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[TK EL_]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

The general vibe I'm getting is not only the jumping to conclusions about the EC, but a general loss of trust of faith that I described earlier.

Its hardly jumping to conclusions when they have already stated that they are not actually changing anything, just explaining and extending what is alread there. 

[KevTheGamer]

agreed if it wasn't for multiplayer I wouldn't play Mass Effect 3 at all. It went from being my favorite series of all time to a big WTF in my book. I don't even want to play ME 1 or 2 anymore because I know at the end none of what I did in the first 2 games matter for ME 3 in the end. I thought early the ending would be epic and couldn't wait to see it. The genophage story the quarian/geth story, everything happening on horizon was great epic even. Its even great when you come back to Earth to fight the Reapers and that is awesome. Everything goes to **** once Harbinger hits you with that beam. I might have been ok if the game ended with you getting hit by that beam and then them telling you whats up. I would have been even happier to have not been hit with that beam in the first place and make it to the citadel with a good chance of winning the right way. Wait now that I think about it the climax with the Illusive Man and Anderson was great too. So really its after Shepard passes out and meets the Catalyst that I do not like. Its just very disappointing. They should have left the game alone rather than trying to change it after the script leaked. Let those who read the script suffer from not being surprised don't take that out on me a person who did not read it because I wanted to experience it

[Repearized Miranda]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

It's just that a lot of people have written Bioware and Mass Effect off after the ME3 debacles. I used to be one of those people who used to say, "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" And now? The trust and faith that people once had for them and their products is gone and a lot seem to think with a "why bother?" mentality because they think it no longer matters, like the endings. The general attitude I've seen from a lot of fans is, "Bioware does not listen or care, so why should we?" Sad state of affairs to be sure. I haven't totally written Bioware off yet, although I am less trusting of them now than I used to. The EC will be Bioware's one last chance to win over a lot of those people, myself included. If they fail at that, then fan support will continue to bleed away. Heck, I've met more than a few people who knew nothing about the series have a, "wtf?" moment at the mistakes that have been made. And I am not even going to get started on the Deception debacle. Oy.

Ain't irony a you know what? Though I agree, folks need to take a step or 100 steps back. MAybe then the vitrol will die down some. BW is obviously under alot of pressure - no need to put them under anymore!

wtf dude

I get how the angst got Deception tweaked. I said irony because looking at the word "Deception" itself. Guess what folks are accusing the team of with ME3? Just that! 

They said, "'No A, B, C,' but look what we got!" or "The big choices made little to no difference!" though otherwise was stated. Take Back Earth! Really?" IOW, broken promises if you will.

Now, most have the idea of: "No explanation can erase what you did (or didn't do)" With this preconceived notion due to the experience, things may not end well.

People either need to be civil or apathetic - not ticking timebombs.

[thebobafettest]

I completely agree. Mass Effect had become my new favorite franchise. I have countless playthroughs, i've purchased and read the books and comics. I dropped my hard earned cash on every DLC for both Mass Effect 1 and 2, as well as the ME3 collectors edition. I visited the forums here and elsewhere for weeks, if not months leading up to release. And in 10 minutes, all of that was gone.

It wasn't just the absurd and franchise developing ending. It wasn't just how the writing in certain areas lacked the previous quality. It wasn't just the apathetic, if not near-hostile and dismissive reaction from certain BW and media individuals.

It was the fact that I honestly believe that BW thought it was a master stroke of an ending. I've thought about this often, and I think I'll make a thread on it soon, but I honestly think that they thought they had it. A great ending. But, alas, it was not.

[What a Succulent Ass]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

They should have left the game alone rather than trying to change it after the script leaked. Let those who read the script suffer from not being surprised don't take that out on me a person who did not read it because I wanted to experience it

The endings in the script were identical to those in the release.

[CARL_DF90]

thebobafettest wrote...

I completely agree. Mass Effect had become my new favorite franchise. I have countless playthroughs, i've purchased and read the books and comics. I dropped my hard earned cash on every DLC for both Mass Effect 1 and 2, as well as the ME3 collectors edition. I visited the forums here and elsewhere for weeks, if not months leading up to release. And in 10 minutes, all of that was gone.

