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[StElmo]

AlanC9 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
 I tried to do a second playthrough but I just couldn't get into it after knowing "all" the endings are pretty much gonna be the same, which results in the same out come anyway

How come having all the endings look very much alike didn't bother people who played BG1, BG2, NWN, KotOR.... etc.?

Played Kotor and Dragon Age, both of which I really liked, the ME3 ending pissed me off tho. So your observation is moot.

Modifié par StElmo, 22 mai 2012 - 02:44 .

[csmokey]

I cant play rpg games like I used to, I tried to play ME 1 and find myslef after 5 mins shutting it off, the last game I played that I enjoyed is Walking Dead episode 1, cant wait for episode 2, but thats the only one I play that I enjoy at least I know The Walking Dead wont let me down

[BadboyDk78]

csmokey wrote...

I cant play rpg games like I used to, I tried to play ME 1 and find myslef after 5 mins shutting it off, the last game I played that I enjoyed is Walking Dead episode 1, cant wait for episode 2, but thats the only one I play that I enjoy at least I know The Walking Dead wont let me down

aya, i had another char in the mid me2 gameplay. but have not bothered to play it since i completed me3...

[Akaranz]

I agree. I just don't care about ME anymore, if the EC turns out to be good then I might, or if a new game in the future that's a sequel might make me interested again too.

[brfritos]

Andromidius wrote...
Many of us expected Shepard to die.  But we also expected choices to matter, and for Shepard to go down fighting.
Instead, we got no choice at all and Shepard went down with a wimper of obedience to his/her mortal enemy's command.

Not mine, if the price to stop the Reapers is the galaxy going back to stone age if you believed a Tweeter note or being destroyed to the last planet, as the game states itself in his own documentation and lore, so be it.
The galaxy goes down, becaue my Shepard didn't care about the Starbrat.

Siripho wrote...

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to find a forum where I can tell everyone how **** the formerly epic Jaws has been since Ellen Brody drove a ship into a plastic fish in the fourth one...

Good Lord, you watched "that" thing???!!!

I can only recommend you Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus, this surelly is a gem.

[AlanC9]

StElmo wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
 I tried to do a second playthrough but I just couldn't get into it after knowing "all" the endings are pretty much gonna be the same, which results in the same out come anyway

How come having all the endings look very much alike didn't bother people who played BG1, BG2, NWN, KotOR.... etc.?

Played Kotor and Dragon Age, both of which I really liked, the ME3 ending pissed me off tho. So your observation is moot.

I was asking a question, not making an observation. Do you have an answer for me? You have exactly the perspective I'm looking for, since the only difference between the endings in KotOR was a couple of different cutscenes.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 mai 2012 - 02:56 .

[crazyrabbits]

AlanC9 wrote...

I was asking a question, not making an observation. Do you have an answer for me? You have exactly the perspective I'm looking for, since the only difference between the endings in KotOR was a couple of different cutscenes.

Player expectation. There is no hard evidence beyond anecdotes that people who liked the earlier games were predisposed to like ME3's ending.

That said, the whole Mass Effect series (especially the sequels) is predicated on player choice and differing circumstances. Regardless of whether you think the ending is good or bad, most of what comes before it has no bearing on anything besides a tally number, despite promises that "your choices would matter".

[Ramus Quaritch]

I've only done one playthrough of ME3. That's it. I've already seen everything. No reason to play it anymore. Also, I have no reason to go back and finish my other playthroughs of the first and second games because those choices don't matter.

[Artemis_Entrari]

AlanC9 wrote...

I was asking a question, not making an observation. Do you have an answer for me? You have exactly the perspective I'm looking for, since the only difference between the endings in KotOR was a couple of different cutscenes.

I can answer for myself only, but it boils down to this.  Yes, in KOTOR the ending you get only boils down to a couple of different ending cutscenes, but they both gave me a satisfying view of what my actions for my character resulted in.

