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[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Eh, way to many people with big ego's in here. *leaves again*

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I have a little theory about that: if you directly huskify a species (without modification like Brutes or without unique DNA like Banshees) it reduces their behavior to one less evolved. Humans devolve into very animalistic troops, clawing and swarming the enemy like a pack of dogs (or hey, apes why not), while Turians who are very militaristic (and considered "primitive" already by Harbinger) become command units capable of using weapons and even some form of verbal commincation. Cannibals behave smarter than a Human Husk, but usually only after munching on some other husks....which just might explain why some Batarians are hard to like.

Honestly they all seem pretty stupid. Marauders and ravagers the least so but the others don't even seem to attempt to minimize their damage. Banshees never try to defend themselves in any way. It's 100% offensive. Brutes will hold the heavily armored claw in front of them sometimes when walking but otherwise they're dumber than a bag of hammers. Brutes are like a Robocop villain: completely screwed by any level geometry. Cannibals... a cannibal in a firefight will stop attacking and go start chowing down on allies with no protection whatsoever even though a potted plant could identify this scenario as "suicidal."

No. Banshees do sometimes create an additional barrier so they take less/no damage. You know, the skill there it just has a shield like glow afterwards.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Another interesting observation:
I also noticed whenever those black tendrils intensify we get an intense bass sound (but the bass sound plays at other times too, usually when TIM says something powerful/assertive). Anyway, normally the tendrils and bass show up when it seems TIM is tightening his grip on Shepard. But before TIM commits suicide, he says "they're too strong" and again the tendrils and bass intensify but the focus is on TIM. But we're not controlling TIM or supposed to be feeling what he's feeling... unless he's a part of Shepard's psyche...

Watched another video, all renegade choice version, now I'm not so sure about the pattern between what TIM says and the bass, but it's maybe worth looking into.

Did notice though a similar thing as above happened. After using all your renegade dialogue with TIM, (just before you shoot him) starts shaking his head and says "no! I'm the savior of humanity..." and we get the tendrils and bass while focused on him. Hmm.

TIM doesnt become vulnerable to Shepard's words at all until after the gunshot. I think the gunshot makes them both vulnerable, but since Shepard takes Anderson's side, TIM starts to break down, while Anderson looks fine. 

Plus, in the dreams, I'm convinced the Reaper horns, red light, and fire are actually Shepard's "Anderson" trying to warn himself to stay away from the kid. I think the kid wants Shepard to reach him, but every time he gets close, "Anderson" attacks and either scares the kid off or burns him up. 

So, it might be the case that the black tendrils/Reaper growls are actually still "Anderson" trying to warn Shepard. Just an idea. 

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Someone said my name three times, so here I am.

What? More work? Umm...sure!

*activates Tactical Cloak*

Lol we like to keep you busy!  I'm really looking forward to the video you're working on btw!

Thanks, me too. :happy: Still working on filming everything I need. Then the fun part begins. 

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Another interesting observation:
I also noticed whenever those black tendrils intensify we get an intense bass sound (but the bass sound plays at other times too, usually when TIM says something powerful/assertive). Anyway, normally the tendrils and bass show up when it seems TIM is tightening his grip on Shepard. But before TIM commits suicide, he says "they're too strong" and again the tendrils and bass intensify but the focus is on TIM. But we're not controlling TIM or supposed to be feeling what he's feeling... unless he's a part of Shepard's psyche...

Watched another video, all renegade choice version, now I'm not so sure about the pattern between what TIM says and the bass, but it's maybe worth looking into.

Did notice though a similar thing as above happened. After using all your renegade dialogue with TIM, (just before you shoot him) starts shaking his head and says "no! I'm the savior of humanity..." and we get the tendrils and bass while focused on him. Hmm.

TIM doesnt become vulnerable to Shepard's words at all until after the gunshot. I think the gunshot makes them both vulnerable, but since Shepard takes Anderson's side, TIM starts to break down, while Anderson looks fine. 

Plus, in the dreams, I'm convinced the Reaper horns, red light, and fire are actually Shepard's "Anderson" trying to warn himself to stay away from the kid. I think the kid wants Shepard to reach him, but every time he gets close, "Anderson" attacks and either scares the kid off or burns him up. 

So, it might be the case that the black tendrils/Reaper growls are actually still "Anderson" trying to warn Shepard. Just an idea. 

That's an interesting idea. Makes sense given what we know about the kid, he's the reaper's tool to get into Shepard's mind.

I'll have to ponder these things about the ending sequence some more.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

So, if we analyse the bassy sounds that appear combined with the black tendrils, shouldn't we get a f*ckload of infrasound?

[HellishFiend]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

So, if we analyse the bassy sounds that appear combined with the black tendrils, shouldn't we get a f*ckload of infrasound?

Probably, but that wouldnt really tell us anything we dont already know. If we keep looking for it at all, we need to look in places where it would tell us something we wouldnt know otherwise. Coats was a perfect example. If we could find it with some other character or area too, that could be big. 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Uh.. just had an idea... do we know who exactly says the "negative, entire force decimated" line? Because what if that person is indoctrinated? She could still see Shepard but lie that he is dead so that nobody would help him...

