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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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boeloe wrote...

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Lol I swear they made the ending purposely so that we'd have been playing for hours, unable to stop, into the early morning hours, perfect targets for indoctrination. :P


Right. And the weird thing was that I couldn't sleep afterwards, I kept thinking "Wait, what just happened?"

To be fair, Garrus did warn us after Priority:Tuchanka that we'd need a clear head to win the war.


Lol I know! I kept thinking about all of Shep's friends and squad mates. Some of them stranded on that planet... wth
Man that game can really get to you.

If we had taken Garrus' advice and took a nap before finishing the game, would we have dreamed about the ghost child? :mellow:

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Starbuck8 wrote...

If we had taken Garrus' advice and took a nap before finishing the game, would we have dreamed about the ghost child? :mellow:


:blink: Then I would have to check for Harbinger under my bed everytime I go to sleep.

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boeloe wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

If we had taken Garrus' advice and took a nap before finishing the game, would we have dreamed about the ghost child? :mellow:


:blink: Then I would have to check for Harbinger under my bed everytime I go to sleep.


:mellow:
And on that note, I'm off to bed...
*checks under bed for glowy yellow eyes*

haha nite -_-

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boeloe wrote...

Right. And the weird thing was that I couldn't sleep afterwards, I kept thinking "Wait, what just happened?"

To be fair, Garrus did warn us after Priority:Tuchanka that we'd need a clear head to win the war.

Is there a single bit of dialogue that doesn't start to foreshadow the end in some way? :lol:

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TSA_383 wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Right. And the weird thing was that I couldn't sleep afterwards, I kept thinking "Wait, what just happened?"

To be fair, Garrus did warn us after Priority:Tuchanka that we'd need a clear head to win the war.

Is there a single bit of dialogue that doesn't start to foreshadow the end in some way? :lol:


"I was born in London" -- that's youalreadytoldmethat-shadowing.

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Did I miss something in the last 24 hours?
Also, I had a dream featuring Slenderman tonight. o.O Not cool man, not cool.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did I miss something in the last 24 hours?
Also, I had a dream featuring Slenderman tonight. o.O Not cool man, not cool.


Don't think you missed anything too important, although Operation Savage is this weekend for MP. Gettin' geared to down 7 mil trooper class enemies, shouldn't be too hard.

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Rifneno wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Ok, I know that this is neither exciting nor impressive to anybody but me...but I just soloed Bronze in MP!!


Congrats!  That first solo is always a great feeling.  And it is an accomplishment, despite the MP forums being full of threads about soloing gold with an eagle.

I've still not done that, so bravo! :lol:

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Lots of things happen at Cronos Station. Some more crazy then others.

I
don't blame anyone for not wanting to write it all off as a
dream/hallucination/illusion. That's a lot of story being panned in one
go.

Though honestly, I'd be happy to see much of it removed. Some of it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


To
clarify my earlier remarks, I don't hold some grudge against anyone for
believing CS was all real.  Just with people who act like a
condescending ass to those of us that find it suspicious.


Does it have to be 100% one way or the other?
The way I see it, Cronos probably happened in some form, but by that point your grip on reality is collapsing fast, and so everything you see should be taken with a pinch of salt...

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Melancholic wrote...

So, I just completed a full playthrough of the trilogy for my 60 year old mother
(she's really into Garrus). She went into the ME3 ending blind, with
absolutely no idea what to expect. We picked destroy with high EMS.
Afterwards she said she believes everything after Harbinger's beam was a
dream. I did not have to explain the indoctrination theory. It seemed
obvious to her in a "duh" kind of way.

Such a conclusion coming from a completely unbiased person gave me a lot of hope.


Ha, that is awesome. I wish I could get my parents to play games.

Anyway, yep that is what my friend thought on his first playthrough without hearing anything about IDT.


That IS awesome [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

It seems pretty obvious really, at least if you're not indoctrinated ;)

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did I miss something in the last 24 hours?
Also, I had a dream featuring Slenderman tonight. o.O Not cool man, not cool.


Don't think you missed anything too important, although Operation Savage is this weekend for MP. Gettin' geared to down 7 mil trooper class enemies, shouldn't be too hard.




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Lex0r man you get me everytime with those posters, I'm laughin' my face numb over here XD

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Holy ****. There i go on holidays once and this thread grows from 750 to 946.

I know it's a lot to ask but was there anything major that happened in the last week?

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ivenoidea wrote...

Holy ****. There i go on holidays once and this thread grows from 750 to 946.

I know it's a lot to ask but was there anything major that happened in the last week?


