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[Reidbynature]

ThePowerOfHAT wrote...

I'm not gonna bother with Diablo III.

Max Payne 3, on the other hand...

This.  I know a local store that's potentially getting a slightly used Collector's Edition (and everything in it that wasn't downloaded).  Personally I think R* handle multiplayer additions and events better (more content and more interesting events).

[dddawda]

After i heard D3 is online-only, and action houses with real money....f*** that,

I ll stick to ME3 and w8 for Max payne

[Reidbynature]

dddawda wrote...

After i heard D3 is online-only, and action houses with real money....f*** that,

I ll stick to ME3 and w8 for Max payne

I'll see you this Friday then.  

[Sonintega]

Not Diablo 3, no. I'm not a computer gamer, but even if I were I wouldn't play the game because I don't appreciate the mandated online access to enable the auction house scam Blizzard is pushing. If a game has a single player function it shouldn't need constant connectivity. Might look into Max Payne 3's multiplayer, though, considering it has more than one competitive mode to take part in. Unless Bioware does something to liven up their multiplayer soon the community's going to dy up quick.

[Reidbynature]

Sonintega wrote...

If a game has a single player function it shouldn't need constant connectivity.

Preaching to the choir, dude (at least as far as any Gamer is concerned).

Sonintega wrote...

Might look into Max Payne 3's multiplayer, though, considering it has more than one competitive mode to take part in. Unless Bioware does something to liven up their multiplayer soon the community's going to dy up quick.

One thing that I think could boost and sustain some interest in ME3's multiplayer could be Rockstar's model for multiplayer events.  Bioware could, alongside the multiplayer goals, host a web chat/live cam of a game with some of their staff like Rockstar does.  It always brings people in to play the game or watch and chat at the same time and helps sustain the community.  They're hosted every so often on www.rockstargames.com/newswire

Though I expect even that can only do so much when ME3 only has one mode, a handful of maps and an awful random grab bag system of unlocking classes and equipment.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 14 mai 2012 - 11:52 .

[Sargaz]

 rofl who would play this over d3 wtf

[Ibn_Shisha]

Sonintega wrote...

If a game has a single player function it shouldn't need constant connectivity.

You do know this is the ME3 forum right?

Side note, remember when they told us Origin only had to activate at startup if you were only doing SP? 

[ArthurVon]

Blizzard? Nah, will wait till the game has the price it deserve.

[Moonphos87]

For myself, not really.

On the previous thread that got locked after I went to bed (Apologies to some who actually quoted my text and wanting me to explain more), I'm playing a little of both sides.

D3 when my buddies are online, and ME3 when they are offline (Because they have ME3 on consoles while I'm on PC [T.T] ).

[oOmpie]

I'm sure it will start eating away a fair share of my game time, but leaving... nah, probably just play less...

Haven't played the beta though... so no guesstimate on the addiction factor yet

[Transairion]

Of course I won't go play D3, I don't even know wtf that series is. I might actually finish the ME3 campaign/fool around in Skyrim again, though XD

[zerozen00]

Hell no, it's only a few months, I'm just getting started here.

/zen

[LeandroBraz]

I won't, I never played any Diablo, maybe some day.. It looks like the kind of game that you play because you become addicted to the leveling and looting system, not because you really enjoy it. It didn't get me yet, but I have a open mind..

[Zorinho20_CRO]

I´m fan of Diablo series,but what I hear from friends who played beta,I really don´t know.And price is far too high (greedy bastards).
So,I guess I´ll stick with ME 3 for a time.But damn Bioware,fix that f___ing store system,who is making me crazy.

[Krozuhsky]

Assuming Diablo III actually works.

[megawug]

I'll probably play both. D3 should be decent with friends, but nothing beats double headshots or sniping a guy through a wall. Or charging a banshee on gold and living to tell about it.

[Severyx]

sinosleep wrote...

Yeah, D3 broke the record for pre-orders on amazon.com cause it's soooooooo terrible. Which is also why D2 was still being played last year. When the hell did it become so cool to hate EVERYTHING popular?

It's the hater mentality. It's a predictable social process where the popular thing to do is automatically dislike popular/successful things just because they're popular/successful. It's extremely common for those who have taken on such a paradigm to rationalize their hate in a mystifiying number of ways, running from the completely baseless and incorrect, to taking the most basic smidgen of problem and issue to an absurd level for justification purposes. I'm pretty sure it started with A) The internet and  Boy bands.

