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[FellishBeast]

D.Sharrah wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

I still figure he was probably real at some point.

Although, if he's not real, it wouldnt exactly be hard to project a false image of a poster for the kid. Certainly less hard than projecting the kid himself as an illusion.

Yeah, but it's always there...and it's something everyone else is looking at. I don't know, it just seems like if BioWare intended for him to be mysterious, putting his picture there just doesn't seem to fit.

But we see the game through Shep...how do we know anyone else "sees" it?  I don't remember anyone else commenting on it...and the only person that Shep ever mentions the kid to is Garrus - who can't corrobate whether or not Shep was hallucinating.

And with that...I sign off for the night. 

That reason isn't enough for me. 

[TJBartlemus]

Regarding Vaya's thread, why does Shepard wake up with a blank communicator/data pad??

Also on a playthrough of ME2 a comment from Joker got my attention. He was commenting on how EDI didn't approve of personalization of the cockpit and she comments on how putting grease on the cams wasn't personalization. Then Joker says, "She just doesn't like how everything looks like a dream sequence..." Probably means nothing...

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 22 juin 2012 - 02:57 .

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
You guys do realize this all roots back to Magumi mocking the infrasound because she doesn't understand it, right?

I was refering to the general practice of peer reviews which is rooted in scientific evaluation.

Which would be a point worthy of bringing up if anyone at any point said otherwise. If we weren't constantly dissecting our own evidence and writing off pro-IT ideas as coincidences. Except they haven't and we are. This "we should examine our own evidence" just came up as Magumi's excuse for her ignorant vitriol.

FellishBeast wrote...

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

No. You're still seeing from Shepard's POV. If he can hallucinate an entire person he can certainly hallucinate a picture frame. If it is real, then the parents looking for him are mindblowingly stupid. "Last seen on Earth"? Gee, that really narrows it down. A human on the human holdworld. Only 10 billion possibilities to go! Hey, has anyone seen my keys? I last saw them in the Virgo Supercluster.

I recall someone saying at one point that Allers has all the pictures on the wall in the wall her cabin except that one, which would actually imply it was a hallucination. I haven't verified it though. I cannot fathom being that bored. So take it with a grain of salt.

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Not sure if anyone saw this before or if it is even relavant, but it seemed (to me) to be yet ANOTHER thing to support the Indoctrination Theory.

https://www.dropbox....1pak5zo/WOW.jpg

In the collector's edition strategy guide...They NEVER (not ONCE) refer
to the blue option as "control". They always refer to it as "become a
reaper". In conjunction with that, they always put quotes around the
word "save" or "saved" when referring to Anderson...
I might be the only one that thinks this is huge, but thought I would share...
Thoughts?

Modifié par A_Pissed_Iguana, 22 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Vaya's thread, why does Shepard wake up with a blank communicator/data pad??

Also on a playthrough of ME2 a comment from Joker got my attention. He was commenting on how EDI didn't approve of personalization of the cockpit and she comments on how putting grease on the cams wasn't personalization. Then Joker says, "She just doesn't like how everything looks like a dream sequence..." Probably means nothing...

I think the most interesting about it was that he "woke up" sitting in a chair holding a datapad at all. That seems to indicate to me he wasnt actually asleep. He had a waking dream. Which is interesting, because we've started to suspect events as early as Cronos to be affected by hallucinations. 

[TJBartlemus]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not sure if anyone saw this before or if it is even relavant, but it seemed (to me) to be yet ANOTHER thing to support the Indoctrination Theory.

https://www.dropbox....1pak5zo/WOW.jpg

In the collector's edition strategy guide...They NEVER (not ONCE) refer
to the blue option as "control". They always refer to it as "become a
reaper". In conjunction with that, they always put quotes around the
word "save" or "saved" when referring to Anderson...
I might be the only one that thinks this is huge, but thought I would share...
Thoughts?

Is that your picture? If it is what is the thing about the paddle fish?

The become a reaper could be a misswording, or in control to control the reapers you have to become them. The save portion about Anderson always got me though...

[HellishFiend]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not sure if anyone saw this before or if it is even relavant, but it seemed (to me) to be yet ANOTHER thing to support the Indoctrination Theory.

https://www.dropbox....1pak5zo/WOW.jpg

In the collector's edition strategy guide...They NEVER (not ONCE) refer
to the blue option as "control". They always refer to it as "become a
reaper". In conjunction with that, they always put quotes around the
word "save" or "saved" when referring to Anderson...
I might be the only one that thinks this is huge, but thought I would share...
Thoughts?

Yep, that was one of the things that first made me start to think that maybe Harby places such high importance on Shepard because he wants him to become the "consciousness" for the Human Reaper they want to make. I'm not sure if I still fully believe that or not, but I havent been able to think of anything more likely, so who knows... 

[FellishBeast]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
You guys do realize this all roots back to Magumi mocking the infrasound because she doesn't understand it, right?

I was refering to the general practice of peer reviews which is rooted in scientific evaluation.