It wasn't just the absurd and franchise developing ending. It wasn't just how the writing in certain areas lacked the previous quality. It wasn't just the apathetic, if not near-hostile and dismissive reaction from certain BW and media individuals.

It was the fact that I honestly believe that BW thought it was a master stroke of an ending. I've thought about this often, and I think I'll make a thread on it soon, but I honestly think that they thought they had it. A great ending. But, alas, it was not.

Plus, you have to figure the whole thing just felt rushed. Like they ran out of time, or most likely out of ideas in the time they had. Nothing felt like it was lovingly crafted, checked, and rechecked like some of the other main missions were. It was just something that felt thrown together and left you with a general impression of, "the hell with it!" If and I am stretching the word, IF they truly did not expect the negative reactions from this debacle then they have truly lost touch with not only the fanbase, but with their very own work and universe.

[Shotokanguy]

I haven't been able to do anything since beating the game but think about how things could've gone differently. Different plot points and character arcs, gameplay ideas, things that would've just worked better.

[CARL_DF90]

Yeah, I feel ya' bro'.

[clipped_wolf]

Empathize with you OP.
At least BSN is worth a few chuckles a couple times a day.

[PinkDiamondstl]

 People are still whining about the ending get on with your lives people...

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 17 mai 2012 - 06:29 .

[CARL_DF90]

Heh, funny but I think you missed the point my friend.

[TiminatorT2000]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 People are still whining about the ending get on with your lives people...

But your whining about the people who are whining,imo that's worse.

[PinkDiamondstl]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 People are still whining about the ending get on with your lives people...

But your whining about the people who are whining,imo that's worse.

No..............I came I saw and now I'm leaving.

[Pcmag1]

Agreed, I used to search the net for every piece of information I could to expand what I know about ME universe. Now it is just pointless. As you said it, why bother we all know it is for naught. (Someone said to me that we all die and therefore should not bother living. I do not despise sacrifice of Shepard, but the ending as a whole.)
I am not whining, because I don't even care what they do next. They want to explain, well you can rationalize poop all you want, it will still be a poop. When they said that there will be no new ending and IT is "Something they did not expect".
I come here every now and then hoping that they will announce something magnificent but deep inside I am fine both ways.
DA2 was weak, SWTOR is lazy (end game content(lack off)), ME3 ... well I think my opinion is clear. Only sad thing is that I used to pre-order everything they used to release.

Modifié par Pcmag1, 17 mai 2012 - 07:20 .

[packardbell]

All great things must come to an end.

[The Anti-Saint]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...
No..............I came I saw and now I'm leaving.

TOO late! Your whine has been registered with the United Whiners Association of Earth!  

Modifié par The Anti-Saint, 17 mai 2012 - 07:26 .

[Clearly Balkan]

Quick look on the Manifest.

Yeah, you said it right; "whiney entitled" rant of a noob.

[CmndrFisher]

The big question, I suppose is, Does EAWare care that you don't care? Me thinks not. Other than a bit of lipservice here and there (and really redundant at best) they have shown no interest in the loyal (not so loyal anymore) fanbase~unless you are a MP~. They seem to refuse to even acknowledge our concerns. The longer they keep their silence on the issues, the deeper the hole they dig for themselves when it comes to fans staying by their side.

Modifié par CmndrFisher, 17 mai 2012 - 07:51 .

[Benny8484]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 People are still whining about the ending get on with your lives people...

Whining about people whining?  Whats worse?  If you have nothing to contribute move along.  Great post OP.  At the end of the day thats basically what it boils down to.  I think there are alot of people that agree with you.  I'm skeptical as to what Bioware can do with the EC that could fix it unless a complete retcon but I'm optimistic.

[Noelemahc]

Sorry for the quotewall, but it's necessary for context and my web access is sporadic at best and I almost forgot I even posted in this thread >_<

napushenko wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...


The trick is that the people that have been around since ME1? We're offended that its events were retconned or rendered moot (at best) by the ending.

The people drawn in by ME2? Their LIs have been mistreated for the most part, the cool stuff that ME2 had drawn them in with is mostly absent from ME3.

The newcomers? Why they should be sticking around? The story they get is absurdly depressing FROM THE VERY START, unlike that the imported characters get. It's like an exercise in mental masochism.

