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[napushenko]

You care, he dont cares, whats all this about caring ?
How hurt ? Emotionally hurt ? Like lock themselves into room and cry for days hurt ? Cause thats sure op sounded like. I mean op message.
You know thats pathetic. Thats not a insult, its a fact.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

That's...Actually true. It's shocking to me that I haven't finished a second playthrough, I replayed ME1 immediately after I finished 2 and then played 2 some more 5 times. I couldn't finish ME3 again, I stopped playing mp. Just moved on to some other games, having enjoying a lot the Assassin's Creed franchise. Also didn't bother to get the new comics.

Yep, I think they lost the IP to me. My second favorite gaming franchise just died a horrible unexpected death. I could be more sad, but I'm not. Not anymore. There are other good games out there. Your loss Bioware/EA.

[TomY90]

I do agree actually with this thread about it causing people to care less about the ME franchise.

For instance when ME2 came out I played it constantly for roughly two months and loved every second of it and know every line virtually off by heart for Male Shepard (had same experience with ME1 at one point) and constantly checked the internet for information on future DLC etc. I even recommended the game to many of my best friends and got them to love Mass Effect.

Now though I haven't played ME3 since completing it twice (wanted to make sure I did actually get the best ending, even though it didn't feel like it was) and left a void of my favourite games because its made the ME series unplayable, due to the ending.

this is especially annoying considering the only game franchise I can say I love is Mass Effect but can't experience it anymore thanks to the last 10 minutes.

Its especially bad considering when felt bored and wanted to go down memory lane and relax I used to play ME2, now I am constantly hunting for new games to satisfy my need, Max Payne 3 is next on my to buy list)

[Asari Goddess]

I feel bad that ME is losing it's good reputation. I bought ME 2 for ps3 and i had a blast (especially with kasumi's stolen memory DLC). I fell in love with that DLC even though it was a short loyalty mission but i still loved it. But when i heard all these things about the ending of ME 3 i was actually surprise that bioware would do such a thing i expected better from them. I didnt even finished ME 3 i usually play multiplayer. Also some how the appearance of my character looks better in ME2 then ME3.:blush:

I hope that Bioware does something to save the ME franchise.

Modifié par lmysterie, 16 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[Kreidian]

N7Infernox wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...dAudienceApathy

The name of the game now.
And yes, I agree with OP. I've tried so hard to play ME2, one of my favorite games of all time (I loved that game so much that all other games suddenly became boring), but I feel like no matter what I do for my characters or Shepard or the races of the galaxy, everything will just blow up in the same way in the end. Mass Effect was not an exercise in futility; Shepard's allies deserved so much more.

Haha, I gotta say, that Trope is PERFECT!

You read and just think, damn this is pretty much what's happening at the end of ME3.

[MonkeyLungs]

napushenko wrote...

You care, he dont cares, whats all this about caring ?
How hurt ? Emotionally hurt ? Like lock themselves into room and cry for days hurt ? Cause thats sure op sounded like. I mean op message.
You know thats pathetic. Thats not a insult, its a fact.

I like how bold you are using your account that is tied to your gamertag/originEA account .. oh wait.

[sim2er]

ME2 started to go downhill by retconning sooo much. It just destroyed the integrity of the universe that they worked so hard to build up in 1. ME2 was a great game with a great story, but it didn't *feel* like Mass Effect. Then along came the ME: Deception fiasco, and finally ME3's ending(s).

If BioWare doesn't care, then why should I? The tragedy is that BioWare does care, but that might be too little, too late. The DLC will make or break it, all I can do is sit back and wait.

[Noblewolf]

sim2er wrote...

ME2 started to go downhill by retconning sooo much.

Did you type that with your butt cheeks?

[Repearized Miranda]

Kreidian wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...dAudienceApathy

The name of the game now.
And yes, I agree with OP. I've tried so hard to play ME2, one of my favorite games of all time (I loved that game so much that all other games suddenly became boring), but I feel like no matter what I do for my characters or Shepard or the races of the galaxy, everything will just blow up in the same way in the end. Mass Effect was not an exercise in futility; Shepard's allies deserved so much more.

