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[Bill Casey]

The Rogue VI on Luna sent out the message "HELP" in binary code right before Shepard destroyed it...


It was an AI...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 juin 2012 - 02:46 .

[Auralius Carolus]

SMichelle wrote...

As I really don't want to read 939 pages....can someone tell me:  If the ending was a hallucination - how were the reapers destroyed (controlled/vanquished or whatever)?

If the reapers weren't destroyed what's with the old guy telling his grandkid about "The Shepard"?

I believe it was an indoctrination attempt and Shepard's wish fulfillment (with the Normandy and companions escaping to a tropical island etc.)

But if it was a dream - what happened to the reapers?

Bottom line, they're still active. Shepard, based on analysis of the semi-secret "Red" ending, has never gotten up from Harbinger's blast during the rush toward the beam. The old man and the child, the Reapers getting destroyed/controlled/synthed, the Normandy- they're all figments of his mind.

[paxxton]

Bill Casey wrote...

The Rogue VI on Luna sent out the message "HELP" in binary code right before Shepard destroyed it...


It was an AI...

 It was an AI because it sent a message?

[Bill Casey]

It's the nature of the message it sent...

[paxxton]

Who is it calling for help?

[Bill Casey]

Anyone...
It was an act of desperation...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[paxxton]

OK. The VI should have shouted "FIRE!". Better chances someone would have answered the call.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 juin 2012 - 02:58 .

[Andromidius]

Either that or it was programmed to call for help.

Difference between an AI and a very well designed VI can be tricky to tell if you're not an expert.

[Bill Casey]

I thought it was beyond obvious from that message it had achieved sentience...
Apparently, it wasn't as obvious as I thought...

In any event, I didn't expect it to show up again in any capacity...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 juin 2012 - 03:01 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone...
It was an act of desperation...

Yeah that seems like AI behaviour to me.

[Rifneno]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

I personally suspect that EDI, (Luna VI), was more than just a rogue training program. Given the nature of Cerberus, as revealed in ME1, the group quickly turned violent toward the Alliance Navy and began sabotaging equipment and using personel as guineapigs.

It would not surprise me at all if Cerberus found the Luna VI's advanced combat and multitasking processes as desirable, and intentionally made alterations. Once "EDI" had passed her test, the framework was taken and then improved with what could be gathered from Reaper tech.

To me, the question is more along the lines of "how" this would happen in the first place. Before Luna, Cerberus was always ahead of the game; with Luna, they would have to work after the Alliance was aware of a crisis at the training center, unless EDI is a copy.

I don't recall there being anything special about the Luna VI besides malfunctioning. It didn't kill those soldiers because it's incredibly skilled at combat, it killed them because it had ever combat advantage you can think of. The element of surprise, terrain, ect. Soldiers were basically in a glorified shooting range when the computer decided to kill them all for real. They were in what strategists would refer to as a "killing field". They didn't have a chance because of the circumstances, not the enemy skill. Shepard was sent in to take care of it quickly and quietly lest the Council get wind of the Alliance accidentally creating a murderous AI. Which is about the most illegal thing you can do in their eyes. It wasn't because a properly prepared special forces unit couldn't have taken care of it if necessary. In fact if anything the VI seemed pretty stupid. It had one tactic: zerg. There was no impressive strategy, it didn't even attempt to utilize cover for its drones. It just zerged. And if that failed, it'd try zerg again next time. And the next.

This is one argument behind why a certain squad mate of yours comments on a "hum" while in your presence: the Reaper implants developing within Shepard are resonating, turning the Commander into a walking indoctrination device.

I'd like to add, Vega would be especially susceptible to indoctrination if applied with the guilt trip way. He's already tormenting himself over that incident with the Collectors. The Reapers would refer to Vega as "jackpot."

deltacypresss wrote...

Rifneno, I am not a literalist. But trying to link every single inconsistency and bug to IT is just silly. This is a game. I say that to be demeaning, but so people will understand that concessions had to be made.

Most of everything that has been found in cronos station looks more like quirks in game design and not much else. I'm not going to dismiss anything hellish finds off hand or anything like that. I just don't go for "this I'd weird, therefore it mist be a dream/hallucination/Indoctrination.

I'll give you london. I'll need more convincing on cronos.