Light Side ending, it was an homage to Star Wars: A New Hope's ending, with the medal ceremony.  Therefore satisfying since it "fit" with the universe.  Dark Side ending was very Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith-like, in that you (Revan) had a massive armada before you ready to command.

Both gave satisfying conclusions for how I played my game.  Either I come away the hero and get acknowledged as one (Light Side), or I come away as this powerful bad guy with a massive fleet at my disposal to unleash on the galaxy (Dark Side).  In both cases, I have a sense of what the state of the galaxy is after my actions, and what part I played in them.

Mass Effect 3, I didn't get any of that.  I have no idea how my actions affected the galaxy or what state I left the galaxy in.

[Grubas]

AlanC9 wrote...

I was asking a question, not making an observation. [...] .since the only difference between the endings in KotOR was a couple of different cutscenes.

2 Months ago i just finished ME2. Which set the standard for what is possible. My choices influenced the entire ENDGAME, not just the cutscenes. This why ME3 fails so big, despite having a better buildup towards the Endgame (which starts, i asume with the attack on the illusive man´s base. 

Was i wrong to expect at least something similar of ME3?


 

[.458]

I never ran into ME before ME3, so the story generally doesn't bother me (although I agree the ending sucked). But I also stopped caring as soon as I found out how little the business behind it cared. Quality is just absolutely terrible, and it isn't the quality of animations or graphics...it's the quality of how the business goes about destroying its credibility by cutting corners on bug fixes. And on how there is no response from BW that gives any indication that they will ever improve quality. Even with the ending they had, and even if it had been great, nobody wants to deal with bugs and bad treatment.

[Andromidius]

Grubas wrote...
Was i wrong to expect at least something similar of ME3? 

No you aren't.  Especially since we were told we'd get that and more with ME3.

But then we got told a lot of things.  PR spin at its very worst.

I love the game ME3 was advertised to be, the game it should have been.  I have a feeling of disappoint and faint sickness when I think about what we really got.

.458 wrote...

I never ran into ME before ME3, so the story
generally doesn't bother me (although I agree the ending sucked). But I
also stopped caring as soon as I found out how little the business
behind it cared. Quality is just absolutely terrible, and it isn't the
quality of animations or graphics...it's the quality of how the business
goes about destroying its credibility by cutting corners on bug fixes.
And on how there is no response from BW that gives any indication that
they will ever improve quality. Even with the ending they had, and even
if it had been great, nobody wants to deal with bugs and bad treatment.

Very true.  Adding on existing fans' annoyance at the treatment of the series, and this sums up why we're all angry or apathetic to the whole situation.

Modifié par Andromidius, 22 mai 2012 - 06:28 .

[mopotter]

MatCat wrote...

Going back to the beginning of this thread, comparing ME to Star Wars is a good analogy for me. I'm still a huge Star Wars fan, not quite the ME fan I was before the end of ME3. I'm sorry, I know the end shouldn't ruin the saga for me, but it does. I can't say that I would be the star wars fan I am today if it ended with Luke grabbing the Emperor and hurling the both of them into the Death Star core, followed by the Death Star exploding, taking down half of the rebel fleet and the forest moon with Han and Leia on it. That would be the Star Wars ending equivalent with what we got in ME3. That is why ME went from epic to meh.

Yes.  Plus having Luke remember those who didn't make it through the last movie.  

I LOVED ME1 with Shepard coming out of the wreckage;  I enjoyed ME2 with Shepard standing by the coffins and nodding to the survivors.  I was sadly disappointed with all 3 endings which were, yes meh, and a letdown.  

Maybe if I had never played any of the other games and didn't have anything to compare it with it would not have been such a disappointment, but I did have comparisons and it was a big disappointment.  

There were many things good about the game and a lot that was a letdown, almost as if they had gotten bored with the whole Shepard's individual story based on player choices and just wanted it over.   

[.458]

Andromidius wrote...

Grubas wrote...
Was i wrong to expect at least something similar of ME3? 