[Starbuck8]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Uh.. just had an idea... do we know who exactly says the "negative, entire force decimated" line? Because what if that person is indoctrinated? She could still see Shepard but lie that he is dead so that nobody would help him...

Are you talking about what Major Coats says after getting hit by Harby?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Uh.. just had an idea... do we know who exactly says the "negative, entire force decimated" line? Because what if that person is indoctrinated? She could still see Shepard but lie that he is dead so that nobody would help him...

Are you talking about what Major Coats says after getting hit by Harby?

I messed up the lines.. thought it was said by a woman but the woman says "did we get anyone to the beam" right?
So.. it's Coates who says that everyone died?
Suspicious... veeeery suspicious...

[Starbuck8]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Uh.. just had an idea... do we know who exactly says the "negative, entire force decimated" line? Because what if that person is indoctrinated? She could still see Shepard but lie that he is dead so that nobody would help him...

Are you talking about what Major Coats says after getting hit by Harby?

I messed up the lines.. thought it was said by a woman but the woman says "did we get anyone to the beam" right?
So.. it's Coates who says that everyone died?
Suspicious... veeeery suspicious...

Very! And I think the woman on the radio is Major Johnson. I don't thik we meet her, but Anderson splits the teams up between Coats and Johnson who take Shepard's flanks. There's a rundown here www.reddit.com/r/Indoctrinated/comments/t1rtj/a_major_it_breakthrough/

[Starbuck8]

Alright, off to bed for me. Night everyone, happy speculating!

[WolfyZA]

I assumed after the beam Shepard is already passed out/knocked out (remember the piles of bodies you see on you left and right after getting up, not to mention the flickering floors??)

So the only thing I thought of that could be the most plausible is.. That he is unconscious or light dreaming state. But his subconsciousness is still hearing whats going on around him in the real world before going up the beam and losing total consciousness... 

It like this.. I'll explain it the best I can..

Its like listening to music while you sleep and you hear the lyrics in your dreams singing along to it... And sometimes you'd wake up while singing to the song in your dreams to hear it is the song you sang in your dreams.. If that makes any sense?

Modifié par WolfyZA, 22 juin 2012 - 09:00 .

[MegumiAzusa]

WolfyZA wrote...

I assumed after the beam Shepard is already passed out/knocked out (remember the piles of bodies you see on you left and right after getting up, not to mention the flickering floors??)

So the only thing I thought of that could be the most plausible is.. That he is unconscious or light dreaming state. But his subconsciousness is still hearing whats going on around him in the real world before going up the beam and goes totally unconscious...

It like this I'll explain it the best I can

Its like listening to music while you sleep and you hear the lyrics in your dreams singing along to it... And sometimes you'd wake up while singing to the song in your dreams to hear it is the song you sang in your dreams.. If that makes any sense?

The piles are there before getting hit. And what flickering floor do you mean?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

WolfyZA wrote...

I assumed after the beam Shepard is already passed out/knocked out (remember the piles of bodies you see on you left and right after getting up, not to mention the flickering floors??)

So the only thing I thought of that could be the most plausible is.. That he is unconscious or light dreaming state. But his subconsciousness is still hearing whats going on around him in the real world before going up the beam and goes totally unconscious...

It like this I'll explain it the best I can

Its like listening to music while you sleep and you hear the lyrics in your dreams singing along to it... And sometimes you'd wake up while singing to the song in your dreams to hear it is the song you sang in your dreams.. If that makes any sense?

The piles are there before getting hit.

I don't think they are.. not sure though..

[WolfyZA]

Well after you wake up you'll see the ground around you just seems surreal.. like its pulsing.. If that makes more sense?

And nope it has been proven no bodies are next to the Mako on either side before the beam hits you.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

WolfyZA wrote...

I assumed after the beam Shepard is already passed out/knocked out (remember the piles of bodies you see on you left and right after getting up, not to mention the flickering floors??)

So the only thing I thought of that could be the most plausible is.. That he is unconscious or light dreaming state. But his subconsciousness is still hearing whats going on around him in the real world before going up the beam and goes totally unconscious...

It like this I'll explain it the best I can

Its like listening to music while you sleep and you hear the lyrics in your dreams singing along to it... And sometimes you'd wake up while singing to the song in your dreams to hear it is the song you sang in your dreams.. If that makes any sense?

The piles are there before getting hit.

I don't think they are.. not sure though..

They are you just can't make out any details of them.

[WolfyZA]

If you check out Clevernoobs IT Documentary you'd see he covers everything from A to Z concerning the IT



He even points out the lack of bodies right before getting hit by the beam.

[monrapias]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

byne wrote...