Which would be a point worthy of bringing up if anyone at any point said otherwise. If we weren't constantly dissecting our own evidence and writing off pro-IT ideas as coincidences. Except they haven't and we are. This "we should examine our own evidence" just came up as Magumi's excuse for her ignorant vitriol.

FellishBeast wrote...

Can anyone explain, in the context of IT, why we can see the earth kid's face on the memorial wall on the Citadel? That implies he was real, doesn't it?

No. You're still seeing from Shepard's POV. If he can hallucinate an entire person he can certainly hallucinate a picture frame. If it is real, then the parents looking for him are mindblowingly stupid. "Last seen on Earth"? Gee, that really narrows it down. A human on the human holdworld. Only 10 billion possibilities to go! Hey, has anyone seen my keys? I last saw them in the Virgo Supercluster.

I recall someone saying at one point that Allers has all the pictures on the wall in the wall her cabin except that one, which would actually imply it was a hallucination. I haven't verified it though. I cannot fathom being that bored. So take it with a grain of salt.

Haha, actually that "last seen on earth" thing does make it seem a bit ridiculous. I guess I just thought since you really had to go out of your way to find that picture, there wasn't much point in it being a hallucination. At least if Shepard never seems to mention it.

I'll have to check that out...if I ever decide to let her on my ship again <_<

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not sure if anyone saw this before or if it is even relavant, but it seemed (to me) to be yet ANOTHER thing to support the Indoctrination Theory.

https://www.dropbox....1pak5zo/WOW.jpg

In the collector's edition strategy guide...They NEVER (not ONCE) refer
to the blue option as "control". They always refer to it as "become a
reaper". In conjunction with that, they always put quotes around the
word "save" or "saved" when referring to Anderson...
I might be the only one that thinks this is huge, but thought I would share...
Thoughts?

Is that your picture? If it is what is the thing about the paddle fish?

The become a reaper could be a misswording, or in control to control the reapers you have to become them. The save portion about Anderson always got me though...

The quotes around "save" are indeed suspect. But it's hard to consider them a meta-clue because it could just be referring to the fact that he dies anyway. So it could go either way, I suppose...

[byne]

TJBartlemus wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not sure if anyone saw this before or if it is even relavant, but it seemed (to me) to be yet ANOTHER thing to support the Indoctrination Theory.

https://www.dropbox....1pak5zo/WOW.jpg

In the collector's edition strategy guide...They NEVER (not ONCE) refer
to the blue option as "control". They always refer to it as "become a
reaper". In conjunction with that, they always put quotes around the
word "save" or "saved" when referring to Anderson...
I might be the only one that thinks this is huge, but thought I would share...
Thoughts?

Is that your picture? If it is what is the thing about the paddle fish?

The become a reaper could be a misswording, or in control to control the reapers you have to become them. The save portion about Anderson always got me though...

Well, you dont actually save Anderson, he dies either way.

As for the paddlefish, its just another upgrade thingy at the terminal in Liara's room. Some hanar is offering you rare tech in exchange for the fish or some such.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

I'll have to check that out...if I ever decide to let her on my ship again <_<

You could always justify it because it will allow you not only to check it out but also have the satisfaction of kicking her off the ship. 

[Starbuck8]

TJBartlemus wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not sure if anyone saw this before or if it is even relavant, but it seemed (to me) to be yet ANOTHER thing to support the Indoctrination Theory.

https://www.dropbox....1pak5zo/WOW.jpg

In the collector's edition strategy guide...They NEVER (not ONCE) refer
to the blue option as "control". They always refer to it as "become a
reaper". In conjunction with that, they always put quotes around the
word "save" or "saved" when referring to Anderson...
I might be the only one that thinks this is huge, but thought I would share...
Thoughts?

Is that your picture? If it is what is the thing about the paddle fish?

The become a reaper could be a misswording, or in control to control the reapers you have to become them. The save portion about Anderson always got me though...

If only they had put Anderson in quotes. lol
If you saved "Anderson"

Maybe the "become a reaper" is one of those details/explanations they talked about leaving out of the ending conversation with the catalyst?

Modifié par Starbuck8, 22 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'll have to check that out...if I ever decide to let her on my ship again <_<

You could always justify it because it will allow you not only to check it out but also have the satisfaction of kicking her off the ship. 

Haters gonna hate.

I dont particularly like Allers, but I do figure having someone to interview Shepard every once in a while, to let the galaxy get a glimpse at the person who is saving all of their sorry asses, is a good thing.

I think Allers is the only person in the galaxy that my Shep didnt flirt with. Allers tried  flirting and totally got shot down.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'll have to check that out...if I ever decide to let her on my ship again <_<

You could always justify it because it will allow you not only to check it out but also have the satisfaction of kicking her off the ship. 

Haters gonna hate.

I dont particularly like Allers, but I do figure having someone to interview Shepard every once in a while, to let the galaxy get a glimpse at the person who is saving all of their sorry asses, is a good thing.

I think Allers is the only person in the galaxy that my Shep didnt flirt with. Allers tried  flirting and totally got shot down.