There was this video put together by HellishFiend about infrasonics and sound if you missed it. Aside from that, can't really remember anything incredibley important. Well aside from the usual debate of evidence and such. Anyone else with a better memory feel free to correct me as I have no clue.

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I recall a very interesting post, about a big foreshadowing in ME1, when Anderson says something like "we don't know what else is in the prothean archives on Mars, maybe blueprints for a weapon of mass destruction".

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I recall a very interesting post, about a big foreshadowing in ME1, when Anderson says something like "we don't know what else is in the prothean archives on Mars, maybe blueprints for a weapon of mass destruction".


Thought that was about the Prothean beacon/vision. But it's been awhile since I played 1  could be mistaken.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I recall a very interesting post, about a big foreshadowing in ME1, when Anderson says something like "we don't know what else is in the prothean archives on Mars, maybe blueprints for a weapon of mass destruction".


Actually he was speaking of the Prothean beacon, not the Archives on Mars in that regard.

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Oh.. my bad. Still interesting though.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Lex0r man you get me everytime with those posters, I'm laughin' my face numb over here XD


He makes me so proud. :crying:

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Curious, but when listening to Das Malefitz for the first time and many other times, did anyone feel like it sounded very twilight zoneish/x-filey, or just mindtwisty and mysterious? It didn't quite feel entirely like... an uplifting end song so much as just mysterious and strange. While M4 Part II did, so why didn't they just use that for the ending song as a throwback? I found that weird, but I'm probably reaching.

Modifié par Asef Dimakiir, 21 juin 2012 - 10:52 .


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Asef Dimakiir wrote...

Curious, but when listening to Das Malefitz for the first time and many other times, did anyone feel like it sounded very twilight zoneish/x-filey, or just mindtwisty and mysterious? It didn't quite feel entirely like... an uplifting end song so much as just mysterious and strange. While M4 Part II did, so why didn't they just use that for the ending song as a throwback? I found that weird, but I'm probably reaching.


I do know that I thought the song was very unfitting for the end of a trilogy. I actually knew it was going to play after the game before I had played it myself, and already I was thinking "glad Faunts is back, but why no vocals? Why a lame ambient song?"

But I guess a triumphant, epic song like M4 would have been even more unfitting after the ending we got...:(

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WolfyZA wrote...

Last Night I was browsing on Youtube looking at The IT forthe billionth time when I cam across this "beings of light theory" WTF?!?!?! Had to be the biggest hunk of junk i've ever seen... Sore the ME1 Lore mentions it but the guy failed to explain why Shepard still lived in the Destroy ending.. The noob.


It makes me lol that the literalists think Klencory supports their side. Attention literalists: The reason that sounds like what Shepard sees is because pudgy little bastard was indoctrinated. Duh.

snfonseka wrote...

But the important question is, will BW embrace the IT?


Warning: Witcher 2 spoilers to follow. Do not read if you haven't played it yet but intend to.

I would imagine so since that was their intent to begin with. And I must comment on your sig. Witcher 2, where your choices matter. How is it then that things work out pretty much the same no matter what? You fight Saskia in the end regardless of drastically different relationships to her, the Romans always invade, the Order of the Flaming Hitlers always goes Vlad the Impaler with an unhealthy side helping of rape, Triss is fine even if you totally abandon her... The few choices you do get are almost certainly purely cosmetic because things like Henselt's life or who rules the Pontar means almost nothing when the Rom--sorry, the "Nilfgaardians" are swarming like darkspawn during a blight. Don't believe me? Ask yourself how much the choice to save Princess Adda in Witcher 2 mattered when a major part of the next game was the Temerian nobility bickering over who gets the throne that would default to her without question if the story was written on the guarantee she be alive. Instead they just handwave her entire existence. She doesn't even appear with King Douchebag of Redania.

Don't get me wrong. Witcher 2 was an excellent game, as was 1. But don't tell me our choices actually make a difference there and not in ME. That's crap.

End spoilers.

FellishBeast wrote...

I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts about the conversation with the Reaper on Rannoch, because what it says matches up with what Starbinger says at the end of the game. I think we can be pretty sure that Rannoch was not a hallucination, so does that mean that Reaper was lying and planting the idea into Shepard's mind for later, or was what it said true?

I hope what I'm saying makes sense; I'm about to go to sleep x]


There's a weird screen pulse effect seen only there that's got no good (legitimate) reason for being there. The Reaper also talked about synthetics and organics not being able to co-exist while Tali and Legion stand by and don't say a word. Tali and Legion don't have anything to add to that topic? I call shenanigans. No, we definitely cannot be pretty sure the Rannoch conversation wasn't in Shepard's head.