Haha, I gotta say, that Trope is PERFECT!

You read and just think, damn this is pretty much what's happening at the end of ME3.

Ditto! But who honestly want to be around Misery (and I don't mean the film with Kathy Bates) although that's how this forum is acting! (Can't you just see it?)

[JKA_Nozyspy]

Killer3000ad wrote...

If I went into a restaurent and ordered a 3 course meal, and the appetizer and the main was wonderful but the dessert had rat dropping and gave me food poisoning, would I remember my trip to the restaurant for the appetize or main, or the dessert? Fact is the human mind is more likely to remember a bad experience over a good one and it's true.

I used to go to this fast food joint near my college years ago. I went there at least once a week. One day I got food poisoning from it, BAD poisoning. I ceased going there since. Whenever I pass by, the first thing that comes to mind was my food poisoning from eating there, not all the times I didn't get sick. ANd it's the same as ME. Whenever I think of ME, the first thing that comes to mind was the crap ending of ME3.

I absolutely 100 % agree with this. I remember when i was young i had some vanilla ice cream and felt something weird and unpleasent in my mouth. I opened my mouth and pulled out a little bit of paper. That tiny little thing caused me to dislike vanilla ice cream from there on.

deuce985 wrote...

I still care and I still call it THE sci-fi saga this generation

I'm not going to let 5 minutes ruin the feelings a entire franchise brought to me as I played through it.

I saw the ending as "leave it up to the imagination". People say that's lazy writing or taking shortcuts, I completely disagree. Shepard's ending gave many conclusions, as you're seeing on the forum. That's how a ending should be. Bioware had absolutely no way they could make a ending to satisfy everyone. It's our Shepard, therefore we all should have a different ending in our imagination. The ending doesn't have full closure because of that. They give you subtle hints to come up with your OWN conclusions. It's not a mainstream ending and I personally love it.

The hardest thing to write in a book, is the ending...

I respectfully disagree. All Bioware needed to do to satisfy everyone was just have different endings. Then all the renegades and paragons, tali and liara lovers, the people that wanted a happy ending and those that wanted to control the reapers could have had an ending which meant something to them. That is the main advantage with games, because they are interactive you can have different endings, you cant really do that in a film or book.

Heck it took me no more than 30 mins whilst sat on the toilet one day to construct a mental 'DLC ending tree' based on the IT theory which took into account various major decisions like who you saved and what colour ending you picked and had a whole set of epilogue scenes which showed what happened to all the main characters, the different fleets, how many people died, what the Crucible did and what happened to Shep/Sheps body.

i.e Save the Geth ---> Pick 'Synthesis' ---> Harbinger hijacks your mind and digs out  knowledge of fleet defence protocals ---> Harbinger uses them to cripple the Geth Fleet ----> Take Garrus and Ash on final team ---> Harbinger has ravaged your mind, you die ---> Garrus pulls your body away from beam while Ash goes in and activates Crucible --->  Reapers destroyed but at great cost

Or, Save Geth AND Quarians ----> Pick 'Synthesis' ---> Harbinger hijacks your mind and digs out knowledge of fleet defence protocals ----> harbinger tries using this to cripple Geth Fleet but the Quarians rally and help stop Cyber Warfare attacks on the Geth ---> Light losses --->Take Garrus and Ash on final team ---> Harbinger has ravaged your mind, but you survive---> Garrus pulls you unconcious away from beam while Ash goes in and activates Crucible ---> Reapers destroyed with only moderate losses.

For decisions like Destroy and Control  you would use decisions like saving or destroying the collector base or whether the council survived ME1 (they can help rally the fleets - fewer losses).

I had a whole set of these for every one of the three options and all the major decisions, and i thought up that while sat on the toilet. So i dont feel it should have been difficult for an entire writing team, im not some kind of literary genius afterall.

What you said about drawing your own conclusions: Inception did it right with the ' is he still dreaming?' bit at the end. It did it right because it did not introduce more questions than had been answered. It only introduced ONE question 'is he still dreaming?' and that was left to the audience, the rest of the plot points in the movie had all been wrapped up by then. In ME3 the ending introduced more questions in the last 5 mins than had been answered int he preceeding 50-150 hours. Which is not the way to do it!

