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[Kyda]

napushenko wrote...

Do you know what happened to characters after ending in every other game you play ? 
Besides, i dont think bioware would left it just like that if they dont have some kind of expansion in plan. You cant make an expansion if the letters say they lived happily everafter. 

I dont play many other games. To be completely honest I play RPG solely for the story, for me it´s like reading a book where I get to be the main character. Then I play mostly Bioware games (sadly I don´t find many other games where I can play a female character that are also RPGs) because they are really good ones.
That being said I am ok with not knowing what happened to them if there is an expansion coming, or a dlc post ending or if they are supposed to continue the story afterwards (like they did with the other ME games where you didn´t have any extra news about them). It is the fact that it "ends" the trilogy what gives me the feeling I earned the right to know what happened next to the people I care about.
I am actually waiting for the EC to fill the blanks and if it does then I can live with it.... I can think of 2 games that left me this "not know what happened to them" feeling and it was NWN2 (the OC) and KoTOR 2 (both from Obsidian) and none of them had a good ending in my opinion. BG2 on the other hand gives you the epilogues after those 2 (or 4 if you add the expansions) games and that´s a hell of a game that will be remember for a long time 

[PinkDiamondstl]

 Now that I have read OP's post . He may have some good points but I believe that BioWare knows what they are doing .

[DatIrishFella]

I agree, I don't care for the game anymore and I really don't care what DLC they release. Mass Effect 3 just feels like a re-boot of the series, I guess David Silverman wasn't kidding when he said that, I still love and play Mass Effect 1 and 2 whenever I have time, but I have zero interest in going back to Mass Effect 3.

And not because of the ending. Countless things are bad about it. It's soooo disheartening. Ah well, I'll still have the first two installments.

=D

[someone else]

OP has it right - burn out here and even the forums are getting pointless.

MP is ok, but its not the gig i signed up for - its relevance to ME is non-existent and its impact on SP diminishes everytime you promote a character - eventually will not be needed at all for SP

I too would have evangelized anyone who'd listen about the wonders of ME - no more

maybe the BG series is worth playing?

[Ghost-621]

Why do you think I've stopped bothering to post here?

There is just no point to play Mass Effect anymore. None. The ending did in fact ruin it for me, knowing that after the 100+ hours and $160+ I've invested into the series, I receive a preverbial "screw you" from BioWare. I don't care what the EC does, it won't fix the poorly-written, ultra-linear, and rushed mess that Mass Effect 3 as a whole was. Nor will it fix BioWare insulting me as a fan by saying that "I just don't understand."

EDIT: By the way, I'm just going to take the opportunity to say that in the months leading up to the release of ME3, I was right on every turn. It was actually amusing to see the very same people who vehemently opposed me suddenly switch sides.

Now, onto the topic of posting in the BSN. From what I've seen if you're not a fan of the story, you are prone to labeling as a "bad fan," or any of the other pathetic insult attempts that we've seen over the past few months. I've decided I'm finished wasting my time pointing out how wrong BioWare worshipers/drones really are, because deep-down, they already know it, and so do we. No amount of "Shepard deserves better fans" banners or "hurr look at mai smart chart" from fourm-battle-charts.com will change the truth. You can't call me a bad fan because I'm not blind or submissive enough to see BioWare's crappy writing and unethical business. You "better fans" can keep living in your cave, labeling and spitting your bile at anyone who disagrees with your skewed perception of reality, but you're doing nothing but further proving to everyone else how wrong and ignorant you all really are.

Report this post like a good doggie if you want that special treat. I don't care.

The OP is right. I just don't care anymore.

Screw BioWare and their "artistic integrity," which is really a testament to their overall lack of integrity. Screw the drones, keep on humping that leg, but you're not getting a special treat for, like I said, being a good doggie.

That is all.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 17 mai 2012 - 08:51 .

[From Tuchanka with Love]

 The opposite really. People WON'T stop caring, they'll keep moaning.