MaximizedAction wrote...

that's youalreadytoldmethat-shadowing.


Have I ever told you I was born in London?

TSA_383 wrote...

Does it have to be 100% one way or the other?
The way I see it, Cronos probably happened in some form, but by that point your grip on reality is collapsing fast, and so everything you see should be taken with a pinch of salt...


'course not. Personally I'm not a fan of the "waking nightmare" theory but it's certainly a valid one. :)

ivenoidea wrote...

Holy ****. There i go on holidays once and this thread grows from 750 to 946.

I know it's a lot to ask but was there anything major that happened in the last week?


Nothing major. HellishFiend became a legend by ending the literalist threat.

... Did you know I was born in London?

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Rifneno wrote...

... Did you know I was born in London?


Anderson: I was born in London, you know.
Shepard: ...yeah you already said that.
Anderson: That's in England, you know.
Shepard: ...thanks Captain Obvious.. I mean Anderson

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Asef Dimakiir wrote...

Curious, but when listening to Das Malefitz for the first time and many other times, did anyone feel like it sounded very twilight zoneish/x-filey, or just mindtwisty and mysterious? It didn't quite feel entirely like... an uplifting end song so much as just mysterious and strange. While M4 Part II did, so why didn't they just use that for the ending song as a throwback? I found that weird, but I'm probably reaching.


I do know that I thought the song was very unfitting for the end of a trilogy. I actually knew it was going to play after the game before I had played it myself, and already I was thinking "glad Faunts is back, but why no vocals? Why a lame ambient song?"

But I guess a triumphant, epic song like M4 would have been even more unfitting after the ending we got...:(


To be fair, I liked the song alot -- its an AWESOME song. It just has odd placement. Now if it's a mindtwist sort of situation like the indoctrination theory -- an ambient song to give the player a mysterious 'off' feeling on what just happened. Then it -definitely- works. It'd be perfect in fact.

Again, it feels very... twilight-zonish almost. Makes me wonder what really just happened. Good ambient songs that are trying to invoke a specific feeling can often do that.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

... Did you know I was born in London?


Anderson: I was born in London, you know.
Shepard: ...yeah you already said that.
Anderson: That's in England, you know.
Shepard: ...thanks Captain Obvious.. I mean Anderson


That's Admiral to you, Shepard.
And I didn't give you permission to go all formal on me.
By the way, have I ever told you I was born in London?

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Asef Dimakiir wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Asef Dimakiir wrote...

Curious, but when listening to Das Malefitz for the first time and many other times, did anyone feel like it sounded very twilight zoneish/x-filey, or just mindtwisty and mysterious? It didn't quite feel entirely like... an uplifting end song so much as just mysterious and strange. While M4 Part II did, so why didn't they just use that for the ending song as a throwback? I found that weird, but I'm probably reaching.


I do know that I thought the song was very unfitting for the end of a trilogy. I actually knew it was going to play after the game before I had played it myself, and already I was thinking "glad Faunts is back, but why no vocals? Why a lame ambient song?"

But I guess a triumphant, epic song like M4 would have been even more unfitting after the ending we got...:(


To be fair, I liked the song alot -- its an AWESOME song. It just has odd placement. Now if it's a mindtwist sort of situation like the indoctrination theory -- an ambient song to give the player a mysterious 'off' feeling on what just happened. Then it -definitely- works. It'd be perfect in fact.

Again, it feels very... twilight-zonish almost. Makes me wonder what really just happened. Good ambient songs that are trying to invoke a specific feeling can often do that.


I agree with all of you!

To me the song did fit in that mystery that was set up in those last 5min. Since I've watched movies like Quiet Earth, I have seen odd endings, so nothing world crushing for me, but the song fit to the mood.

But interestingly, now in resprospect, while watching the credits for the first time (of course w/o knowing anything about IT), I felt this feeling of idling, sitting there, watching the names flicking in front of me, but not feeling The End like in ME1 -- and that one didn't even set up any ending to the franchise.
In ME3, the ending of the Shepard story arc, where I expected some sort of Ewok party before credits roll, in my head I sat there as if I was waiting for something.

Who knew...

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ivenoidea wrote...

Holy ****. There i go on holidays once and this thread grows from 750 to 946.

I know it's a lot to ask but was there anything major that happened in the last week?


Infrasound starting from page 770 for about 120 pages ;)
Asides that, not a lot really :lol:

Also, is it just me or does anderson have about the least convincing london accent ever?
As someone who lived in london for 12 years I find it deeply unconvincing :P

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