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[FellishBeast]

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Basically everything remotely important we say ends up on the "indoctrinated" reddit somehow

They bring up some awesome stuff though, like this:

http://youtu.be/ItxB36uRrYo?t=8m8s
SPECULATIONS!

Hmmm...I wonder why I've never looked at TIM's tattle about the Citadel from another direction:
What if he did run off, but did manage to control them? Though, of course, it's still astronomically unlikely, since every cycle must've had a Cerberus who tried and failed. But then, many cycle must've had a Shepard, too, who we are told to have a chance.

Something being astronomically unlikely, does not mean it's entirely impossible. To that extend, TIM still having control over something, would help explain the weirdness that surrounds the Cronos Station mission. London I can write off to the Reapers, but Cronos? Not really.

Interesting idea, that Cerberus might still be very fit and alive. At least TIM seemed that way in his last (sane) conversation before the Leng fight.

As a closing thought for fun: what if the last two missions have been a test, but not from the Catalyst, but from Cerberus? What if Shepard's defeat of Kai Leng was TIM looking into the option of replacing his Number Once with Shepard? After all, he says in TSA's link, that he doesn't see Shepard as a total loss yet.

Interesting. I believe some pages back people were discussing TIM's room, and how the star outside it was just a projection or something like that? And that the room itself could become virtual reality and that based on the outside of it, it looks totally mobile.

I'm sure I'm butchering their speculations, but it was something along those lines. Anyone remember?

[clennon8]

@Fellish: It's too bad, because all the symbolism fits. The Crucible truly lives up to its name in that scenario. And as trite as it might seem to have Shepard be the Catalyst, it's apropos. Shepard is the one who has propelled things forward, made things happen.

[FellishBeast]

clennon8 wrote...

@Fellish: It's too bad, because all the symbolism fits. The Crucible truly lives up to its name in that scenario. And as trite as it might seem to have Shepard be the Catalyst, it's apropos. Shepard is the one who has propelled things forward, made things happen.

And hasn't been altered in the process. Even when he was catalyzing Cerberus, he stayed true to himself. Shepard's character hasn't really changed at all throughout any of the games, has it? I know that's grasping, but I just wanted to make the analogy fit 

[FellishBeast]

magnetite wrote...

img804.imageshack.us/img804/1329/harbingerkid.jpg

This image may be photoshopped, but I think it's fair to say the Catalyst is not a child like some people think he is (call him Starbrat, etc). Catalyst is a Reaper posing as a child to mess with Shepard's head. Possibly Harbinger as this image hints.

I think it's very important that we confirm whether or not that has been photoshopped. I'm almost certain it has been, or else IT would have been proven correct when someone found this image, based on its name ._.

Edit: Yup, it looks like it's fake.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 21 juin 2012 - 11:28 .

[MegumiAzusa]

magnetite wrote...

img804.imageshack.us/img804/1329/harbingerkid.jpg

This image may be photoshopped, but I think it's fair to say the Catalyst is not a child like some people think he is (call him Starbrat, etc). Catalyst is a Reaper posing as a child to mess with Shepard's head. Possibly Harbinger as this image hints.

It's either from a leaked alpha/beta or shopped, in the game files it's called Guardian instead of Harbinger.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, Bolvar's indoctrinated been corrupted by the Lich King. I figure it was just Ner'zhul's spirit in the form of Terenas tricking Tirion into letting him continue doing his Lich King thing.

The whole 'Arthas returning to himself and having a heartfelt chat with his father' thing right before he died seemed a bit odd, considering there was an entire questline in Icecrown devoted entirely to pointing out theres literally nothing left of Arthas inside the Lich King anymore.

Indeed.  Though...

Hmm.  Destroying his avatar to gain access to a more powerful one?  Maybe.  Perhaps the Lich King wanted Tyrion, not Bolvar.  Remember how he freezes him, rather then attempt to kill him?

Would seem to be a waste of resources though.  And it would bank on Tyrion managing to escape at the right moment.  Unless of course that wasn't the plan, and the Lich King wanted all of them - merely making do with survival by posing as Terenas?  Though the destruction of Frostmourne...