I dont really have a problem with her. In fact I think she'd be a decent character if she would lose the "reporter accent" when she's not actually filming. But I'm pretty sure that's just because it's the only way Chobot knows how to voice act.... 

[Taco Del Marr]

I just had a quick thought, why does the citadel at the end even have the lighting chasm it can't possibly be for an engine if its in the citadel tower, so Indoctrination theory is the only way that area can be justified as being a re-hash of the shadow brokers ship from your memories.

[TJBartlemus]

Taco Del Marr wrote...

I just had a quick thought, why does the citadel at the end even have the lighting chasm it can't possibly be for an engine if its in the citadel tower, so Indoctrination theory is the only way that area can be justified as being a re-hash of the shadow brokers ship from your memories.

To defend literalists, I am sure there has to be an engine to move it and the engine wouldn't be in the wards. It would be the equivalent of having a car engine in door or a wheel. Also why it hasn't been discovered before is that most of the Citadel isn't explored yet and the keepers I'm sure would make sure that no one would discover it until the time was right. Just like how the Citadel is a giant relay. No one knew before it was almost too late. So don't even think that anyone knows how relays work, cause most of the organics don't.

Also for where that portion of the game is, I have figured out that Shepard had gotten flipped upside down and is in the lower ring of the citadel tower. He is upside down cause the position of Earth to the room suggests that. And when you go up, the Crucible is above you, along with earth like in the last room.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 22 juin 2012 - 03:48 .

[Vaya]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Also for where that portion of the game is, I have figured out that Shepard had gotten flipped upside down and is in the lower ring of the citadel tower. He is upside down cause the position of Earth to the room suggests that. And when you go up, the Crucible is above you, along with earth like in the last room.

Right. So you should be at the edge of the disk part of the back end of the citadel tower, which would look directly at the presidium ring and not the wards.

[Rifneno]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not sure if anyone saw this before or if it is even relavant, but it seemed (to me) to be yet ANOTHER thing to support the Indoctrination Theory.

https://www.dropbox....1pak5zo/WOW.jpg

In the collector's edition strategy guide...They NEVER (not ONCE) refer
to the blue option as "control". They always refer to it as "become a
reaper". In conjunction with that, they always put quotes around the
word "save" or "saved" when referring to Anderson...
I might be the only one that thinks this is huge, but thought I would share...
Thoughts?

Actually you missed another part. Destroy isn't "destroy synthetic life" or "destroy advanced technology" it's "destroy the Reapers." Just the Reapers.

But yeah, control is labelled internally as "becomeareaper." Pick control, and the Yagh get this in 50,000 years:



Also, this. Just 'cuz.

[Vaya]

Rifneno wrote...


Actually you missed another part. Destroy isn't "destroy synthetic life" or "destroy advanced technology" it's "destroy the Reapers." Just the Reapers.

But yeah, control is labelled internally as "becomeareaper." Pick control, and the Yagh get this in 50,000 years:

So if Harbinger is the Prothean reaper, did Prothean Shepard pick control?

[TJBartlemus]

So let me clarify this...Control means you control the Reapers (perhaps) but nothing stops them from gaining back that control and coming back next cycle. (Millions of sentient minds vs 1 Shepard) He may stop this cycle but nothing is stopping them from coming back. Destroy to Star child would only delay the chaos again. So star child is trying to push you into choosing synthesis cause it is the only one that permanently stops the chaos. Am I wrong???

[FellishBeast]

Vaya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


Actually you missed another part. Destroy isn't "destroy synthetic life" or "destroy advanced technology" it's "destroy the Reapers." Just the Reapers.

But yeah, control is labelled internally as "becomeareaper." Pick control, and the Yagh get this in 50,000 years:

So if Harbinger is the Prothean reaper, did Prothean Shepard pick control?

Just in case you're serious, it is confirmed in game that Harbinger is not the Prothean Reaper. 

[FellishBeast]

Okay so I do see the same pictures in Chobot's quarters, except there's no kid. Interesting...

I also saw the same picture twice on her wall -.-

[Bill Casey]

Harbinger is far too old to be made of Protheans...
Keepers, however... remain a remote possibility...

More likely, the Keepers were simply unable to be processed, and Harbinger is something we've never heard of...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 juin 2012 - 04:14 .

[Vaya]

TJBartlemus wrote...

So let me clarify this...Control means you control the Reapers (perhaps) but nothing stops them from gaining back that control and coming back next cycle. (Millions of sentient minds vs 1 Shepard) He may stop this cycle but nothing is stopping them from coming back. Destroy to Star child would only delay the chaos again. So star child is trying to push you into choosing synthesis cause it is the only one that permanently stops the chaos. Am I wrong???

I would think if you become a reaper, it comes with full reaper logic, so while you may command the reapers, all youre going to command them to do is reap.

Its a trap.

[Bill Casey]

"He's wrong! Don't listen to him!"




"You will lose everything you have"

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 juin 2012 - 04:15 .