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[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

I didn't save the Grissom Academy in one playtrhrough (for the record, not the main one ) but I don't remember Jack turning against me on Cronos Station. Maybe I didn't pay attention.

Either that or it could also take loyalty into account.

[byne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

How do we know they see them? Do they comment on it? Just curious because I have never been in the situation myself.

I can see the problem in it beeing a halucination if your squad comments on them (and still think it is bit of a stretch to think them as halucination) but if they dont comment, they might be seeing a simple Phantom or Cerberus Soldier, where Shepard sees Jack or Legion.

 1:05

They comment at the end.

So I come here after doing some stuff and I find THIS...
What the ffffuuuu...

Did you guys find this in the last days or why is it that I've read everywhere that those Jack soundfiles were from deleted scenes from London?

How much stuff is stated as fact even if it isn't...man. Are there even truly deleted scenes? How about that 'deleted' conversation between Ash and Shep about his death? Is that also actually an Easter egg?

Pretty sure you're confusing that dialogue with this dialogue, which actually was cut.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Never heard they should have been deleted scenes.

Well, so here's me finding out something new about the game 3 months after release. BioWare truly made sure to somehow take into account every unique decision throughout the game, and in case of Legion, even a decision made in ME2.

Any other recent discoveries?

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

Pretty sure you're confusing that dialogue with this dialogue, which actually was cut.

Oh you're right. Thank you for clearing this up! I feel releaved now.
But still cool that you see those three characters pop up in 'creative' ways during ME3.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I didn't save the Grissom Academy in one playtrhrough (for the record, not the main one ) but I don't remember Jack turning against me on Cronos Station. Maybe I didn't pay attention.

Either that or it could also take loyalty into account.

Oh, it was a clean playthrough. She was dead as canon, probably.
 

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juin 2012 - 02:50 .

[UrgentArchengel]

I have to disagree on Jack, Legion, and Morinth being hallucinations. But it can help further break Shep's determination that he is doing the right thing. He made 3 mistakes, and made enemies out of those 3. It's just furthering the destruction of his immense willpower, which the Reapers can exploit.

[paxxton]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I have to disagree on Jack, Legion, and Morinth being hallucinations. But it can help further break Shep's determination that he is doing the right thing. He made 3 mistakes, and made enemies out of those 3. It's just furthering the destruction of his immense willpower, which the Reapers can exploit.

I fully agree. Those are the consequences of his actions. What did he expect? That they would come and thank him with wide smiles on their faces (or happy beeps from Legion).

[Andromidius]

HagarIshay wrote...

@Rifneno

Sorry to jump in there, just wanted to argue The squadmates seem to also see the phantom is Jack. Even if your squadmates can also be in the process of indoctrination, does that mean they will all see the same hallucination?

Its entirely possible they never said that, and Shepard is hearing voices as well.  Voices are much easier to plant then visions, I'm sure, so it could be part of the hallucination - asking for validation as to what you just saw, and getting a positive responce.

Of course, there's zero proof.  But the fact mistakes do seem to come back to bite Shepard in the ass in the weirdest way does seem odd.  It probably wouldn't be considered at all if those three were in any way different to the normal equivilient of their class in any way other then cosmetic.

Edit: Though if Morinth was a super-Banshee, I'd be crying myself to sleep still.  They are bad enough already.

Modifié par Andromidius, 20 juin 2012 - 03:17 .

[paxxton]

Shh, Andromidius, you are disturbing the silence.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[Andromidius]

I agree that its a far-fetched notion, but it would be pretty cool. Was just thinking of what it could work. Considering some of us are considering hallucinations slowly creeping into Shepard's waking moments, it does fit rather well...

[BatmanTurian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

How do we know they see them? Do they comment on it? Just curious because I have never been in the situation myself.

I can see the problem in it beeing a halucination if your squad comments on them (and still think it is bit of a stretch to think them as halucination) but if they dont comment, they might be seeing a simple Phantom or Cerberus Soldier, where Shepard sees Jack or Legion.

 1:05

They comment at the end.

Yeah okay, I doubt they are sharing a halucination.

The Proto-Reaper is right above them still emitting indoctrination frequencies. Though how that would have an effect on EDI is not something I can answer.

[MaximizedAction]

Btw, BW uploaded new wallpapers on masseffect.bioware.com/images/wallpapers/ and the last pic is one that was already posted here in a smaller version by someone else.
The remark by that person was, that it had this stylistic presentation as if Shepard was on the Reapers side:




Another funny thing that got my hopes up too early was that I thought the lights on the Reapers were green. But it's only the sidelight, the other lights are still blue. So close...

But still, the choice for the cover is always Shepard with the Reapers in the background.
It might be because this is now the standard cover for generic FPS games.
On the other hand, we always had at least two of Shep's teammates on the two previous games' covers. But here it's only Shepard, the Reapers and the whole world.

It does make me think...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 20 juin 2012 - 03:32 .

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

I agree that its a far-fetched notion, but it would be pretty cool. Was just thinking of what it could work. Considering some of us are considering hallucinations slowly creeping into Shepard's waking moments, it does fit rather well...

I think it was a real conversation when they all saw Jack. At least it seemed so. Unless the whole mission is one giant hallucination.

Btw, my previous post was a joke.  This thread is usually much more crowded at this hour.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juin 2012 - 03:34 .

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...
I think it was a real conversation when they all saw Jack. At least it seemed so. Unless the whole mission is one giant hallucination.

