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[Mylia Stenetch]

ShadowHawk141 wrote...

What I mean is that I will never pre-order a Bioware product again, I pre-ordered Me3 based on my experience with Me1 and Me2. And doing my homework regarding Me3 was worthless because they promised a whole lot more then they delivered.
And Bioware being proud of what they accomplished with Me3, maybe they are but I for one can't imagine being proud of an epic story that ended the way it did.

Game developers always say more than what it is in the game, they always need to make something more gand than what it is to bring intrest to people to look into the game. The industry is highly saturated with AAA games they need to pull out all the stops to get your attention. For your pre-order, fine, I never pre-order a game, cause usually when one comes out it is plagued with bugs and lots of other crap which will ruin an expierence of a game.

Also Bioware is proud of their game, they are proud that their brainchild has been able to been told and enjoied by the masses. With this pride though they do still need to show humility and they have with the annoucment of EC. It showed they take great pride in the work they do and their future products and try to have us in mind. If they decieded not to do this it would show pride and arrogance. That is the key difference, they are proud they told the story but showed humility that they did not do as well as they could.

I don't post here very often but the OP made a point that I agree with.
For the rest, I can't realy be bothered by what happens next to ME or Bioware.
If a good game comes out and users agree it to be good I'll buy it, if it's trash then I'll pass nomatter if its made by Bioware or someone else.

I am not saying your point it moot, your point is your point. I am just saying that this should not just be against Bioware, but all companies (gaming and alike). What you do with it, as what you are saying is your choice of the matter and will look closer into X game, which should be universal.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Lol I love how if the user reviews are good it's because it's a great game, but of they're terrible it's not indicative of the quality of the game but of review bombing. Excuses excuses.

-Polite

[Robbiesan]

Despite the ending I still enjoyed ME3's SP, and am still playing MP a lot.

I really do understand where so many are coming from, but to invalidate all that you did enjoy, based on parts you did not enjoy or understand, is a bit extreme. However, everyone if entitled to their opinions and emotional reactions. I have not given up on BW or ME yet. BW is learning from their mistakes, and honestly, compared to many games I've played, ME is one of the few that keeps me coming back.

[sparkyo42]

I have to agree with the OP, I was always happy to kill some spare time with ME 1 and 2, they were never off my PC since I bought them, but now I have no interest in any of them. As has been said before it's not just to god awful ending but also the numerous flaws throughout the game and the attitude that Bioware took in response. I'll watch the EC on you tube but I think that's about it for me.

I don't know if they truly did have intentions for another ME but I can't see the attraction of it.

[Adam1117]

Obviously care enough to still visit the forums and post. Yup, that's definitely the #1 sign of "Not caring."

[Raizo]

I wouldn't say that I stopped caring ( I wouldn't be here on this site everyday if I no longer cared ) but something went very, very wrong with ME3 and something inside of me died the day I finished ME3.

[Valikdu]

That's how I learned to stop caring and love Minecraft.

[AnubisOnly]

@Kreidian, sadly but I must agree with you :-(

[DashRunner92]

Same here. I don't care about the ME universe at all anymore :/ Which is sad because it was my favorite game lore.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 15 mai 2012 - 07:05 .

[DashRunner92]

Adam1117 wrote...

Obviously care enough to still visit the forums and post. Yup, that's definitely the #1 sign of "Not caring."

Not really? Just because people don't care about a game universe anymore, doesn't mean we can't continue discussing it. 

[MonkeyLungs]

Kreidian wrote...

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong. 


Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.


For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie. 


But the ME3 ending changed all that.


Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.


And I just don't care.


Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.


Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.


You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.


Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.


And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity. 


These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.


I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on. 
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.

I fully agree. Great post. I have been a big fan since ME1 and prior to the ending of ME3 I would have said Mass Effect was my favorite piece of fiction in years. That all changed after the ending.

I just mailed my collector's edition of ME2 and my copy of ME3 to Amazon for trade in this morning. I kept ME1.

I think I'm probabaly done buying Bioware games.

[Doctor Uburian]

I absolutely agree Kreidian. 

Personally, i will never accept the endings Case... Bioware has created for Mass Effect 3. They have betrayed the essence of the saga, a large part of their fanbase, and they don't really try fix it.
The real artistic spirit of Bioware was already lost long before Mass Effect 3 was created, but this final insult to real artist have prove that they have nothing else to offer.