ME1:
Colonist/Sole Survivor
Killed Wrex
Let Kirrahe die
Let Kaidan die
Killed Rachni Queen
Killed entire Feros colony, Shiala included
Killed Balak, let hostages die
Let Council die

ME2:
Normandy is destroyed. Pressly and 20 other crewmembers die
Shepard dies
Let Kal'Reegar die
Let Garrus kill Sidonis
Let Mordin kill Maelon, destroyed genophage data
Let Jack kill Aresh
Destroyed geth heretics
Killed turian politician on Thane's loyalty mission
Made Jacob's dad kill himself
Killed Samara, recruited Morinth
Left Zaeed to burn to death
Waited long enough that the entire crew got killed at the Collector Base
Didnt send anyone to escort Chakwas, she died too.
Only Mordin and Legion survived Suicide Mission

ME3:
Child I have never met before dies.
Sabotaged Genophage by shooting Mordin. (Coulda talked him out of since Wreav led and Eve was dead, but that would have been one less death)
Salarian councilor got killed in front of me
Killed Ashley
Killed Samara's daughter
Did geth consensus mission to kill an entire city's equivalent of geth
Killed the quarians.
Legion dies
Lost Thessia

After all those deaths, who am I dreaming of in the dream right before assaulting TIM's base? The damned child.

I refuse to believe that Shepard is somehow more attached to a random child than she is to any of the friends she's lost, or that the child dying is what would cause her PTSD.

Also, there are more deaths I didnt include, but I typed out a full list once and then accidentally closed the tab, so I typed out an abbreviated list, which is still pretty damned long.

Thanks for that write up.

Also I have a question for all those Anti-IT saying the child is the face of humanity. Well taht si all well and good, but what the hell does the end of the thrid dream mean in that context?

Shepard sees himself burn alongside the child while smiling, what does that mean to the litteralists?
Shepard is afraid he is
gonna die with humanity or that he cant save them? Probably not because
then he would not be smiling.<_<
Shepard is happy to die alongside humanity? Yeah right...

Flames in dreams are generally asociated with warnings, destruction or purification, guidance.

Now what could seeing yourself on flames possibly mean in this regard? Purification? From what? Also the dreams are not shone in any positive light at all except for Shepards smile at the end. It is dark and barren.

Under such conditions flames would usualy be seen as negative, meaning destruction or warning...combine that with the fact that the flames consume Shepard and the child and the implications become clear.

Why is Shepard smiling then? That can be seen as Shepard is not aware on the counscious level of the danger he is walking into.

Also fun thing do you litteralist know the implications of a Dobbleganger in a dream, like in the third dream? A Doppleganger can be a reflection of your negative actions and is often a omen of doom, even your own death if the doppleganger i yourself.

If Bioware simply wnated to show Shepard was affected by the evnts around him, a single or three different nightmares would be more realistic, but when a person has the same nightmare 3 times there are depper underlying reasons and for a person like Shepard who has faced death on an almost daily basis, even harsh death something triggering such nightmares would be no small thing.

He's (or she) is smiling cause he/she just had sex.

[StElmo]

WolfyZA wrote...

If you check out Clevernoobs IT Documentary you'd see he covers everything from A to Z concerning the IT



He even points out the lack of bodies right before getting hit by the beam.

Part 2 gonna be out soon

[gunslinger_ruiz]

If you mean the two big piles of bodies then yes you can see them from the top of the hill before you start running, I'm looking a nice big screenshot of it right now they just look like really big clumps from that distance. If you mean the dead alliance soldier bodies then no you can't see those until you get up after the beam.

[WolfyZA]

You mean this shot?

http://i47.tinypic.com/15qe045.jpg

[Helios969]

Has it been noted during the 2nd dream if you stop short of the kid before it triggers that all the oily shadows in the vicinity migrate to the child and surround him? Almost darken him out. I watched the clevernoob vid, but cant recall if he talked about that specifically. I found that very peculiar.

[monrapias]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Does that mean a spectre will kill Shepard?

Well, we were actually speculating about that the other day. Maybe in one of the endings, someone will confront Shepard like Shepard confronted Saren. It'd be so poetic I'd get goosebumbs

Wait a second...the Virmire Survivor is made a Spectre...

Yeah but he/she could be killed by shepard on the citadel.  Sooooooooooooo.

[TSA_383]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

So, if we analyse the bassy sounds that appear combined with the black tendrils, shouldn't we get a f*ckload of infrasound?

Not...necessarily.
There are a lot of places that I thought I would find it and didn't

Tbh, although I've done most of the analysis so far, I'm still reasonably skeptical about the extent of actual in-game infrasound.

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

You're right.. and, to be honest: Have we ever, EVER seen anything ingame where synthesis wasn't a creepy mess?

No.

HellishFiend wrote...

Anyway, I'd really like to stick
around since we have some actual speculation going... but I have to get
back to recording. Break time is over, I have a Mordin to
shoot.....

YOU MONSTER


Also, Mike Gamble, if you are by any chance reading this, can I just say I got a good laugh out of the smackdown you gave that Economics student on twitter earlier

[MegumiAzusa]

WolfyZA wrote...

If you check out Clevernoobs IT Documentary you'd see he covers everything from A to Z concerning the IT



He even points out the lack of bodies right before getting hit by the beam.

And he is wrong with that claim.