Not to mention there's no mention of what the effects of Yogg Saron are on the Lich King, considering his citadel is basically build from the blood of the Old Gods.  And that there's a bunch of Faceless Ones living underneith it.  Was never brought up again either.  Weird.

Sigh, plot hooks or plot holes?  Its impossible to tell with Blizzard.

And we really should get back on the topic of IT.  Or something.

[FellishBeast]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, Bolvar's indoctrinated been corrupted by the Lich King. I figure it was just Ner'zhul's spirit in the form of Terenas tricking Tirion into letting him continue doing his Lich King thing.

The whole 'Arthas returning to himself and having a heartfelt chat with his father' thing right before he died seemed a bit odd, considering there was an entire questline in Icecrown devoted entirely to pointing out theres literally nothing left of Arthas inside the Lich King anymore.

Indeed.  Though...

Hmm.  Destroying his avatar to gain access to a more powerful one?  Maybe.  Perhaps the Lich King wanted Tyrion, not Bolvar.  Remember how he freezes him, rather then attempt to kill him?

Would seem to be a waste of resources though.  And it would bank on Tyrion managing to escape at the right moment.  Unless of course that wasn't the plan, and the Lich King wanted all of them - merely making do with survival by posing as Terenas?  Though the destruction of Frostmourne...

Not to mention there's no mention of what the effects of Yogg Saron are on the Lich King, considering his citadel is basically build from the blood of the Old Gods.  And that there's a bunch of Faceless Ones living underneith it.  Was never brought up again either.  Weird.

Sigh, plot hooks or plot holes?  Its impossible to tell with Blizzard.

And we really should get back on the topic of IT.  Or something.

I love the Warcraft lore. 

If you're gonna talk about it on this thread, though, it has to be Old Gods. That is the only rule. 

[Salient Archer]

I've got five minutes and I'm feeling really pretentious so I expect everyone to fill me in on the past 48 hours now.... STAT!!!

[Andromidius]

FellishBeast wrote...
I love the Warcraft lore. 

If you're gonna talk about it on this thread, though, it has to be Old Gods. That is the only rule. 

To be fair, the Old Gods certainly to bare similarities with the Reapers.  Lovecraftian horrors that twist people's minds to their bidding, and are basically impossible to completely kill.

[FellishBeast]

Salient Archer wrote...

I've got five minutes and I'm feeling really pretentious so I expect everyone to fill me in on the past 48 hours now.... STAT!!!

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[FellishBeast]

Andromidius wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...
I love the Warcraft lore. 

If you're gonna talk about it on this thread, though, it has to be Old Gods. That is the only rule. 

To be fair, the Old Gods certainly to bare similarities with the Reapers.  Lovecraftian horrors that twist people's minds to their bidding, and are basically impossible to completely kill.

I love them. Pretty convinced they are behind all of the conflicts in the Warcraft universe. I think they feed off the chaos.

[TSA_383]

Salient Archer wrote...

I've got five minutes and I'm feeling really pretentious so I expect everyone to fill me in on the past 48 hours now.... STAT!!!

1. Lots of ****ing.
2. This:

FellishBeast wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Basically everything remotely important we say ends up on the "indoctrinated" reddit somehow [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

They bring up some awesome stuff though, like this:

http://youtu.be/ItxB36uRrYo?t=8m8s
SPECULATIONS! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Hmmm...I wonder why I've never looked at TIM's tattle about the Citadel from another direction:
What
if he did run off, but did manage to control them? Though, of course,
it's still astronomically unlikely, since every cycle must've had a
Cerberus who tried and failed. But then, many cycle must've had a
Shepard, too, who we are told to have a chance.

Something being
astronomically unlikely, does not mean it's entirely impossible. To that
extend, TIM still having control over something, would help explain the
weirdness that surrounds the Cronos Station mission. London I can write
off to the Reapers, but Cronos? Not really.

Interesting idea,
that Cerberus might still be very fit and alive. At least TIM seemed
that way in his last (sane) conversation before the Leng fight.