Mostly the former, because boy bands actually are terrible, and because the internet (on the whole, as a social medium) is always aligned with the cynical.

[BDelacroix]

GroverA125 wrote...

All of the "casuals" will leave, or at least anyone who does will be branded so by EA in an attempt to hide the fact that they are actually losing their dedicated fans from their stockholders.

Wow, did we just start using the casual - hardcore labels?  Exactly like all other games.  This is fun.  No matter the game, the same dividing lines come up.  The same arguments.  The same complaints.

I wonder if there are casual and hardcore scrabble players.  Monopoly players.  Do they have arguments about who is more hardcore than the others?

Now to answer the OP.  Why are these two mutually exclusive?

Modifié par BDelacroix, 15 mai 2012 - 12:42 .

[Fins_T]

astheoceansblue wrote...

I know horde mode with limited
options is geting stale for some, but I played the beta of D3 and it was one of the most underwhelming experiences I've had in years...

Did those of you who've tried it actually enjoy it?

The following wall of text is probably the best (most objective) opinion about Diablo 3 "vs" Mass Effect 3 multiplayer mode you could read _today_.

However, please understand that objectivity only comes with lots of experience. In my case,
 - i played single player ME3 on Insanity through, and then multipalyer quite alot - N7 is about 1600, all characters and weapons except ultra-rares are maxed;
 - i played Diablo 3 for less than an hour today at friend's PC (full version, not a beta), but also i've seen dozens of hours of videos about Diablo 3 gameplay (including high-level gameplay), dozens of talks with game's developers, and i also was much hardcore closed battle-net Diablo 2 player (closed b-net hardcore uber tristram done 2nd day after its release, ironman guardian playthrough, etc).

So, for _now_, and probably at least for a few weeks ahead, chances are that you won't find better opinion on the subject. Furthermore, it is quite possible that my opinion on the matter will in fact be true for many years to come.


On the subject.


D3 is repeating starting days of D2. In case you don't know, Diablo 2 was also met much negatively at first - becauase of its "improper" athmosphere, "silly" graphics, and "pop-culture" overall designs, as compared to Diablo 1.

However, style of graphic designs are not the core of Diablo series success. It's the _game_ quality which makes diablo - so far, - very popular. With time, people get used to Diablo 2 looks and feels; behind them, very balanced, stable, rich and durable _gameplay_ was - and still is, refined by many patches to be almost perfect. And only that - not the looks (some competitors have much better looks) or something else, - but just quality of the game itself
(the goals, the difficulty, the richness of tactical and strategical goals - ever heard of Ironman mode? Act 1 1-hour speed runs on hardcore? No-gear solo guardians? etc - is what kept people playing Diablo 2 for many, many years.

Sure thing, it wasn't without flaws. Oh so many still remember instant kills in close range by bugged fire enchanted mods, instant kills at any range by MSLE mobs and by poison vipers in the dungeon under Harrogath in Act 5, etc; but these were not too many, nor not too critical, to ruin the game for majority of players. I've been there, died to these, most of my friends did to, - yet noone did ragequit or something. Noone.

Which currently, and imho, is NOT the case with ME3 MP; i mean, flaws and troublesome bits - are too many.

So with Diablo 3, which i only tried for less than an hour today, it seems just the same as it was when Diablo 2 just appeared, really. What i saw in very few starting areas is this:
 - surely, "much more casual" graphic engine, with same features somehow feeling very similar to WoW
and/or Warcraft 3, and some even resembling Starcraft 2 (all these games never were "unique" in their looks as was Diablo 1, Diablo 2 and Starcraft 1 - guess true 3D always takes its toll). But, as mentioned above, this is not the key element;
 - skill and attribute systems indeed much reworked to be more like WoW system, - and it has its cons and pros. Yet i definitely feel much evolution, and overall design seem to be very user-friendly _and_ quite rich in the same time, which surely is good;
 - obvious "extremely noob-friendly" beginning of the game, confirming what i heard before about it - it remains to be seen how difficult the game will become by the time i'll hit 4th difficulty level (Inferno, the one after Hell mode; they say we'll get our **** kicked for real, but i have beaten Diablo 2 hardcore strict-ironman hell in a
team of 5 - not 8 - so i think i'll manage), and it remains to be seen if my assumption that last "noob-friendlyness" would actually end near the end of the normal (1st) difficulty mode of Diablo 3 will prove to be
true;
 - obvious signs of indeed very, very thourough balancing and tremendous thinking put into stats and into gameplay.