Yeah, I get you.  I'm in two minds about it, though I mostly agree with it not being a complete hallucination.  Maybe partially.

Earth, on the other hand, Shepard is tripping balls.

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...
I think it was a real conversation when they all saw Jack. At least it seemed so. Unless the whole mission is one giant hallucination.

Yeah, I get you.  I'm in two minds about it, though I mostly agree with it not being a complete hallucination.  Maybe partially.

Earth, on the other hand, Shepard is tripping balls.

Yup, the London mission has many properties of a dream. Like strange reflections of skyscrapers, pieces of paper falling on the ground (similar to the ones from Shepard's dream), rainbows. Although I didn't get the feeling it wasn't real when I first played through it, after reading what was discovered here I think that this might be the case.

Though Cronos Station is fishy too. HellishFiend found an unsecured hull breach and a door leading to open space there. The door is such a big weirdness that it brings to mind the inconsistencies that are usually associated with dreaming.

Also, you can find an even bigger theory by following the link in my post sig. About the whole game being a dream.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Really off topic here, but just wanted a few opinions in case I make a tread about it. Would anyone like to see Bioware/Dark Horse make a Codex Encyclopedia for the ME Universe? It could include Character Bios, Weapon Descriptions, Planet Descriptions, and of course, the infamous Codex.

[llbountyhunter]

If anyone's interested mass effect infiltrator is on sale for 99¢ for Android- as well as gta 3.

Its pretty fun and plays well.

[HellishFiend]

For what it's worth, I think Rifneno might be on to something.

If you put aside the fact that BW may have wanted to use an easy way of sticking them in past the point-of-no-return as a consequence of failing to assist them, why are they put to such trivial use in the context of the story? That is totally out of character for Cerberus. If they were into squandering the potential of their best assets, Kai Leng would have been turned into a generic Phantom and Shepard would have a mind control chip. And who knows what TIM would have done to the likes of people like Miranda with her modified superhuman genes.

In my eyes it looks like Shepard is perceiving missed opportunities to help his friends in the only way he knows how: by picturing them as being reduced to the diminutive peons that we see in Cronos/London.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 20 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[umadcommander]

not a big fan of cronos and earth being a dream, all the weirdness could be shepard starting the indoctrination but not actually fully hallucinating until the citadel part

[paxxton]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Really off topic here, but just wanted a few opinions in case I make a tread about it. Would anyone like to see Bioware/Dark Horse make a Codex Encyclopedia for the ME Universe? It could include Character Bios, Weapon Descriptions, Planet Descriptions, and of course, the infamous Codex.

It could do. Both electronic version (similar to but much more content-rich than the ipad app) and as a high-quality-paper hardcover (maybe even leather) book.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juin 2012 - 04:17 .

[paxxton]

llbountyhunter wrote...

If anyone's interested mass effect infiltrator is on sale for 99¢ for Android- as well as gta 3.

Its pretty fun and plays well.

No Android here, sorry. Waiting for Win Phone 8 (Apollo). Btw, CNet is hosting a live blog from Win Phone 8 event right now. Or you can watch it on Microsoft's website.

http://channel9.msdn...ws-Phone/Summit

Modifié par paxxton, 20 juin 2012 - 04:20 .

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...

It does make me think...

Is it me or does Shep's face look a little busted up?

[HellishFiend]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Oh, interesting, actually....hmmm. Is he really saying that about "you're indoctrinated?" That would be cool, though

I think Bill is implying the subtext there is that Shepard is battling his indoctrination and TIM is not. Also that TIM has been dealing with indoctrination for a lot longer than Shepard. 

TIM isn't there, remember?

Illusive Man: Never question my ability to fight! I've been fighting them longer than you can imagine!

This line is incredibly important as it relates to perspective. If TIM is the side of Shepard's mind that is affected by Indoctrination, think of the implication. Now read is as if Shepard is talking to the player.

Shepard: "I've been fighting them (Indoctrination) longer than you can imagine!"

The conversation Bill was citing takes place with the actual TIM rather than the hallucination TIM, though. 

[HellishFiend]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

It does make me think...

Is it me or does Shep's face look a little busted up?

He does look a little rough around the edges, but that could just be what the full motion video model of manshep looks like when he has his head at that angle. Who knows...

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

It does make me think...

Is it me or does Shep's face look a little busted up?

He does look a little rough around the edges, but that could just be what the full motion video model of manshep looks like when he has his head at that angle. Who knows...

It was linked yesterday by the masseffect twitter account:
"We added a new section for screenshots, wallpaper, and concept art on the website! [...]"

So, that particular pic is probably concept art. It's also the same Shepard from the Twitter acount's background. But one cannot deny, that his eyes also seem a bit reddish. Which of course would fit for a Renegade Shep.

Who's to say that Shepard's red eyes are an entirely different phenomenon than TIM's/Saren's? BioWare made it beautifully subtle and never outright had any character say what the eyes meant (that's also natural for people not to ask). It's only in the Evolution comic that TIM's eyes get the blue shine after he's caught by the Reaper artifact.

Shepard got caught in the Prothean artifact, however got his Toarminataah eyes only after having been rebuilt by Cerberus. So those red eyes (and upside down version's of TIM's) have got to be symbolic for something -- if not for making TIM Shep's literal anatagonist.
It's one of those things that remained unanswered throughout ME3.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 20 juin 2012 - 04:30 .