No you aren't.  Especially since we were told we'd get that and more with ME3.

But then we got told a lot of things.  PR spin at its very worst.

I love the game ME3 was advertised to be, the game it should have been.  I have a feeling of disappoint and faint sickness when I think about what we really got.

.458 wrote...

I never ran into ME before ME3, so the story
generally doesn't bother me (although I agree the ending sucked). But I
also stopped caring as soon as I found out how little the business
behind it cared. Quality is just absolutely terrible, and it isn't the
quality of animations or graphics...it's the quality of how the business
goes about destroying its credibility by cutting corners on bug fixes.
And on how there is no response from BW that gives any indication that
they will ever improve quality. Even with the ending they had, and even
if it had been great, nobody wants to deal with bugs and bad treatment.

Very true.  Adding on existing fans' annoyance at the treatment of the series, and this sums up why we're all angry or apathetic to the whole situation.

I think apathetic is also a good description of the business people in charge. Somehow they seem to be from bulk manufacturing industries, thinking they should improve costs by trimming the software reliability, not fixing bugs, so forth...like the car may last 5k miles less. The business people are running the business into the ground, and I strongly suspect contract deadlines and completely ignorant concepts are being used to dictate what is developed. I see pieces of genius in this game, both story and technical. What I don't see is grabbing it and using it to make it a real success, but instead riding on the past.

[Gemini1179]

I'm in the "no longer care" group. Mildly curious to see the reaction to the EC, but probably won't bother downloading it.

[Link Ashland 614]

People just don't care? I disagree, they only care about what they want for themselves.

[Ecrulis]

crazyrabbits wrote...

*snip*

It is nowhere close to art. The ending gave us:

- on Earth, a ridiculous new concept that had never been hinted before in the narrative (that heavy weapons are apparently capable of taking out Spider-Reapers)
- a "final battle" that consists of horde mode in single-player, coupled with ridiculous circumstances
- a new character introduced who introduces a totally new conflict and resolves it in 14 lines of dialogue
- a main character who rolls over and lets said new character dictate to him/her what s/he should do
- a villain (Illusive Man) who wanted to sell humanity out for a bit of power, negating his characterization in the previous game
- an ending (Synthesis) that relies on a ridiculous concept in order to work
- the wonky Normandy crash sequence, and crewmembers mysteriously reappearing on the ship

You see what I mean? I would care less if it had a "Hollywood ending" (what a stupid term) or not if it wasn't so poorly written, from both a gameplay and story perspective.

You forgot about Space Grandpa Scene which potentially nullifies every thing that has happened in the trilogy period.

[.458]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

People just don't care? I disagree, they only care about what they want for themselves.

At level 20, that would mean only the money waves matter. I still rescue people, I still work hard for full extraction. Experience does not matter. Has anyone went out of their way to rescue you? If so, you just found a flaw in your argument. True, what they want for themselves is the start of their motivations, but sometimes realizing what you want for yourself is how you learn compassion for what other people feel. Like the right click in single player story selection, I think the business people do not have a right mouse button, and do not have any compassion...considering the story line has meaning to people in this game, they are hurting themselves financially with what they probably think is the best way to profit. This is how one would lose support in single player, this is how you destroy your company/business in real life.

Modifié par .458, 22 mai 2012 - 07:47 .

[MichaelSD]

Agreed. There is nothing left in the ME universe to care for. They blew it up and that is it.

[Grimwick]

Ecrulis wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

*snip*

It is nowhere close to art. The ending gave us:

- on Earth, a ridiculous new concept that had never been hinted before in the narrative (that heavy weapons are apparently capable of taking out Spider-Reapers)
- a "final battle" that consists of horde mode in single-player, coupled with ridiculous circumstances
- a new character introduced who introduces a totally new conflict and resolves it in 14 lines of dialogue
- a main character who rolls over and lets said new character dictate to him/her what s/he should do
- a villain (Illusive Man) who wanted to sell humanity out for a bit of power, negating his characterization in the previous game
- an ending (Synthesis) that relies on a ridiculous concept in order to work
- the wonky Normandy crash sequence, and crewmembers mysteriously reappearing on the ship

You see what I mean? I would care less if it had a "Hollywood ending" (what a stupid term) or not if it wasn't so poorly written, from both a gameplay and story perspective.

