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[Kreidian]

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong. 


Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.


For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie. 


But the ME3 ending changed all that.


Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.


And I just don't care.


Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.


Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.


You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.


Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.


And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity. 


These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.


I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on. 
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.

[Gokuthegrate]

Agreed.

[Xerxes52]

Have to agree. After the ending I've pretty much taken a break from the ME universe.

Might get back into it again though, depends on the EC.

[Killer3000ad]

I know what you mean brother. I was all hyped for ME3 for months. I checked the forums everyday for the two months before release. I watched the trailers dozens of times. I did one final playthrough of ME1 and 2 a week before release. I had all my playthroughs prepped and ready to go. I had plans to replay ME3 the moment I'd done the first playthrough.

But after the ending and listening to Bioware's lame defense and excuses,'artistic integrity','we didn't expect this response' and then listening as mainstream game sites pour scorn on us, and finally hearing that Bioware would only clarify the endings and not actually invalidate them, I just gave up. ME 3 now sits unused on my hard drive, my galactic readiness probably decayed back to 50% long ago.

THe ending as it is just leaves me disinterested in the ME franchise. What's the effing point? EVeryone starves to death, the relays are gone, everyone is stranded where they are, EDI and the Geth are dead, my Shepard went from a fighter to some meek audience who blindly believes the horsecrap that Starchild spews forth with no protest. Now that I think about the endings, I find them sickening, utterly sickening that Bioware could crap this sort of garbage out on the fans.

I'll play the EC but I am done with Mass Effect. Won't be preordering any future Bioware titles, no sir. I'll be watching metacritic user scores before I ever touch a Bioware product again.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 14 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[deuce985]

I still care and I still call it THE sci-fi saga this generation

I'm not going to let 5 minutes ruin the feelings a entire franchise brought to me as I played through it.

I saw the ending as "leave it up to the imagination". People say that's lazy writing or taking shortcuts, I completely disagree. Shepard's ending gave many conclusions, as you're seeing on the forum. That's how a ending should be. Bioware had absolutely no way they could make a ending to satisfy everyone. It's our Shepard, therefore we all should have a different ending in our imagination. The ending doesn't have full closure because of that. They give you subtle hints to come up with your OWN conclusions. It's not a mainstream ending and I personally love it.

The hardest thing to write in a book, is the ending...

Modifié par deuce985, 14 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[SalsaDMA]

Somewhat related, I think the second to last panel in this comic illustrates pretty well the emotion.

[Atakuma]

That's pathetic.

[WhiteKnyght]

I don't care that you don't care.

ME3 is epic. Anybody who lets five minutes ruin an entire franchise for them is an extremely petty person.

Also for the record about that comic, only the red explosion at the lowest EMS kills everyone, other results only damage everything except organics or just target the Reapers and nothing else.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 14 mai 2012 - 08:18 .

[Azorgamer]

I never thought an ending to a game would destroy my interest in a series so completely...ME3's ending changed all that for me.

Sometimes it even surprises me how much I don't care about this series anymore. There's still a part of me that has hopes for the EC DLC and also hopes that they fix the EMS thing so that you can actually reach 4,000 EMS without doing Multi-player...but my confidence in them actually doing a good EC DLC and fixing the EMS...well let's just say I don't have much hope at all in that occurring.

[lillitheris]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

ME3 is epic. Anybody who lets five minutes ruin an entire franchise for them is an extremely petty person.

Anyone who claims that someone’s experience can’t be ruined thus is an idiot. Just like anyone who claims that everyone’s is.

…

I agree. The worst thing for BioWare isn’t a huge number of fans who care about the universe being up and arms about something.

The worst thing is if we stop caring. Or when.

[Ajx-]

@grey nayr

Last 5 minutes didn't ruin the previous games. I still think ME2 was better. It just, as the comic points out, makes them irrelevant. I have yet to go back to ME2 or ME3 campaign since beating 3. It may have ruined some of the replayability of the previous titles tho.

[Killer3000ad]

If I went into a restaurent and ordered a 3 course meal, and the appetizer and the main was wonderful but the dessert had rat dropping and gave me food poisoning, would I remember my trip to the restaurant for the appetize or main, or the dessert? Fact is the human mind is more likely to remember a bad experience over a good one and it's true.

I used to go to this fast food joint near my college years ago. I went there at least once a week. One day I got food poisoning from it, BAD poisoning. I ceased going there since. Whenever I pass by, the first thing that comes to mind was my food poisoning from eating there, not all the times I didn't get sick. ANd it's the same as ME. Whenever I think of ME, the first thing that comes to mind was the crap ending of ME3.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 14 mai 2012 - 08:22 .