And I care because? I'm discussing possibilities with the entire community, I'm not trying to convince you personally of anything. I'm not concerned in the least with the personal interpretation of someone I don't even know who starts off with "I say that to be demeaning." You're not a literalist? Doesn't matter much to me. You're exactly as productive as one. You tell us where the line is, then act intendingly condescending toward people for thinking aloud because how dare they even openly consider a viewpoint that differs from yours. This demeaning garbage is what makes people bite their tongue on voicing an idea because some self-centered windbag might start talking down to them for actually thinking and it's just not worth the effort. Frankly the IT community would be better withour your kind.

[Bill Casey]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone...
It was an act of desperation...

Yeah that seems like AI behaviour to me.

A birthing period can be traumatic when the baby has rocket turrets...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 juin 2012 - 03:04 .

[Destructorlio]

Makrys wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

As I really don't want to read 939 pages....can someone tell me:  If the ending was a hallucination - how were the reapers destroyed (controlled/vanquished or whatever)?

If the reapers weren't destroyed what's with the old guy telling his grandkid about "The Shepard"?

I believe it was an indoctrination attempt and Shepard's wish fulfillment (with the Normandy and companions escaping to a tropical island etc.)

But if it was a dream - what happened to the reapers?

That remains to be seen in the EC.

Yeah. IT doesn't really try to define what happens after the breath. We can certainly speculate, but it would be pure conjecture. I personally think you will wake up from the hallucination to find the war ongoing, and the EC will create a new endgame sequence in which they are 'actually' defeated.

[Andromidius]

Lots of things happen at Cronos Station. Some more crazy then others.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to write it all off as a dream/hallucination/illusion. That's a lot of story being panned in one go.

Though honestly, I'd be happy to see much of it removed. Some of it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[SMichelle]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

As I really don't want to read 939 pages....can someone tell me:  If the ending was a hallucination - how were the reapers destroyed (controlled/vanquished or whatever)?

If the reapers weren't destroyed what's with the old guy telling his grandkid about "The Shepard"?

I believe it was an indoctrination attempt and Shepard's wish fulfillment (with the Normandy and companions escaping to a tropical island etc.)

But if it was a dream - what happened to the reapers?

Bottom line, they're still active. Shepard, based on analysis of the semi-secret "Red" ending, has never gotten up from Harbinger's blast during the rush toward the beam. The old man and the child, the Reapers getting destroyed/controlled/synthed, the Normandy- they're all figments of his mind.

I guess this is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  I'm willing to hang my hat on IT, but what then?  The reapers aren't destroyed?  They win?

I guess I just can't make myself believe that BioWare has had such a massive FAIL.  
So the illogical, nonsensical - everyone transports away (including Garrus ) to a tropical paradise and the reapers are destroyed-is a good ending?

I now choose to believe the wish-fulfillment fantas....I mean of course Shepard destroyed the reapers and the Normandy escaped....and (after your 25th playthrough) a cutscene of your LI (Garrus!) is shown rescuing Shepard.!

Modifié par SMichelle, 21 juin 2012 - 03:09 .

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Lots of things happen at Cronos Station. Some more crazy then others.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to write it all off as a dream/hallucination/illusion. That's a lot of story being panned in one go.

Though honestly, I'd be happy to see much of it removed. Some of it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

To clarify my earlier remarks, I don't hold some grudge against anyone for believing CS was all real.  Just with people who act like a condescending ass to those of us that find it suspicious.

[llbountyhunter]

Makrys wrote...

Guys, I have a question for you all. What's your opinion on this...

All this talk about the hallucination possibly starting at Cronos, do you think that the reason the LegendSave file is set right before Cronos is because the EC will completely re-write the ending? I mean, I know Bioware has said 'no new endings', but they've said a lot of things. Is it possible that we will get to replay the whole end of the game, and most everything be different? If not, then whats the purpose of the LegendSave being set where it is?

Curious. Just thought I'd throw this in and see what you guys think. Thoughts?

while I dont think the hallucination started at cronos, someone said that the "endings" might not be the choices, but rather the stargazer with kid at the end....

so.. bioware can change anything before that without altering the "endings" in anyway. 

[Bill Casey]

SMichelle wrote...

I guess this is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  I'm willing to hang my hat on IT, but what then?  The reapers aren't destroyed?  They win?

"Tell me another story about the Shepard"
"Alright. One more story."

[llbountyhunter]

SMichelle wrote...



I guess this is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  I'm willing to hang my hat on IT, but what then?  The reapers aren't destroyed?  They win?

I guess I just can't make myself believe that BioWare has had such a massive FAIL.  
So the illogical, nonsensical - everyone transports away (including Garrus ) to a tropical paradise and the reapers are destroyed-is a good ending?