[GameKillerFT]

Its the money, Good games were Star Wars BattleFront series Sepreme Commander One, Fable 1, all the older more player, for the player, games, not heres a game give us money. MP fine SP fine, but where do we get what we payed for. Rights are gone.

[KBomb]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 Now that I have read OP's post . He may have some good points but I believe that BioWare knows what they are doing .
*snip*

How classy.

[grifter024]

Kreidian wrote...

 







And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity. 

An sadly these same people that don't care at all for the franchise, that finish the game and say "Time to pop in some MW3/COD4/BLOPS/Halo:Reach and own some noobs," that don't 100% the game at all and just rush through the game, that probably don't even have multiple saves let alone have all 3 games are the ones that Bioware began going after and dumped the hardcore diehard have multiple saves, multiple Sheps, multiple different endings (Outside of 3) so easily for.

I loved this franchise up until the point that Bio gave up on us and tried to go for a different fanbase. They deserve what those MW3/COD4/MW2/BLOPS/Gears/KZ2/KZ3/UC2/UC3/Halo3/Halo:Reach give them...and that is 1 playthrough and them selling the game back to gamestop or wherever they bought the game from.

[Zeroth Angel]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

ME3 is epic. 

No.

[DOsquareZER]

Why does the ending get all the ''glory'' for this fiasco? That was just the repeated kicking in the gut after getting knocked down from playing most of the rest of the game. And that buy more DLC screen was the condescending spit that landed in my bloodied face as my attacker walked away.
Ive never gotten this worked up about a game before... its weird. and sad.  at the same time.

But i agree with OP.  Im simply at the point where Im about to stop caring (which is, yea, a damn shame).  I don't see how future DLC or this proposed EC: Operation Patch Job can redeem this game.

Modifié par doozer12, 18 mai 2012 - 01:58 .

[Zarovtich]

I agree with OP, i'd played the first two numerous time but, in my opinion, the ending kill the franchise and a "clarification" will not save the game. Apart the ending, ME3 have numerous problems (autodialogue, fetchquest etc...), it's just an average game, nother more, nothing less.

i'm a member of the "silent majority" and i don't care to know what is the "IT", i don't care bying DLC and i'm not a mulpilayer fan...

I was here to see how the PR department manage the backlash (i'm a PR instructor and i take bioware exemples (DA2 an ME3) to make a "NEVER DO THAT !")

[Metalrocks]

cant agree more. i havent touched the game since i have finished it. i dint even bother to install the first 2 games on my new pc because the ending is so bad that makes playing the first 2 pointless. i dint even want to install ME3 on my new pc but i want to see how the EC will be. sure no high hopes though.
really a shame where this went. i really dont give a damn about DLCs or anything ME related. not only they gave have us the worst ending in history of gaming, no, they still slap us with an insulting message to buy DLCs.
thats like offering you toys and stuff for your recently deceased dog.

[RaggieRags]

Many of us know casual fans of the series who have lost interest in ME. We are still here because we are more than just casual fans, but there's a lot of people out there whose opinion on the series has been soured for good. The ME3 ending and Bioware has become a meme-like bad joke in several non-Bioware gaming boards I visit.

[clipped_wolf]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 Now that I have read OP's post . He may have some good points but I believe that BioWare knows what they are doing .

Becoming a cautionary tale to other developers is not a noble goal.

[jeff359]

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I bought the other DLCs because I liked the other games. If bioware doesn't care to put effort to ensure a basic level of quality in their product why would i continue to purchase their products.

[napushenko]

clipped_wolf wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 Now that I have read OP's post . He may have some good points but I believe that BioWare knows what they are doing .

Becoming a cautionary tale to other developers is not a noble goal.

so company who made the game which leads top selling charts by double in past month is a cautionary tale ? 

[FlamingBoy]

napushenko wrote...

clipped_wolf wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 Now that I have read OP's post . He may have some good points but I believe that BioWare knows what they are doing .

