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[HellishFiend]

 Video is coming along nicely. Still have a lot of footage to record, so that is going to add extra time to my work, unfortunately. First 90 seconds of the video are more or less done though, and it's looking good, so I'm hoping it's gonna be a hit. :happy:

Have I missed anything today?

[Destructorlio]

Rifneno wrote...

To clarify my earlier remarks, I don't hold some grudge against anyone for believing CS was all real.  Just with people who act like a condescending ass to those of us that find it suspicious.

That's fair enough. It's certainly worth considering- hell, I have considered it, I just didn't find the evidence compelling the way I find the post-beam evidence compelling.

But the 'final goodbye' scenes with your crew were so touching, so well done... I'd be hesitant to embrace any theory that denied the reality of them.

TJBartlemus wrote...

So BioWare said they aren't changing the endings...so what if all this time they were making a 4th choice? What would you want for that choice that hasn't been given before? (Like destroy synthesis or control) Personally I would want a choice where Shepard looks at the beam, sees that it is a trap, and decides to leave.

If that was a cooler ending than IT, sure I'd want that. But, uh... it isn't, so I don't.

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

 Video is coming along nicely. Still have a lot of footage to record, so that is going to add extra time to my work, unfortunately. First 90 seconds of the video are more or less done though, and it's looking good, so I'm hoping it's gonna be a hit. :happy:

Have I missed anything today?

Hmm, some lurkers came out of the closet, the occational passers-by, some loose speculation about indoctrination's effect by the time of the Cronos Station run.

Speaking of which, for the heart of Cerberus's operations and named after one of the Titan Patriarchs, Cronos Station was kinda pathetic.

[Arashi08]

I brought this up before but it got lost among far more interesting posts, but does it not seem odd that the beam fired by the Crucible in pretty much every ending, seems to kind of "open up" as the Normandy tried to fly away from it? Almost like it was trying to eat the ship?

And of course the big question of why Joker didn't just TURN the ship rather than keep flying forward in a hope to outrun the beam of pure energy blazing towards him...

[HellishFiend]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

 Video is coming along nicely. Still have a lot of footage to record, so that is going to add extra time to my work, unfortunately. First 90 seconds of the video are more or less done though, and it's looking good, so I'm hoping it's gonna be a hit. :happy:

Have I missed anything today?

Hmm, some lurkers came out of the closet, the occational passers-by, some loose speculation about indoctrination's effect by the time of the Cronos Station run.

Speaking of which, for the heart of Cerberus's operations and named after one of the Titan Patriarchs, Cronos Station was kinda pathetic.

Yeah, I'm heavily leaning towards Cronos station being partially hallucinated. Maybe as much as 50% real 50% hallucinated. Far too many weird things happen there. 

[LazyTechGuy]

Hmmm, good question. I did notice but I've never said anything. It is a little odd. At first I thought it was breaking up because it was losing strength, but that's not it. I don't know why, actually.

[HellishFiend]

Arashi08 wrote...

I brought this up before but it got lost among far more interesting posts, but does it not seem odd that the beam fired by the Crucible in pretty much every ending, seems to kind of "open up" as the Normandy tried to fly away from it? Almost like it was trying to eat the ship?

And of course the big question of why Joker didn't just TURN the ship rather than keep flying forward in a hope to outrun the beam of pure energy blazing towards him...

Well, I think we're supposed to assume that the Normandy is in the middle of a relay jump when that happens, which doesnt even make sense, because I'm under the impression that ships cant weave around the way they do while in a jump. But they certainly wouldnt be able to turn, thats for sure. Relay jumps are point A to point B. 

But yeah, it does look like it opens up to swallow it. Havent thought about it much though since I was convinced that was a hallucination/dream ever since I first got into IT. 

[Destructorlio]

Arashi08 wrote...

I brought this up before but it got lost among far more interesting posts, but does it not seem odd that the beam fired by the Crucible in pretty much every ending, seems to kind of "open up" as the Normandy tried to fly away from it? Almost like it was trying to eat the ship?

And of course the big question of why Joker didn't just TURN the ship rather than keep flying forward in a hope to outrun the beam of pure energy blazing towards him...

Well one of the big positives of Indoctrination Theory is that it postulates that entire scene did not happen- hooray!

[Lokanaiya]

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

Edit: Also, if Cronos station was either a total hallucination or just partly one, it would explain why no one else noticed Kai Leng after he was defeated while he was sneaking up on Shepard in the chair.