Worth to mention is the fact that Diablo 2 had, for many years after its release, huge player-base; i don't have numbers at hand, but i bet average monthly player base of D2 was many times larger than current player-base of ME3 MP. And, i see only one possibility for Diablo 3 to have less player base than Diablo 2 had: it's over-standartization. But it remains to be seen at max level, and after few initial patches with additional high-level balancing (no doubt Blizzard will use few weeks/months while mainstram players level to 60 to improve high-level balance even further). But even if Blizzard will make rather silly mistake of producing the case of "all classes and all builds are of very similar effectiveness - give or take 10%" (gearing and twinking classes which are most gear-dependant was always big part of Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 for nearly all long-time playing players), and even if, with that, all their new "hooks" (like 14-grade gems' system, etc) will fail to substitude for it, - _even_ then you'll have lots of people trying Diablo 3 for months to go; some not just right away, but only after their more faithful friends will get far enough into debths of Diablo 3 to discover the beauty of Diablo game's challenge - and then they'll tell their friends, _show_ their friends how and why D3 is "THE game!", and you'll get more and more people silently leaving this here forum for years, or at least, months.

Because, you see, Diablo games are made in such a way that the more you play them, the more challenging, difficult, and "tricky" it is to progress further (but, never impossible!). I guess that's the main hook - that's the thing which makes Diablo series so much more popular than many other games.

I remain symthatetic to ME3 MP, to Bioware (though i said i went neutral to them not too long ago... Could neutral person have some sympathies? I guess so  ). But now that i've seen a little bit of Diablo 3 myself, pressed buttons in the game client, used things myself, - there certainly is famous "Blizzard!" feel to all that; hard to describe, but it's about how interface works, where buttons are, how fast game reacts to my inputs, etc - and, it feels like comparing warplane of world war II (like Spitfire something) - and modern jet fighter (like Su-35). The  latter being D3, that is. The former - ME3 MP.

Well, sure thing, Spitfire has its virtues, and is still more suitable for a few specific types of missions even at present day; but in vast majority of cases, any modern jet is just times and times better. Same with Diablo 3 and ME3 MP: the latter still has its appeals, if few:
- First-person-Shooter aspect,
 - sci-fi universe,
 - truly 3D _tactical_ environment,
but in so many other things, Diablo 3 is hugely better:
 - in-game chat system,
 - item hoarding system,
 - difficulty modes - Diablo 3 has _eight_ of them, if to count hardcore set of 4 as distinct difficulty modes,
 - game balance (presumably, but i'm quite sure),
 - skill systems,
 - richness of itemization,
 - replayability (presumably, - but again i am very sure),
 - number/size of available (for cooperative play) maps - which is whole D3 world,
 - trade system (auction houses),
 - in-game social tools (Origin's ones are a pity in comparison),
 - in-game economy,
 - in-game item creation,
 - visual effects in terms of number and variability,
 - music - in Diablo 3, it's quite beautiful,
and many more features ME3 MP just can't even dream about - at least, for now.


Will i play D3? Sure thing, alot. Will i play ME3 MP? Sure thing, but from now on, only in small amounts - N7 weekends' goals to fulfill, perhaps occasional game when i want to do some FPS and D3 servers are doing their  monthly-or-something-like-that scheduled maintenance (if there will be any, of which i am not sure).


And, i won't be posting any often in this here forum anymore, obviously. If at all. Sorry, guys... I wish i could have time to... But, you know...

Modifié par Fins_T, 15 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[MarchWaltz]

I'm gonna pick it up after classes, and install it while I workout, then play it tomorrow after those classes. I am not that excited for it, mainly because I am pre-occupied with classes.

classES

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 15 mai 2012 - 02:31 .

[Ikilledkillab]

astheoceansblue wrote...

I know horde mode with limited options is geting stale for some, but I played the beta of D3 and it was one of the most underwhelming experiences I've had in years...

Did those of you who've tried it actually enjoy it?

Horde mode is definitely getting old. Had fun with this game but unless it's DLC time I fear my playing time is going to drop significantly.

[GiroX-]

Games are expensive man. I'll stick with my already paid for game.

[TheGorillaTickler]

Ha, I have a hard enough time splitting my time between ME3 and the crack that is Minecraft, now that its ported to 360.

[V_Davion]

not me, but I will play Max Payne 3 for sure