This poem by Konstantinos P. Kavafis explains very well why Mass Effect 3's ending is absurd:

Ithaca 

When you leave for Ithaca,
may your journey be long
and full of adventures and knowledge.

Do not be afraid of Laestrigones, Cyclopes
or furious Poseidon;
you won’t come across them on your way
if you don’t carry them in your soul,
if your soul does not put them in front of your steps.

I hope your road is long.
May there be many a summer morning,
and may ports for the first time seen
bring you great joy.

May you stop at Phoenician marts,
to purchase there the best of wares,
mother-of-pearl and coral, amber, ebony,
hedonic perfumes of all sorts;
may you go to various Egyptian towns
and learn from a people with so much to teach.

Don’t lose sight of Ithaca,
for that’s your destination.
But take your time;
better that the journey lasts many a year
and that your boat only drops anchor on the island
when you have grown rich
with what you learned on the way.

Don’t expect Ithaca to give you many riches.
Ithaca has already given you a fine voyage;
without Ithaca you would never have parted.
Ithaca gave you everything and can give you no more.

If in the end you think that Ithaca is poor,
don’t think that she has cheated you.
Because you have grown wise and lived an intense life,
and that’s the meaning of Ithaca.



It is about the ending, of course, but if you destroy everything the journey has gave to you just before arriving to Ithaca, then, the meaning of the jouney is lost too.

Bioware could have done only two things to satisfactorily end Mass Effect 3: They could have created an open ended engame, so the Journey could continue, or they could have created an Homer finally returns to ithaca ending.

Instead, they destroyed everything the journey had gave to the Crew and Shepard, to us.

Hell i will not accept it, ever!

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 15 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[Valbruch]

I couldn't agree more.

[DaJe]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

ShadowHawk141 wrote...

What I mean is that I will never pre-order a Bioware product again, I pre-ordered Me3 based on my experience with Me1 and Me2. And doing my homework regarding Me3 was worthless because they promised a whole lot more then they delivered.
And Bioware being proud of what they accomplished with Me3, maybe they are but I for one can't imagine being proud of an epic story that ended the way it did.

Game developers always say more than what it is in the game, they always need to make something more gand than what it is to bring intrest to people to look into the game. The industry is highly saturated with AAA games they need to pull out all the stops to get your attention. For your pre-order, fine, I never pre-order a game, cause usually when one comes out it is plagued with bugs and lots of other crap which will ruin an expierence of a game.

Also Bioware is proud of their game, they are proud that their brainchild has been able to been told and enjoied by the masses. With this pride though they do still need to show humility and they have with the annoucment of EC. It showed they take great pride in the work they do and their future products and try to have us in mind. If they decieded not to do this it would show pride and arrogance. That is the key difference, they are proud they told the story but showed humility that they did not do as well as they could.

I don't post here very often but the OP made a point that I agree with.
For the rest, I can't realy be bothered by what happens next to ME or Bioware.
If a good game comes out and users agree it to be good I'll buy it, if it's trash then I'll pass nomatter if its made by Bioware or someone else.

I am not saying your point it moot, your point is your point. I am just saying that this should not just be against Bioware, but all companies (gaming and alike). What you do with it, as what you are saying is your choice of the matter and will look closer into X game, which should be universal.

Game developers don't have to lie to sell their product. The more honest a developer the better their reputation. Sure making some things sound more fancy than they are is normal but outright saying the opposite of what ends up in the game is not acceptable.

They are proud that the franchise gets so much recognition but ignore that a lot of that recognition is negative with ME3. They should have ended the franchise the way it deserved and be proud about the actual quality of the whole story.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

agreed

[Mr. Pockets]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

It didn't ruin Mass Effect 3 either. You claim that Bioware ruined the ending when it's been revealed that the entire game was an ending. Everything Bioware claimed about the series conclusion was meant to apply to the entire game, not the last five minutes.

Look, we have no problems understanding that you and some 20% of other players were fine with it. More power to you.

Do you understand that the rest of us weren’t? That it actually does ruin the series for some person who is not you?

Out of three and a half million sales worldwide, only about 60 or so thousand are making complaints about the ending, and you say we're the 20%?

Now I'm not exactly in love with such a horrible ending that bw treats like their baby - but I'm not necessarily standing with the people who are still complaining about it. I just want to point out that many people may have purchased ME3 compared to the fanboys and girls who log on to voice their disappointment... & other things less  admirable... But ME3 just looked freaking sweet. People buy and play COD to play online - but it's COD, there is no extended universe to be a fan of. ME has a running story line that sci-fi nerds drooled over. The player that purchases ME3 because it looks awesome, is not the same as the player who has a vested interest in the series. 