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 21 juin 2012 - 05:28 .

[deltacypresss]

Not being able to quote or edit a post on an iPhone sucks. Just going to apologize for my last post since something I typed came out terribly wrong but I could not fix it. And I'm prolly not going to post again till I get Internet on my computer.

Hellish, this the one on cronos? Believe it or not i Aactually look forward to it.

[HellishFiend]

deltacypresss wrote...

Not being able to quote or edit a post on an iPhone sucks. Just going to apologize for my last post since something I typed came out terribly wrong but I could not fix it. And I'm prolly not going to post again till I get Internet on my computer.

Hellish, this the one on cronos? Believe it or not i Aactually look forward to it.

Nope, I'm doing something that I think is going to be far more interesting and fun to watch than Cronos.  Cronos may be next after this one if I still have time before EC. 

[HellishFiend]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

I always thought it was just for forced character development. Her character is actually quite vital to the overarching themes, and without her mandatory presence on Cronos, it's possible to go most of the game without talking to her or allowing her character to develop. 

[LazyTechGuy]

This is EDI. See, she can do things. Give her credit! Credit!

[Starbuck8]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

Edit: Also, if Cronos station was either a total hallucination or just partly one, it would explain why no one else noticed Kai Leng after he was defeated while he was sneaking up on Shepard in the chair.

Maybe she really was compromised in some way by Eva. She's something like a cylon sleeper agent and helps capture Shepard while on Chronos. That's why things get weird during and after Chronos. EDI hooked Shepard up to a VR tube.

Ok I don't really believe that, but hey a girl can speculate, right?

[TJBartlemus]

Destructorlio wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

So BioWare said they aren't changing the endings...so what if all this time they were making a 4th choice? What would you want for that choice that hasn't been given before? (Like destroy synthesis or control) Personally I would want a choice where Shepard looks at the beam, sees that it is a trap, and decides to leave.

If that was a cooler ending than IT, sure I'd want that. But, uh... it isn't, so I don't.

Let me add to my 4th choice...Shepard would then join the Normandy, fire a laser from the Thanix cannon into Harbinger which would kill him and the Reapers would be useless. When the Reapers are gone they fly to the ending planet, grab a beer, sit in a beach chair w/ his friends and LI.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 21 juin 2012 - 05:45 .

[TJBartlemus]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

Edit: Also, if Cronos station was either a total hallucination or just partly one, it would explain why no one else noticed Kai Leng after he was defeated while he was sneaking up on Shepard in the chair.

Well we are probably stuck with her because if any of it is true then that was where "EDI" was effectively made. So it would make sense to have her cause it's an origin story of sorts w/ getting the VI. Why they didn't see Kai was that there seemed that there was no way that he was still alive after Shepard was done with him. And if he was dead that would have not left the scene for the kick ass kill.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 21 juin 2012 - 05:51 .

[LT123]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

Edit: Also, if Cronos station was either a total hallucination or just partly one, it would explain why no one else noticed Kai Leng after he was defeated while he was sneaking up on Shepard in the chair.

Probably just an reason to use EDI. It was the only time I brought her on a mission.

I lean toward the hallucination or dream sequence not starting until after the beam hits Shepard, because a) that's when all the weirdest stuff happens and if it starts before that, that means that the "That was for Thane!" omniblade stabbity-stabbity moment didn't really happen and/or the squadmate goodbyes didn't happen.
And no one wants that.

[Rosewind]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

Edit: Also, if Cronos station was either a total hallucination or just partly one, it would explain why no one else noticed Kai Leng after he was defeated while he was sneaking up on Shepard in the chair.

Or the fact he is a trained assasin has nothing to do with him being able to sneak up, they wher all facing away from him.

[TJBartlemus]

LT123 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

Edit: Also, if Cronos station was either a total hallucination or just partly one, it would explain why no one else noticed Kai Leng after he was defeated while he was sneaking up on Shepard in the chair.

Probably just an reason to use EDI. It was the only time I brought her on a mission.

I lean toward the hallucination or dream sequence not starting until after the beam hits Shepard, because a) that's when all the weirdest stuff happens and if it starts before that, that means that the "That was for Thane!" omniblade stabbity-stabbity moment didn't really happen and/or the squadmate goodbyes didn't happen.
And no one wants that.