As
a closing thought for fun: what if the last two missions have been a
test, but not from the Catalyst, but from Cerberus? What if Shepard's
defeat of Kai Leng was TIM looking into the option of replacing his
Number Once with Shepard? After all, he says in TSA's link, that he
doesn't see Shepard as a total loss yet.

Interesting.
I believe some pages back people were discussing TIM's room, and how
the star outside it was just a projection or something like that? And
that the room itself could become virtual reality and that based on the
outside of it, it looks totally mobile.

I'm sure I'm butchering their speculations, but it was something along those lines. Anyone remember?

[byne]

FellishBeast wrote...


I love the Warcraft lore. 

If you're gonna talk about it on this thread, though, it has to be Old Gods. That is the only rule. 

Ok, well, about the Old Gods. They're all named after beings from the Cthulhu, mythos right? N'zoth is Zoth-Ommog, Cthun is Cthulhu, and Yogg-Saron is Yogg-Sothoth.

The Titans claimed the reason they didnt destroy the Old Gods was because if they did so, it would destroy Azeroth in the process.

Well, the grandfather of Yogg-Sothoth, great great grandfather of Cthulhu, and great great great grandfather of Zoth-Ommog is named Azathoth. Why does that sound familiar? Hmm.

If Azeroth itself isnt in fact an Old God, I will be disappoint.

[Salient Archer]

@Fellishbeast: Thanks ... I think? :S
@TSA_383: Thanks man, but Sigh, I hate it when our little piece of virtual real-estate turns to ****ing opposed to productive thought and constructive argument, I'm thankful I didn't have to witness it.

It is interesting that Reddit seems to be lurking around and syphoning our thoughts.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I can't see any reason to change my behavior which is the same since about 2k pages and no one said anything about it until I attacked statements of HellishFiend and Rifneno because they were flawed.

Or it's because you belitted a major point simply because you don't understand it. *points to sig*

TSA_383 wrote...

Maybe Megumi's being a little harsh, but then again there are a lot of people throwing around information that's patently false (IT related or not) and if stuff ends up in our theories that shouldn't be as a result it just weakens what we already have.

No, Magumi's blowing smoke out her ass, plain and simple. The information she attacked was Hellish's infrasound information, claiming it's all over in her music CD's or some crap and that she gets why the literalists are laughing at that piece of evidence. You want to talk about information that's patently false, just look at Magumi's posting history.

FellishBeast wrote...

I think it's very important that we confirm whether or not that has been photoshopped. I'm almost certain it has been, or else IT would have been proven correct when someone found this image, based on its name ._.

That one's fake... but the "control" option model's name isn't.

[TSA_383]

http://www.facebook....15050907&type=3
Don't you just hate people?

[Arkennys]

Hello everyone.

I finished ME3 a few days after release day. I thought it was a brilliant game overall, but the ending left me confused. As soon as RGC appeared I felt something was off, and by the time he finished his "explanation" I was certain that it cannot possibly be the canon ending. Thankfully, I found the IT here. I became a believe straight away.

This whole being social and posting on a forum thing isn't for me, so apart from one rant I took no part in it. Furthermore, I saw no point in following these threads, because it only served to remind me of the awful. However, it's been three months now, so I figured I'd check back to see what's up.

What I'm getting at is this: it is absolutely amazing to see that you have kept up the investigation and maintained the IT. I cannot really explain how pleasant it is to see that the same couple of people whose handles are recognise from the initial posting are still here. You have my utmost respect.

As for the evidence that is new to me, one thing in particular gets me. The infrasound.

Please do keep it up until you - we - are proven right.

Regards, Arkennys

[FellishBeast]

byne wrote...

If Azeroth itself isnt in fact an Old God, I will be disappoint.

I think you're the first person who arrived at the same conclusion that I did. 

A lot of people say the Burning Legion is the main "baddie," but I think the Old Gods are behind that as well. The way Sargeras turned evil is suspiciously similar to the way the Old Gods corrupt.