In summary my only point is, while largely I agree with you - you're comparing two seperate and non-comprable demographics here. I might play COD once in a while - but I don't love it, so I'm not going to be upset if the single player isn't an epic tale that I find truly satisfying, and I'm also not going to complain on Activision forums about how the p!$$ poor mannered players hurt my feelings.

On a note more consistent with the thread, It wasn't the ending I wanted. It was poeticly beautiful though - Shepard was always going to die, he's a man. How we feel about it doesn't matter anymore though, whether BW bows to the whims of hordes of outraged players and releases some extra content or not - it is written in stone. Or rather Data.  I do confess that for about two weeks now I've lost a little bit of interest in MP, since that's all that I've played since I beat SP... I find replaying the SP discouraging at best, and lack of variances in maps or game types on MP makes a little too monotinous too keep me glued to the screen lately.

All in all though, I do still love the ME universe, and plan on purchasing if necessary (BW develops video games, to sell them - it's capatilism, I can't understand demanding more free $h!7 than what they've already given us - when they didn't have to give us anything at all) upcoming DLC, they are my nerdy sci-fi-meth dealers - I've got the demand, and applaud the quality of the product they're selling. Even if I was butt hurt for a little while because I thought they shorted me on the last ounce I bought.

[Kanaris]

 DAMN that was a long ass read some of you people must be really long winded in RL given the walls of text I've had to read through. <_<

I wouldn't say that I don't care about the series but I can say I have more or less lost interest in playing it Prior to ME3 I played ME1 and ME2 more times then I care to cound trying out different choice combinations different Romances and now I can't even bring myself to launch any of the 3 games.

I am getting more enjoyment out of My F.E.A.R games now then I did out of ME3 

P.s. Hell even Kingdoms of Amalur is more fun atm.

Modifié par Kanaris, 15 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[Eterna]

At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation.

I must have missed the memo.

[N7Infernox]

http://tvtropes.org/...dAudienceApathy

The name of the game now.
And yes, I agree with OP. I've tried so hard to play ME2, one of my favorite games of all time (I loved that game so much that all other games suddenly became boring), but I feel like no matter what I do for my characters or Shepard or the races of the galaxy, everything will just blow up in the same way in the end. Mass Effect was not an exercise in futility; Shepard's allies deserved so much more.

[Anjeel]

napushenko wrote...

ah kreidian, champion of real mass effect, the bringer of light, hero of the universe, disapointed, disilusioned, choosed to live by his own code and never betrayed the things he stood out for.
alas, starchild was stronger. but starchild never understood that human resolve, resolve of sacrificing everything for a single idea.

brings tears to my eyes.

go kreidian, go. make it count.

After reading your posts in several threads, it is clear that you are nothing but a troll.

[TheGreenAlloy]

N7Infernox wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...dAudienceApathy

The name of the game now.
And yes, I agree with OP. I've tried so hard to play ME2, one of my favorite games of all time (I loved that game so much that all other games suddenly became boring), but I feel like no matter what I do for my characters or Shepard or the races of the galaxy, everything will just blow up in the same way in the end. Mass Effect was not an exercise in futility; Shepard's allies deserved so much more.

Yeah. Going through the trilogy again it feels as though we're figthing for a lost cause.

[Aurica]

Agreed. I just stopped caring as well.  Probably wouldn't buy any DLC or merchandise associated with ME... wait no.. in fact all EA and BW products and I have spreaded the word to my friends as well.

[napushenko]

Anjeel wrote...

napushenko wrote...

ah kreidian, champion of real mass effect, the bringer of light, hero of the universe, disapointed, disilusioned, choosed to live by his own code and never betrayed the things he stood out for.
alas, starchild was stronger. but starchild never understood that human resolve, resolve of sacrificing everything for a single idea.

brings tears to my eyes.

go kreidian, go. make it count.

After reading your posts in several threads, it is clear that you are nothing but a troll.

well thank you, its nice to know someone cares, but i could not help but be moved by this pathetic piece of sht the op message is. hit your soft spot much ? 

[Andromidius]

Seriously, troll harder. Still having people like you around just shows how moderators are more focused with locking topics they dislike then they are making sure people aren't being offensive to each other.

Thus continuing the trend of me not caring about their company anymore.

And why do I keep posting? Because I care about other former fans, and fans who are hurt by what happened.