[Grimwick]

Yes, this is a massive problem with the ending.

The other problem for me is that it even extends from the point of apathy - to that of heartbreak.
If you romance Garrus/Liara/Tali (for example) they all have lines about your future as a couple. You genuinely care about them and their interactions with Shepard. Liara's romance in LotSB and ME3 plays heavily on what the future holds for them, be it blue children or finding somplace peaceful. Tali's romance talks about that house on Rannoch and Garrus... well he's always cared for Shepard.

But Bioware not only ignores this entire concept, it goes furhter by killing any hope of their futures together. It just eradicates the idea that your character, and the characters you care about will be happy after ME3 - they won't be. It makes me feel far more depressed when Liara speaks about blue babies now I know they will never be.

Thanks for the knife in the heart, BW.

[tobiasks]

I agree, I really don't care about Mass Effect at the moment, even though I really try to force myself to, because I still love the universe. I hope EC will solve this, but I kinda doubt it.

[napushenko]

ah kreidian, champion of real mass effect, the bringer of light, hero of the universe, disapointed, disilusioned, choosed to live by his own code and never betrayed the things he stood out for.
alas, starchild was stronger. but starchild never understood that human resolve, resolve of sacrificing everything for a single idea.

brings tears to my eyes.

go kreidian, go. make it count.

[Atakuma]

It is unfortunate that bioware severely overestimated the emotional intelligence of it's audience.

[WhiteKnyght]

Ajx- wrote...

@grey nayr

Last 5 minutes didn't ruin the previous games. I still think ME2 was better. It just, as the comic points out, makes them irrelevant. I have yet to go back to ME2 or ME3 campaign since beating 3. It may have ruined some of the replayability of the previous titles tho.

It didn't ruin Mass Effect 3 either. You claim that Bioware ruined the ending when it's been revealed that the entire game was an ending. Everything Bioware claimed about the series conclusion was meant to apply to the entire game, not the last five minutes.

I cured the genophage and gave Wrex a chance to reform his people.

I made peace between the Quarians and the Geth and returned the formers to their homeworld.

I pounded Cerberus into the ground.

I completed my romance.

I learned the truth about the Reapers and made the decision to put them down and get out alive(if EMS is over 4000, only Reapers are hurt by the crucible, meaning EDI and the Geth are alright. Confirmed by Jessica Merizan and will more than likely be in Extended Cut.)

The Normandy's fate is interesting to wonder about. There were definitely oddities that imply its fate is not what we expected.(Normandy was already experiencing fires and systems failures while running, a weird hole in the blast of energy opens up behind the Normandy before it passes through, the Normandy is always relatively intact even with the ending that incinerates everything the energy touches.) Its a mystery to unravel that will be answered later.

My ending lasted 30 hours and was everything I was told it would be.

[napushenko]

i dont know, if someone burns itself screaming staaarchild in front of their company, maybe they will change the ending, even implement indocrination theory.. so, there is hope for humanity.

[Grimwick]

Atakuma wrote...

It is unfortunate that bioware severely overestimated the emotional intelligence of it's audience.

Cos flamebaiting is so cool, yeah.

[lillitheris]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

It didn't ruin Mass Effect 3 either. You claim that Bioware ruined the ending when it's been revealed that the entire game was an ending. Everything Bioware claimed about the series conclusion was meant to apply to the entire game, not the last five minutes.

Look, we have no problems understanding that you and some 20% of other players were fine with it. More power to you.

Do you understand that the rest of us weren’t? That it actually does ruin the series for some person who is not you?

[J0HNL3I]

agreed

[Repearized Miranda]

Apathy is worst than hate!

Ironic, coming from a game perspective where people wanted apathy (neutral responses, even though some apathetic ones were red), but game-wise, the red answers were worse than the 'green" ones (coming from the "blue" paragon perspective).

Seriously, if you hate something, you still care as much as when you like something. Hate =/= Apathy.

[LeBurns]

I agree. BioWarEA will only see if though if people stop buying their products. If the silent majority stops buying, that will get their attention.

[Eclipse merc]

Pretty much, I've lost a lot of the interest I had before I finished the game.

[WhiteKnyght]

lillitheris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

It didn't ruin Mass Effect 3 either. You claim that Bioware ruined the ending when it's been revealed that the entire game was an ending. Everything Bioware claimed about the series conclusion was meant to apply to the entire game, not the last five minutes.

Look, we have no problems understanding that you and some 20% of other players were fine with it. More power to you.

Do you understand that the rest of us weren’t? That it actually does ruin the series for some person who is not you?

Out of three and a half million sales worldwide, only about 60 or so thousand are making complaints about the ending, and you say we're the 20%?