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[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Just posted an interesting video - not really IT related.

Didn't realise they forgot to take out some of Aria's lines from Retake Omega from the audio as well as the subtitles

Good find. I don't understand why did BioWare left those and other voices on the disk if they weren't used in the game. Seems like their QA is sloppy.

They did the same for LotSB and Kasumi.

The same question applies then. Leaving unused files on the disk seems like leaving trash on the street.

[paxxton]

Dendio1 wrote...

It seems pointless to go back and retake omega for war assets after we already won the war.

3x LOL

[TJBartlemus]

Rifneno wrote...

That one's fake... but the "control" option model's name isn't.

That's funny. If it's real, then it should be proof that choosing Control is the wrong choice. I mean really...it's in the object name!!! (BadA)  Has anyone checked the object name for the beam??

[Salient Archer]

Just reading through the last few pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we disregard some of our less strengthened arguments. Having said that; we should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 22 juin 2012 - 01:14 .

[TSA_383]

Dendio1 wrote...

It seems pointless to go back and retake omega for war assets after we already won the war.

But did we?

Afrolash wrote...

Okay, I have never posted in here, but I
have been on the fence for the IT and I was reading through the last
few pages, and It hit me.

The Reapers were controlling TIM which
in turn controlled Cerberus. When Cerberus gets the VI on Thessia we
have no idea what they do with it while in their possession. It seems
logical that TIM/Reapers would lure Shepard into the citadel by
reprogramming the VI to claim it as the catalyst therefore luring
Shepard into their trap.

I am on my phone so I apologize if
formatting is rough. I also apologize if this is already a common
thought and I am late to the party. Either way let me know what you
think, and count another converts amongst your ranks.

This was my conclusion too, it's certainly plausible.
Also, note how when you walk out of Cronos, the VI just turns back towards TIM's panel as you walk away - behaves very strangely...

Salient Archer wrote...

Just reading through the last few
pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've
noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own
evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence
from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as
strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they
see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be
nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we
disregard some of our less strengthened arguments, having said that we
should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on
our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at
first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Agreed 200%.
People need to grow thicker skins

TJBartlemus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

That one's fake... but the "control" option model's name isn't.

That's
funny. If it's real, then it should be proof that choosing Control is
the wrong choice. I mean really...it's in the object name!!! (BadA) [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie] Has anyone checked the object name for the beam??

Tis totally legit - and the object name for the beam is "ConduitBeam" or some such thing.

Modifié par TSA_383, 22 juin 2012 - 01:15 .

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Just posted an interesting video - not really IT related.

Didn't realise they forgot to take out some of Aria's lines from Retake Omega from the audio as well as the subtitles

Good find. I don't understand why did BioWare left those and other voices on the disk if they weren't used in the game. Seems like their QA is sloppy.

It's standard fare.  Most games have stuff that gets cut and dummied data gets left in.  There was a ton of unused audio for ME2.  For instance Mordin was originally going to be a biotic.  On par with Samara and Jack even, he was going to be able to successfully do the bubble walk.  He was also supposed to have a conflict with Grunt like the ones with Jack & Miranda and Tali & Legion.  Tons of other stuff too... best unused dialogue I've seen on a game was DA2's line where Cassandra calls BS on the number of blood mages in Varric's story.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Just posted an interesting video - not really IT related.

Didn't realise they forgot to take out some of Aria's lines from Retake Omega from the audio as well as the subtitles

Good find. I don't understand why did BioWare left those and other voices on the disk if they weren't used in the game. Seems like their QA is sloppy.

It's standard fare.  Most games have stuff that gets cut and dummied data gets left in.  There was a ton of unused audio for ME2.  For instance Mordin was originally going to be a biotic.  On par with Samara and Jack even, he was going to be able to successfully do the bubble walk.  He was also supposed to have a conflict with Grunt like the ones with Jack & Miranda and Tali & Legion.  Tons of other stuff too... best unused dialogue I've seen on a game was DA2's line where Cassandra calls BS on the number of blood mages in Varric's story.

I agree that it might be left for happy fans to find. But it can also mean devs don't do the cleaning properly.

Modifié par paxxton, 22 juin 2012 - 01:18 .

[paxxton]

Salient Archer wrote...

Just reading through the last few pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we disregard some of our less strengthened arguments. Having said that; we should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Very well said. I think along those lines too when it comes to separating the rotten apples from the good ones. Do you have any particular evidence for dumping?

Modifié par paxxton, 22 juin 2012 - 01:41 .