Just my two pennies anyway!

[The Anti-Saint]

Kreidian wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...dAudienceApathy

The name of the game now.
And yes, I agree with OP. I've tried so hard to play ME2, one of my favorite games of all time (I loved that game so much that all other games suddenly became boring), but I feel like no matter what I do for my characters or Shepard or the races of the galaxy, everything will just blow up in the same way in the end. Mass Effect was not an exercise in futility; Shepard's allies deserved so much more.

Haha, I gotta say, that Trope is PERFECT!

You read and just think, damn this is pretty much what's happening at the end of ME3.

Interesting what an ending can do to ones perception of a story. I am not one for their artsy-fartsy approach to that ending...could have been a little less "out there" with the delivery, but that is just me. I would rather have gone out in the blaze of stardust...and had no part of that little conversation with starbrat; a little more ground pounding and a little less attempt at mindfracking.

Funny...when I think of the ending for ME3...I think of Bram Stoker's Dracula with a Twilight ending...just did not seem to fit. Oh well. My curiosity will keep me caring just enough to see how this all really ends with that EC DLC.

Modifié par The Anti-Saint, 16 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[CARL_DF90]

It's just that a lot of people have written Bioware and Mass Effect off after the ME3 debacles. I used to be one of those people who used to say, "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" And now? The trust and faith that people once had for them and their products is gone and a lot seem to think with a "why bother?" mentality because they think it no longer matters, like the endings. The general attitude I've seen from a lot of fans is, "Bioware does not listen or care, so why should we?" Sad state of affairs to be sure. I haven't totally written Bioware off yet, although I am less trusting of them now than I used to. The EC will be Bioware's one last chance to win over a lot of those people, myself included. If they fail at that, then fan support will continue to bleed away. Heck, I've met more than a few people who knew nothing about the series have a, "wtf?" moment at the mistakes that have been made. And I am not even going to get started on the Deception debacle. Oy.

[ChildOfEden]

Agreed.

[CARL_DF90]

The general vibe I'm getting is not only the jumping to conclusions about the EC, but a general loss of trust of faith that I described earlier.

[Alikain]

This is where i say you are wrong. its not that people don't care, i do care considering all that they were told was going to happen didn't. the same can be said for star wars when George Lucas pull the fast one about the midi-chlorians bull about microscopic life-forms that reside within the cells of all living things and communicate with the force. any true fan will not accept that. same can be said for mass effect when fans was disappointed about not just the ending of the game but so much question went unanswered.

[Repearized Miranda]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

It's just that a lot of people have written Bioware and Mass Effect off after the ME3 debacles. I used to be one of those people who used to say, "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" And now? The trust and faith that people once had for them and their products is gone and a lot seem to think with a "why bother?" mentality because they think it no longer matters, like the endings. The general attitude I've seen from a lot of fans is, "Bioware does not listen or care, so why should we?" Sad state of affairs to be sure. I haven't totally written Bioware off yet, although I am less trusting of them now than I used to. The EC will be Bioware's one last chance to win over a lot of those people, myself included. If they fail at that, then fan support will continue to bleed away. Heck, I've met more than a few people who knew nothing about the series have a, "wtf?" moment at the mistakes that have been made. And I am not even going to get started on the Deception debacle. Oy.

Ain't irony a you know what? Though I agree, folks need to take a step or 100 steps back. MAybe then the vitrol will die down some. BW is obviously under alot of pressure - no need to put them under anymore!

The general vibe I'm getting is not only the jumping to conclusions about the EC, but a general loss of trust of faith that I described earlier. 

Also, ironic because and not slamming them and knowing how PR works: it's odd since it's essentially a press conference.

They said more than necessary whether or not it was spin; now, they're keeping quiet. Yet, if they hadn't said too much from the start. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are responding, but it does more harm than good when too much is said first, then you decide to dail it down later.

You know that saying and probably a couple more related to this.

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 16 mai 2012 - 07:59 .