Yeah, I feel that the closer he got to the end, the more his mind seems to degrade. This could be several reasons like the indoctrination is slowly manifesting the entire time and getting stronger, or that the beam also doubled as an indoctrination device and the closer he got the stronger the effects were. It also could be a combination of both...

This is the main point of my Waking Nightmare Theory...(a support to IT)

[BansheeOwnage]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another thing about Cronos Station I found odd, why were we forced to bring EDI along? It's one thing for Liara on Thessia and Eden Prime and Tali for Rannoch, both characters are directly related and important to those missions, but EDI being mandatory for Cronos is kind of weird. And the airlock thing at the beginning where EDI was required to stop it seemed kind of like a hamfisted attempt to show why you needed to bring her, not necessary at all. Just another odd thing to think about.

....And that probably makes no sense since I am exhausted and not thinking straight.

Edit: Also, if Cronos station was either a total hallucination or just partly one, it would explain why no one else noticed Kai Leng after he was defeated while he was sneaking up on Shepard in the chair.

Maybe she really was compromised in some way by Eva. She's something like a cylon sleeper agent and helps capture Shepard while on Chronos. That's why things get weird during and after Chronos. EDI hooked Shepard up to a VR tube.

Ok I don't really believe that, but hey a girl can speculate, right?

Well she is a cylon... Anyway I think she was mandatory because of TIM's point about control. (She chose to dominate Eva's body instead of destroying it.

See you guys tomorrow.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 21 juin 2012 - 06:06 .

[Ageless Face]

Okay, sorry I'm pestering you with questions, but I have another one.

We hear Dr.Kenson in Arrival talk about doubts. maybe what they are doing is wrong, they don't know the reapers, the reapers might be right. The talk of someone in the process of indoctrination.

Someone told me a while ago the in the end, when Shepard is talking with the squadmates, s/he seem to have doubts whether they will win.Yet I never heard Shepard saying that maybe the reapers are right or something.

So, are those doubts of "will we win the war?" are enough to say indoctrination is there?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 21 juin 2012 - 06:18 .

[Destructorlio]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

So BioWare said they aren't changing the endings...so what if all this time they were making a 4th choice? What would you want for that choice that hasn't been given before? (Like destroy synthesis or control) Personally I would want a choice where Shepard looks at the beam, sees that it is a trap, and decides to leave.

If that was a cooler ending than IT, sure I'd want that. But, uh... it isn't, so I don't.

Let me add to my 4th choice...Shepard would then join the Normandy, fire a laser from the Thanix cannon into Harbinger which would kill him and the Reapers would be useless. When the Reapers are gone they fly to the ending planet, grab a beer, sit in a beach chair w/ his friends and LI.

That does sound cool. But IT, if it's true, will be one of the coolest, most-mind-blowingly-awesome things in the history of gaming, and creative literature, EVER. EV. ER. Like, it's going to be BIG. 'A Better Ending' is not good enough anymore. 'Fixing the ending' is not good enough anymore. The beauty of IT is that it makes the EXISTING ending awesome, and then opens up the field for heaps more awesome stuff to happen! I literally can't think of a better ending.

I wouldn't trade it for the world.

[WolfyZA]

Last Night I was browsing on Youtube looking at The IT forthe billionth time when I cam across this "beings of light theory" WTF?!?!?! Had to be the biggest hunk of junk i've ever seen... Sore the ME1 Lore mentions it but the guy failed to explain why Shepard still lived in the Destroy ending.. The noob.

[Destructorlio]

IT really is the only theory that explains absolutely everything. It has no holes. Every other theory does. Ergo...

[boeloe]

HagarIshay wrote...

Okay, sorry I'm pestering you with questions, but I have another one.

We hear Dr.Kenson in Arrival talk about doubts. maybe what they are doing is wrong, they don't know the reapers, the reapers might be right. The talk of someone in the process of indoctrination.

Someone told me a while ago the in the end, when Shepard is talking with the squadmates, s/he seem to have doubts whether they will win.Yet I never heard Shepard saying that maybe the reapers are right or something.

So, are those doubts of "will we win the war?" are enough to say indoctrination is there?

I don't think doubts about odds of succes are really a sign of indoctrination. I mean the reapers are crazy powerful machines who been at it for over a billion years, countless cycles. Having doubts about your odds of succes is just being realistic and it doesn't change your point of view regarding what must happen to the reapers. So, no.