You forgot about Space Grandpa Scene which potentially nullifies every thing that has happened in the trilogy period.

And don't forget how it completely ignores your emotional attachment to the characters in-game and leaves you confused and depressed.

[Darkstorne]

I have played Mass Effect 1 four times. Mass Effect 2 twice. And Mass Effect 3 once. I was fully intending to play Mass 3 a second with my FemShep Adept, and then start a new FemShep character to play as an Infiltrator, from Mass 1 all the way through to Mass 3...

But after the ending I got with my main Shep, I can't help thinking "what's the point?" It's not so much the fact that the whole galaxy is screwed afterwards. It's mainly that no matter what choices I make along the way, no matter how radically different to my previous characters, it will always end exactly the same way. The best part about the series for me was the choices, and feeling that they really mattered. Now it's just any other RPG series, but with a bitter after taste when you think back the days when you were excited to see where your choices took you.

What a shame =(

Modifié par Darkstorne, 22 mai 2012 - 08:26 .

[AlanC9]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I was asking a question, not making an observation. Do you have an answer for me? You have exactly the perspective I'm looking for, since the only difference between the endings in KotOR was a couple of different cutscenes.

I can answer for myself only, but it boils down to this.  Yes, in KOTOR the ending you get only boils down to a couple of different ending cutscenes, but they both gave me a satisfying view of what my actions for my character resulted in.

Light Side ending, it was an homage to Star Wars: A New Hope's ending, with the medal ceremony.  Therefore satisfying since it "fit" with the universe.  Dark Side ending was very Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith-like, in that you (Revan) had a massive armada before you ready to command.

Both gave satisfying conclusions for how I played my game.  Either I come away the hero and get acknowledged as one (Light Side), or I come away as this powerful bad guy with a massive fleet at my disposal to unleash on the galaxy (Dark Side).  In both cases, I have a sense of what the state of the galaxy is after my actions, and what part I played in them.

Mass Effect 3, I didn't get any of that.  I have no idea how my actions affected the galaxy or what state I left the galaxy in.

This makes it sound like Bio has it right with the EC's direction -- the problem is not seeing the effects of your final choices. Assuming that's what they mean by "clarification."

[Fraq Hound]

Wrong.

The real tragedy is that a large group of individuals poured their heart and soul into creating an amazing Franchise. Then (I'm presuming) watched in horror as a small group of jaded individuals forced the most foul and unsatisfying conclusion that I have ever witnessed upon it and tainted the entire thing.

I presume that because I cannot conceive of a reality where the people who made the other 99% of Mass Effect saw that ending and DIDN'T flip their ****. It's so jarringly at odds with the rest of the product that, If I didn't know any better, I would think it had been outsourced.

To a company of third graders. From another dimension. Populated entirely by evil doppelgangers.

Seriously though. People not caring about ME or Bioware's other products, is not a tragedy. It's exactly what needs to happen. Otherwise we are doomed to relive this bull**** over and over again.

(Edit) Example: Dragon Age 2 crapped it's pants in the final moments too guys. Now with ME3 it's becoming the norm for Bioware.

Personally, I'm not signing up for another dose. Once I see proof that their next title is up to snuff, then I'll drop my money on it. There is no way in hell I'm pre-ordering another Bioware product as things stand now.

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 22 mai 2012 - 08:54 .

[loungeshep]

The drama is strong with this thread.

[Elite Midget]

Many have stopped caring already. The forums have been moving extremely slow lately and the only thing remaining seems to be the strange MP crowd trying to see who has a larger epeen score. I personally have no faith in Bioware anymore, wont buy anymore EA products, and I just come here for nostalgia.