[Bigdoser]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Somewhat related, I think the second to last panel in this comic illustrates pretty well the emotion.

This comic is full of win.

[GreyWardenNathan]

The problem is by the time the ec comes out a lot of people will have just left the game. and ic it is just extra cutscenes some people wont play the game again and just watch them on youtube etc

[KBomb]

Repearized Miranda wrote...


Ain't irony a you know what? Though I agree, folks need to take a step or 100 steps back. MAybe then the vitrol will die down some. BW is obviously under alot of pressure - no need to put them under anymore!

Also, ironic because and not slamming them and knowing how PR works: it's odd since it's essentially a press conference.

They said more than necessary whether or not it was spin; now, they're keeping quiet. Yet, if they hadn't said too much from the start. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are responding, but it does more harm than good when too much is said first, then you decide to dail it down later.

You know that saying and probably a couple more related to this.

 
While I agree with you about the vitriol-- no one should resort to venom, threats, name calling etc—I cannot say I agree with you about keeping them under pressure.


This isn't a kid who is getting poor grades. This is a company who releases a product and only by keeping them under pressure by fans, will they (hopefully) strive to do better. Companies should know when their consumer base is dissatisfied and imo, companies should never be given a 'get out of jail free' card. In doing so, they undermine their product by cutting corners and mediocre standards.


Mass Effect isn't a piece of art I purchased in a gallery for visual stimulation. It's a product I purchased as a consumer for the purpose of entertainment. I expect that product to be of the highest standard and as a consumer, I feel it isn't. If I purchase it and find it just isn't for me (not the genre I enjoy, not being able to understand the mechanics, etc) that's different, but if I purchase it and the quality is not up to par with what was promised, then the company should be held accountable for that and the pressure should stay on until they rectify it. In my opinion, if Bioware doesn't start answering some questions and addressing these issues, a loss of fans is going to be the least of their problems.


Mind you, this all isn't directed at you. This is mostly a general address, except for the pressure thing.

[DaJe]

GreyWardenNathan wrote...

The problem is by the time the ec comes out a lot of people will have just left the game. and ic it is just extra cutscenes some people wont play the game again and just watch them on youtube etc

If the EC is what I think it is, some cut scenes that show squadmates or former allies in battle and what happens after the blue/red/green bang then I will just watch it on youtube. The ending would still suck thematically, defy logic and the morality of the franchise and ignore prvious choices so what's the point.

That is what ME3 comes down to me now "What's the point?"

Modifié par DaJe, 16 mai 2012 - 11:28 .

[Steffeomanno]

Killer3000ad wrote...

I know what you mean brother. I was all hyped for ME3 for months. I checked the forums everyday for the two months before release. I watched the trailers dozens of times. I did one final playthrough of ME1 and 2 a week before release. I had all my playthroughs prepped and ready to go. I had plans to replay ME3 the moment I'd done the first playthrough.

But after the ending and listening to Bioware's lame defense and excuses,'artistic integrity','we didn't expect this response' and then listening as mainstream game sites pour scorn on us, and finally hearing that Bioware would only clarify the endings and not actually invalidate them, I just gave up. ME 3 now sits unused on my hard drive, my galactic readiness probably decayed back to 50% long ago.

THe ending as it is just leaves me disinterested in the ME franchise. What's the effing point? EVeryone starves to death, the relays are gone, everyone is stranded where they are, EDI and the Geth are dead, my Shepard went from a fighter to some meek audience who blindly believes the horsecrap that Starchild spews forth with no protest. Now that I think about the endings, I find them sickening, utterly sickening that Bioware could crap this sort of garbage out on the fans.

I'll play the EC but I am done with Mass Effect. Won't be preordering any future Bioware titles, no sir. I'll be watching metacritic user scores before I ever touch a Bioware product again.

You just spoiled the entire ME3 game for me.

[Repearized Miranda]

KBomb wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...


Ain't irony a you know what? Though I agree, folks need to take a step or 100 steps back. MAybe then the vitrol will die down some. BW is obviously under alot of pressure - no need to put them under anymore!