Becoming a cautionary tale to other developers is not a noble goal.

so company who made the game which leads top selling charts by double in past month is a cautionary tale ? 

put it in prespective mate, sales of the video game, while extremely important, hardly count as a success. for example mass effect 3 sold about 3 million units many of these copies were sold on false promises (such as my case, this is subjective however), now we have 3 million sold, but how many were returned? We do not know because bioware will not release this information (granted it is not common practice for companies to release such information).

Lets keep in mind that ME3 had no real competition that month

Bioware sacrficed there public trust in order to sell more units than they could have gotten with a sub-par product. This is a subjective perception, and while you might not agree with it, it does not make it any less true or false.

[Cainne Chapel]

I'm as big a mass effect fan as anyone (probably even more than most...) and oddly, The ending, as lame as it was, has not deterred my love or enjoyment of the series (or even replaying the game multiple times, on playthrough #8 right now).

I do understand some peoples complaints I guess, but it just seems silly to me to think that way honestly.

But to each his own. I personally still love the series as much as I did when I beat 1 and 2.

[Cainne Chapel]

FlamingBoy wrote...

napushenko wrote...

clipped_wolf wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 Now that I have read OP's post . He may have some good points but I believe that BioWare knows what they are doing .

Becoming a cautionary tale to other developers is not a noble goal.

so company who made the game which leads top selling charts by double in past month is a cautionary tale ? 

put it in prespective mate, sales of the video game, while extremely important, hardly count as a success. for example mass effect 3 sold about 3 million units many of these copies were sold on false promises (such as my case, this is subjective however), now we have 3 million sold, but how many were returned? We do not know because bioware will not release this information (granted it is not common practice for companies to release such information).

Lets keep in mind that ME3 had no real competition that month

Bioware sacrficed there public trust in order to sell more units than they could have gotten with a sub-par product. This is a subjective perception, and while you might not agree with it, it does not make it any less true or false.

Sure some have may been returned FB, but like you said companies dont release that information so why does it even matter?  How many copies of Witcher 2 were returned? Or Skyrim? Or call of duty? how many were traded in for money at gamestop? or Best buy? etc?

That information doesn't matter to us the consumer, why? because no gaming company EVER has released said information so why is it even a concern?

Bottom line, outside of a few issues and people feeling the ending wasn't up to THEIR specifications, ME3 was a great game.  (of course dont forget ME1 and 2 had their own share of problems and detractors as well).  So I see no reason to blow things out of proportion and say the game was sold on false information.  it wasn't sold on false info to me, nor were any of the ones preceding it.

[napushenko]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I'm as big a mass effect fan as anyone (probably even more than most...) and oddly, The ending, as lame as it was, has not deterred my love or enjoyment of the series (or even replaying the game multiple times, on playthrough #8 right now).

I do understand some peoples complaints I guess, but it just seems silly to me to think that way honestly.

But to each his own. I personally still love the series as much as I did when I beat 1 and 2.

that is my opinion too. id understand it somehow if people who hate it also hated me 2 but thats not the case and me 2 & 3 have almost identical gameplay and story composition with cinematics etc. 

[napushenko]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

napushenko wrote...

clipped_wolf wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 Now that I have read OP's post . He may have some good points but I believe that BioWare knows what they are doing .

Becoming a cautionary tale to other developers is not a noble goal.

so company who made the game which leads top selling charts by double in past month is a cautionary tale ? 

put it in prespective mate, sales of the video game, while extremely important, hardly count as a success. for example mass effect 3 sold about 3 million units many of these copies were sold on false promises (such as my case, this is subjective however), now we have 3 million sold, but how many were returned? We do not know because bioware will not release this information (granted it is not common practice for companies to release such information).