Also...I'm still waiting to meet N'zoth. <_<

[Andromidius]

The word 'Conventional' seems to be an arc-word in ME3. Keeps popping up, as if to remind us.

Hackett especially likes this word. Conventional victory is impossible. N7 missions open up possibilities that aren't obtainable by conventional means. Etc etc.

Which certainly hints that an unconventional approach is required. Oh yes indeed.

Oh, and Traynor is from London too.  Interesting.

Modifié par Andromidius, 22 juin 2012 - 12:07 .

[MaximizedAction]

Andromidius wrote...

The word 'Conventional' seems to be an arc-word in ME3. Keeps popping up, as if to remind us.

Hackett especially likes this word. Conventional victory is impossible. N7 missions open up possibilities that aren't obtainable by conventional means. Etc etc.

Which certainly hints that an unconventional approach is required. Oh yes indeed.

Nice! This should also be the player's approach. Think outside of the box.
Yes sir, will do sir!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 22 juin 2012 - 12:07 .

[Dendio1]

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...


I love the Warcraft lore. 

If you're gonna talk about it on this thread, though, it has to be Old Gods. That is the only rule. 

Ok, well, about the Old Gods. They're all named after beings from the Cthulhu, mythos right? N'zoth is Zoth-Ommog, Cthun is Cthulhu, and Yogg-Saron is Yogg-Sothoth.

The Titans claimed the reason they didnt destroy the Old Gods was because if they did so, it would destroy Azeroth in the process.

Well, the grandfather of Yogg-Sothoth, great great grandfather of Cthulhu, and great great great grandfather of Zoth-Ommog is named Azathoth. Why does that sound familiar? Hmm.

If Azeroth itself isnt in fact an Old God, I will be disappoint.

Wow lore is terrible and half told through out of game books. Can't get any worse than that. Cataclysm alone is full of incomplete plotlines. Alliance fleet to twilight highlands is just sitting there beyond the fatigue limit. Instead you get a hastily prepared personal flight.

How about the terribly lame reveal of the twilight high father, how deathwings children came back to life with no foreshadowing or explanation or why thrall is suddenly best friends with malfurion?

Even the D3 people have complained about the uninspiring diablo 3 story.

Modifié par Dendio1, 22 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[TSA_383]

Arkennys wrote...

Hello everyone.

I finished ME3 a few days after release day. I thought it was a brilliant game overall, but the ending left me confused. As soon as RGC appeared I felt something was off, and by the time he finished his "explanation" I was certain that it cannot possibly be the canon ending. Thankfully, I found the IT here. I became a believe straight away.

This whole being social and posting on a forum thing isn't for me, so apart from one rant I took no part in it. Furthermore, I saw no point in following these threads, because it only served to remind me of the awful. However, it's been three months now, so I figured I'd check back to see what's up.

What I'm getting at is this: it is absolutely amazing to see that you have kept up the investigation and maintained the IT. I cannot really explain how pleasant it is to see that the same couple of people whose handles are recognise from the initial posting are still here. You have my utmost respect.

As for the evidence that is new to me, one thing in particular gets me. The infrasound.

Please do keep it up until you - we - are proven right.

Regards, Arkennys

Hear hear!
(or not, in the case of infrasound )

[Andromidius]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

The word 'Conventional' seems to be an arc-word in ME3. Keeps popping up, as if to remind us.

Hackett especially likes this word. Conventional victory is impossible. N7 missions open up possibilities that aren't obtainable by conventional means. Etc etc.

Which certainly hints that an unconventional approach is required. Oh yes indeed.

Nice! As should maybe be the player's approach. Think outside of the box. Yes sir, will do sir!

Indeed.  Which is really what is going on throughout ME3, the Normandy for the most part isn't taking on conventional military tasks.  Its a mix between a diplomatic envoy ship, strike cruiser, salvage craft, intelligence gatherer...

Not to mention (as I've said before) having most of the races of the Galaxy fighting shoulder to shoulder is the most unconventional thing ever seen in Mass Effect.

...other then Vega ramming his shuttle into another one.  Especially considering the fact he had two cannons mounted on the prow, so ramming was kind of unnecessary.