Also, ironic because and not slamming them and knowing how PR works: it's odd since it's essentially a press conference.

They said more than necessary whether or not it was spin; now, they're keeping quiet. Yet, if they hadn't said too much from the start. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are responding, but it does more harm than good when too much is said first, then you decide to dail it down later.

You know that saying and probably a couple more related to this.

 
While I agree with you about the vitriol-- no one should resort to venom, threats, name calling etc—I cannot say I agree with you about keeping them under pressure.


This isn't a kid who is getting poor grades. This is a company who releases a product and only by keeping them under pressure by fans, will they (hopefully) strive to do better. Companies should know when their consumer base is dissatisfied and imo, companies should never be given a 'get out of jail free' card. In doing so, they undermine their product by cutting corners and mediocre standards.


Mass Effect isn't a piece of art I purchased in a gallery for visual stimulation. It's a product I purchased as a consumer for the purpose of entertainment. I expect that product to be of the highest standard and as a consumer, I feel it isn't. If I purchase it and find it just isn't for me (not the genre I enjoy, not being able to understand the mechanics, etc) that's different, but if I purchase it and the quality is not up to par with what was promised, then the company should be held accountable for that and the pressure should stay on until they rectify it. In my opinion, if Bioware doesn't start answering some questions and addressing these issues, a loss of fans is going to be the least of their problems.


Mind you, this all isn't directed at you. This is mostly a general address, except for the pressure thing.

I got'cha! However, I do think fans need to lower their expectations a little bit and it's very low for many regarding the EC DLC. Heck, some say that's possibly the "free pass" (no pun intended). The anger, sadness, apathy os gettong the better of some people though.

And that's also a general statement.

[Repearized Miranda]

Steffeomanno wrote...

Killer3000ad wrote...

I know what you mean brother. I was all hyped for ME3 for months. I checked the forums everyday for the two months before release. I watched the trailers dozens of times. I did one final playthrough of ME1 and 2 a week before release. I had all my playthroughs prepped and ready to go. I had plans to replay ME3 the moment I'd done the first playthrough.

But after the ending and listening to Bioware's lame defense and excuses,'artistic integrity','we didn't expect this response' and then listening as mainstream game sites pour scorn on us, and finally hearing that Bioware would only clarify the endings and not actually invalidate them, I just gave up. ME 3 now sits unused on my hard drive, my galactic readiness probably decayed back to 50% long ago.

THe ending as it is just leaves me disinterested in the ME franchise. What's the effing point? EVeryone starves to death, the relays are gone, everyone is stranded where they are, EDI and the Geth are dead, my Shepard went from a fighter to some meek audience who blindly believes the horsecrap that Starchild spews forth with no protest. Now that I think about the endings, I find them sickening, utterly sickening that Bioware could crap this sort of garbage out on the fans.

I'll play the EC but I am done with Mass Effect. Won't be preordering any future Bioware titles, no sir. I'll be watching metacritic user scores before I ever touch a Bioware product again.

You just spoiled the entire ME3 game for me.

A few moments of disappointment now or what feels like an eternity later? The EC being referred to is suppose to clear all of this up because "it doesn't happen." However, it may or may not go over well with some either.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

It's just that a lot of people have written Bioware and Mass Effect off after the ME3 debacles. I used to be one of those people who used to say, "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" And now? The trust and faith that people once had for them and their products is gone and a lot seem to think with a "why bother?" mentality because they think it no longer matters, like the endings. The general attitude I've seen from a lot of fans is, "Bioware does not listen or care, so why should we?" Sad state of affairs to be sure. I haven't totally written Bioware off yet, although I am less trusting of them now than I used to. The EC will be Bioware's one last chance to win over a lot of those people, myself included. If they fail at that, then fan support will continue to bleed away. Heck, I've met more than a few people who knew nothing about the series have a, "wtf?" moment at the mistakes that have been made. And I am not even going to get started on the Deception debacle. Oy.

Ain't irony a you know what? Though I agree, folks need to take a step or 100 steps back. MAybe then the vitrol will die down some. BW is obviously under alot of pressure - no need to put them under anymore!

wtf dude