Lets keep in mind that ME3 had no real competition that month

Bioware sacrficed there public trust in order to sell more units than they could have gotten with a sub-par product. This is a subjective perception, and while you might not agree with it, it does not make it any less true or false.

Sure some have may been returned FB, but like you said companies dont release that information so why does it even matter?  How many copies of Witcher 2 were returned? Or Skyrim? Or call of duty? how many were traded in for money at gamestop? or Best buy? etc?

That information doesn't matter to us the consumer, why? because no gaming company EVER has released said information so why is it even a concern?

Bottom line, outside of a few issues and people feeling the ending wasn't up to THEIR specifications, ME3 was a great game.  (of course dont forget ME1 and 2 had their own share of problems and detractors as well).  So I see no reason to blow things out of proportion and say the game was sold on false information.  it wasn't sold on false info to me, nor were any of the ones preceding it.

The haters cant do anything except overdramatize things. Ending was a stinker. Game wasnt, and to somehow prove to us and themselves that its bad we get words like ruining young peoples lives, clinical depression, insomnia, false promises, etc. And when they have something objective to hold on,  it can be easily discarded because me 2 had identical gameplay mechanisms.
Maybe they didnt like me 2 too, but it was established that me 3 will be created in me 2 style so there was no false promises whatsoever. 

Things like that your decisions dont count is stupid because they count more then in ME 2.  Especially in  narrative and influence on some major decisions like genophage and geth / quarians war.
If anyone wants to prove me wrong, be my guest, i would like to hear some serious arguments. 
They shout  "Witcher 2 !"  like example of storyline influence on gameplay but ME  1 & 2 never had such storyline branching whatsoever.   

Modifié par napushenko, 18 mai 2012 - 02:50 .

[MsKlaussen]

Grimwick wrote...

Yes, this is a massive problem with the ending.

The other problem for me is that it even extends from the point of apathy - to that of heartbreak.
If you romance Garrus/Liara/Tali (for example) they all have lines about your future as a couple. You genuinely care about them and their interactions with Shepard. Liara's romance in LotSB and ME3 plays heavily on what the future holds for them, be it blue children or finding somplace peaceful. Tali's romance talks about that house on Rannoch and Garrus... well he's always cared for Shepard.

But Bioware not only ignores this entire concept, it goes furhter by killing any hope of their futures together. It just eradicates the idea that your character, and the characters you care about will be happy after ME3 - they won't be. It makes me feel far more depressed when Liara speaks about blue babies now I know they will never be.

Thanks for the knife in the heart, BW.

This resonates well with me. I immediately felt the same thing, and didn't (and still don't) understand how anyone could have difficulty figuring out why this is a dealbreaker for many people. That is, if anything was invested into the characters and story by the player at all.

The all roads lead to Rome approach to the ending pretty much makes everything that came before it implying additional possibilities, nonsensical. Sort of just busywork. Filler. Honestly what was the point of such amazing work tracking and using the entire history of Shepard's romances throughout the previous two games, as well as additionally validating said romances half way through the third, if Shepard is hard coded to be dead no matter what and unable to continue with anybody? I understand that love isn't guaranteed to last for anybody anyway, but nobody I know faced with the option of a hard coded life would opt to live it through rather than simply fast fowarding to the punchline.

Variety, the unknown, the desire for causation, and the limits of time are the spice of life. They are what gives life meaning and what gives mortality/humanity value. Without that, there is no point in striving. Shepard's character, and her story, cannot exist under the assumption that failure is inevitable. She would not have started a journey she knew at the outset could never be finished.

This is an extinction level event happening here. Like a supernova happening as close as the moon. How many heroes of any persuasion, knowing the exact date and zero percent survivability of the incident, would still be running around trying to look busy stopping it? How many would instead be spending every minute living life to the fullest with those they care about? Which would any of you be doing?

[woodbyte]

Kreidian wrote...
And I just don't care.

Same. There's no escaping apathy for this franchise now.

[AzuraAngellus]

/Agree with OP