[FellishBeast]

Salient Archer wrote...

Just reading through the last few pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we disregard some of our less strengthened arguments. Having said that; we should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Well put, Archer. Thank you.

[FellishBeast]

@TSA Are you talking about the Synthesis beam or the Citadel beam?

[Vaya]

FellishBeast wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...


Hmmm...I wonder why I've never looked at TIM's tattle about the Citadel from another direction:
What if he did run off, but did manage to control them? Though, of course, it's still astronomically unlikely, since every cycle must've had a Cerberus who tried and failed. But then, many cycle must've had a Shepard, too, who we are told to have a chance.

Something being astronomically unlikely, does not mean it's entirely impossible. To that extend, TIM still having control over something, would help explain the weirdness that surrounds the Cronos Station mission. London I can write off to the Reapers, but Cronos? Not really.

Interesting idea, that Cerberus might still be very fit and alive. At least TIM seemed that way in his last (sane) conversation before the Leng fight.

As a closing thought for fun: what if the last two missions have been a test, but not from the Catalyst, but from Cerberus? What if Shepard's defeat of Kai Leng was TIM looking into the option of replacing his Number Once with Shepard? After all, he says in TSA's link, that he doesn't see Shepard as a total loss yet.

Interesting. I believe some pages back people were discussing TIM's room, and how the star outside it was just a projection or something like that? And that the room itself could become virtual reality and that based on the outside of it, it looks totally mobile.

I'm sure I'm butchering their speculations, but it was something along those lines. Anyone remember?

http://social.biowar.../index/12646958

I reposted my speculation here since I didnt think it belonged in the IT thread

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

I agree that it might be left for happy fans to find. But it can also mean devs don't do the cleaning properly.

Wow, I was born in London too.  Small world.

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Just reading through the last few pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we disregard some of our less strengthened arguments. Having said that; we should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Very well said. I think along those lines too when it comes to separating the rotten apples from the good ones. Do you have any particular evidence for dumping?

You guys do realize this all roots back to Magumi mocking the infrasound because she doesn't understand it, right?

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I agree that it might be left for happy fans to find. But it can also mean devs don't do the cleaning properly.

Wow, I was born in London too.  Small world.

What?

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Just reading through the last few pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we disregard some of our less strengthened arguments. Having said that; we should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Very well said. I think along those lines too when it comes to separating the rotten apples from the good ones. Do you have any particular evidence for dumping?

You guys do realize this all roots back to Magumi mocking the infrasound because she doesn't understand it, right?

I was refering to the general practice of peer reviews which is rooted in scientific evaluation.

Modifié par paxxton, 22 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[Vaya]

This could have been done simply for cinematic reasons, so you could see the citadel arms opening up, but from my understanding of the layout of the citadel tower, there should be no way that you should be looking out at the wards from the vantage of the room you confront TIM in on the citadel. If it could be fit in at all, you should be looking at the top of the presidium ring.

As a side note, it just clicked little while ago that the way that EVA nearly kills the VS on mars is exactly the way the the original Eva Core was killed by Ben Hislop. Notable because Bioware NEVER adds subtle details that will almost certainly go unnoticed by most of the audience ...

Modifié par Vaya, 22 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[FellishBeast]

Edit: Eh...never mind. Not even worth it.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 22 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[FellishBeast]

Vaya wrote...

This could have been done simply for cinematic reasons, so you could see the citadel arms opening up, but from my understanding of the layout of the citadel tower, there should be no way that you should be looking out at the wards froom the vantage of the room you confront TIM in on the citadel. If it could be fit in at all, you should be looking at the top of the presidium ring.

You might be right...unless I totally misunderstand the structure of the Citadel. Not to mention that you can clearly see traffic on the arms.

[Andromidius]

Heh, and Shep just said it herself (in regards to General Victus): Unconventional thinking is what is needed to save Earth. Garrus says it too (in slightly different words, but used 'unconventional' again) if you pick the 'paragon' choice.

Really is an arc theme - Conventional vs Unconventional. Note that one down, Hellish.

[Big Bad]

Salient Archer wrote...

Just reading through the last few pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we disregard some of our less strengthened arguments. Having said that; we should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Very well said, Salient Archer!  I agree 100%. 

[FellishBeast]

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

[byne]

FellishBeast wrote...

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

I still figure he was probably real at some point.

Although, if he's not real, it wouldnt exactly be hard to project a false image of a poster for the kid. Certainly less hard than projecting the kid himself as an illusion.

[FellishBeast]

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

I still figure he was probably real at some point.