 

its you, not WE. 

and how can someone say that there are no consequencs in this game (i bet you are one of those) when at the same time you said that non-imported characters get a different story. logic much ? 

Note that I did not say "there are no consequences in this game". I said "our decisions in ME1 are rendered moot by the ending". I'm afraid you must troll harder or learn to read.

I admit, ME3 does a lot of continuity porn specifically tailored to ME1 imports, and some of it is even good (people keep telling me the Conrad Verner stuff is good, but I am on my third playthrough and he is yet to appear despite, after some coaxing of replays, forcing him to do so in ME2, he's the focal point of save import errors of the series, it seems; so the highest point thus far was Balak... and Intai'Sei, even if I couldn't land there for no justifiable reason), but the fact remains that every word said in the ending renders Sovereign either as a total idiot and traitor to his own race, or as a plot hole that was conveniently forgotten about. A sizeable, half-the-game-sized plot hole with very raggedy edges.

Which is symptomatic of the entire ending of the game - for an ending of the trilogy, it goes out of its way to NOT finish up the dangling plot threads, opting instead to add umpteen new ones, some of which in the very last gorram cinematic. It's not a trilogy ending that way, people, it's a cliffhanger. You do not do these things and then say "it's the definitely final ending that will not be altered".

OK, fine, you do not do that unless your name is Hideo Kojima, because everyone knows you will totally make seven more sequels some of which deal with these plot threads on a "one thread per game" basis and spin them into epic separate stories which will then tie in neatly with the metaplot. Is Casey Hudson's name Hideo Kojima?

[Kidd]

Yeah, the negativity I've spewed is definitely the dying cries of my love for the series. Is it still a good series? For 99.5% of the series, it really darn is. But it leaves us on such a horrible note that... ugh.

I wanted to see every announcement thread and get this feeling of glee when I read them. I enjoyed that. I liked counting down the days to the new DLCs, not to mention ME3. I liked waiting for the books to arrive in my mail box. Everything was so full of utter, stupid love and it was amazing. Now we've got Homeworlds #1 out already, soon #2, and I've not read a single page. Haven't picked it up yet either. Don't feel that itch to. I wish I did but I didn't. I bought tons of shirts and stuff, action figures... I feel no need to add to them.

I don't want this feeling. I want to love cause loving blindly was absolutely fantastic. That's why I will hope for the EC, no matter how much I may feel like saving the ending through expansion is impossible. If the EC can get my love back, or at least a part of it, that's a huge win. I -want- to care! I wanna buy **** without thinking twice and smile when I unbox them, damnit.

[CmndrFisher]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Yeah, the negativity I've spewed is definitely the dying cries of my love for the series. Is it still a good series? For 99.5% of the series, it really darn is. But it leaves us on such a horrible note that... ugh.

I wanted to see every announcement thread and get this feeling of glee when I read them. I enjoyed that. I liked counting down the days to the new DLCs, not to mention ME3. I liked waiting for the books to arrive in my mail box. Everything was so full of utter, stupid love and it was amazing. Now we've got Homeworlds #1 out already, soon #2, and I've not read a single page. Haven't picked it up yet either. Don't feel that itch to. I wish I did but I didn't. I bought tons of shirts and stuff, action figures... I feel no need to add to them.

I don't want this feeling. I want to love cause loving blindly was absolutely fantastic. That's why I will hope for the EC, no matter how much I may feel like saving the ending through expansion is impossible. If the EC can get my love back, or at least a part of it, that's a huge win. I -want- to care! I wanna buy **** without thinking twice and smile when I unbox them, damnit.

I feel like I should hug ya and pat your back and say "there, there, this bad feeling will end someday..." ...then discreetly look away and imagine raising my fist and shouting.."see what you have done, Bioware...for shame"...then pat your backa again and say hussshhhhh!

[Kidd]

CmndrFisher wrote...

I feel like I should hug ya and pat your back and say "there, there, this bad feeling will end someday..." ...then discreetly look away and imagine raising my fist and shouting.."see what you have done, Bioware...for shame"...then pat your backa again and say hussshhhhh!

Some paragon interrupt hugs would be nice!