I now choose to believe the wish-fulfillment fantas....I mean of course Shepard destroyed the reapers and the Normandy escaped....and (after your 25th playthrough) a cutscene of your LI (Garrus!) is shown rescuing Shepard.!

I think IT was used to buy bioware more time... 

I answered some other questions here.

[Rifneno]

SMichelle wrote...

I guess this is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  I'm willing to hang my hat on IT, but what then?  The reapers aren't destroyed?  They win?

I guess I just can't make myself believe that BioWare has had such a massive FAIL.  
So the illogical, nonsensical - everyone transports away (including Garrus ) to a tropical paradise and the reapers are destroyed-is a good ending?

I now choose to believe the wish-fulfillment fantas....I mean of course Shepard destroyed the reapers and the Normandy escaped....and (after your 25th playthrough) a cutscene of your LI (Garrus!) is shown rescuing Shepard.!

Agreed, the Reapers not being stopped would be an epic fail.  Most of us are of the opinion that EC will end with the Reapers defeated for real.  BW asked for a 6 month extention and they got 3, the common theory is that it was a compromise: 3 more months and end it at the indoctrination dream then finish up and release the rest as EC.

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

I guess this is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  I'm willing to hang my hat on IT, but what then?  The reapers aren't destroyed?  They win?

"Tell me another story about the Shepard"
"Alright. One more story."

When I first heard this I thought: "We're not done here yet. Shepard has one more story!"

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

When I first heard this I thought: "We're not done here yet. Shepard has one more story!"

When I first heard it, I thought: "My God, that man is the worst voice actor in the history of sound!"

[FellishBeast]

Rifneno wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

I guess this is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  I'm willing to hang my hat on IT, but what then?  The reapers aren't destroyed?  They win?

I guess I just can't make myself believe that BioWare has had such a massive FAIL.  
So the illogical, nonsensical - everyone transports away (including Garrus ) to a tropical paradise and the reapers are destroyed-is a good ending?

I now choose to believe the wish-fulfillment fantas....I mean of course Shepard destroyed the reapers and the Normandy escaped....and (after your 25th playthrough) a cutscene of your LI (Garrus!) is shown rescuing Shepard.!

Agreed, the Reapers not being stopped would be an epic fail.  Most of us are of the opinion that EC will end with the Reapers defeated for real.  BW asked for a 6 month extention and they got 3, the common theory is that it was a compromise: 3 more months and end it at the indoctrination dream then finish up and release the rest as EC.

I'm really hoping this is the case.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

When I first heard this I thought: "We're not done here yet. Shepard has one more story!"

When I first heard it, I thought: "My God, that man is the worst voice actor in the history of sound!"

That's because you are a negative person

Edit: Isn't that Buzz Aldrin anyway? He's not a voice actor.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 21 juin 2012 - 03:22 .

[Auralius Carolus]

SMichelle wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

As I really don't want to read 939 pages....can someone tell me:  If the ending was a hallucination - how were the reapers destroyed (controlled/vanquished or whatever)?

If the reapers weren't destroyed what's with the old guy telling his grandkid about "The Shepard"?

I believe it was an indoctrination attempt and Shepard's wish fulfillment (with the Normandy and companions escaping to a tropical island etc.)

But if it was a dream - what happened to the reapers?

Bottom line, they're still active. Shepard, based on analysis of the semi-secret "Red" ending, has never gotten up from Harbinger's blast during the rush toward the beam. The old man and the child, the Reapers getting destroyed/controlled/synthed, the Normandy- they're all figments of his mind.

I guess this is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  I'm willing to hang my hat on IT, but what then?  The reapers aren't destroyed?  They win?

I guess I just can't make myself believe that BioWare has had such a massive FAIL.  
So the illogical, nonsensical - everyone transports away (including Garrus ) to a tropical paradise and the reapers are destroyed-is a good ending?

I now choose to believe the wish-fulfillment fantas....I mean of course Shepard destroyed the reapers and the Normandy escaped....and (after your 25th playthrough) a cutscene of your LI (Garrus!) is shown rescuing Shepard.!

Tali>Garrus *cough* Just saying. Although I serious want an ingame moment where male Shep can tease him about his sister.

But as to the "suckage" of the ending, if we're right, we haven't seen the ending of the game yet. Exactly what is going to happen to the Reapers is unknown, but if the secrect ending from Arrival has any hints, TIM may be involved.