Although, if he's not real, it wouldnt exactly be hard to project a false image of a poster for the kid. Certainly less hard than projecting the kid himself as an illusion.

Yeah, but it's always there...and it's something everyone else is looking at. I don't know, it just seems like if BioWare intended for him to be mysterious, putting his picture there just doesn't seem to fit.

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

I still figure he was probably real at some point.

Although, if he's not real, it wouldnt exactly be hard to project a false image of a poster for the kid. Certainly less hard than projecting the kid himself as an illusion.

This...I just thought it was one more way for them to try and drive home the thought that we are supposed to "feel" something for the kid...which I have to admit, worked on me as it lead to what helped leave me in as state of confused delirium as I just ran straight to the beam and picked synthesis first.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I agree that it might be left for happy fans to find. But it can also mean devs don't do the cleaning properly.

Wow, I was born in London too.  Small world.

What?

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Just reading through the last few pages and I just wanted to say something about the few scrobbles I've noticed. At the end of the day I believe we do need to attack our own evidence, I think it's crucial for us to sort out the weaker evidence from the evidence that is truly conclusive. Our resolve is only as strong as our weakest point and the anti-ITers will attack us were they see our clearest vulnerabilities. So although some theories might be nice and very convient for our cause I think it's crucial that we disregard some of our less strengthened arguments. Having said that; we should never dismiss any evidence brought fourth, especially based on our personel feelings as the evidence that might appears weakest at first might actually lead to the most compelling finds.

Very well said. I think along those lines too when it comes to separating the rotten apples from the good ones. Do you have any particular evidence for dumping?

You guys do realize this all roots back to Magumi mocking the infrasound because she doesn't understand it, right?

I was refering to the general practice of peer reviews which is rooted in scientific evaluation.

I think, aside from Rifneno, you guys are completely missing the point here. This isnt about discussing evidence or being realistic, this is about being polite and civil. I've had tone problems too, which were brought to my attention. I quickly apologized and worked on improving my tone to make sure my statements were never construed as offensive, because I certainly never try to be. And yet when Megumi acts intentionally offensive and has it pointed out to her, she gets even worse, saying things like this:

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You could just trash that video and just show the pitch shifted stuff. The things the video shows are easy to dismiss.

That's just one example of the nasty tone she's taken with me lately. I never did anything to her, so what's her problem? Like I said, this isnt about the act of discussing evidence, this is about the manner in which it's discussed. If you think it's ok for her to talk to me like that, then I dont know what to say. 

[D.Sharrah]

FellishBeast wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

I still figure he was probably real at some point.

Although, if he's not real, it wouldnt exactly be hard to project a false image of a poster for the kid. Certainly less hard than projecting the kid himself as an illusion.

Yeah, but it's always there...and it's something everyone else is looking at. I don't know, it just seems like if BioWare intended for him to be mysterious, putting his picture there just doesn't seem to fit.

But we see the game through Shep...how do we know anyone else "sees" it?  I don't remember anyone else commenting on it...and the only person that Shep ever mentions the kid to is Garrus - who can't corrobate whether or not Shep was hallucinating.

And with that...I sign off for the night. 

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

I think, aside from Rifneno, you guys are completely missing the point here. This isnt about discussing evidence or being realistic, this is about being polite and civil. I've had tone problems too, which were brought to my attention. I quickly apologized and worked on improving my tone to make sure my statements were never construed as offensive, because I certainly never try to be. And yet when Megumi acts intentionally offensive and has it pointed out to her, she gets even worse, saying things like this:

MegumiAzusa wrote...
You could just trash that video and just show the pitch shifted stuff. The things the video shows are easy to dismiss.

That's just one example of the nasty tone she's taken with me lately. I never did anything to her, so what's her problem? Like I said, this isnt about the act of discussing evidence, this is about the manner in which it's discussed. If you think it's ok for her to talk to me like that, then I dont know what to say. 

I completely agree that her tone has been unacceptable, and I have attempted to call her on it multiple times, but have been hesitant for fear of causing drama.

That post of hers, alone, however, is enough to say something. Even if Hellish's video was complete garbage (it wasn't. It was very informative and has interesting and compelling evidence for IT) that wouldn't justify Megumi responding that way. He put a lot of time and effort into that video and for her to say something that rude is just cruel. I don't think it can be chalked up to "culteral differences;" there was venom in those words.

It just has to stop. Disagree all you want. We need opposing viewpoints to remove the weak arguments. But for the love of God, grow up and act like a decent human being.