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[napushenko]

non caring going strong. 


 

[TheRealJayDee]

Andromidius wrote...

Grubas wrote...
Was i wrong to expect at least something similar of ME3? 

No you aren't.  Especially since we were told we'd get that and more with ME3.

But then we got told a lot of things.  PR spin at its very worst.

I love the game ME3 was advertised to be, the game it should have been.  I have a feeling of disappoint and faint sickness when I think about what we really got.

I love it when people defending ME3 and Bioware tell me I was wrong to expect exactly what ME was promised to be, because "it's just not what Bioware does". Yeah, obviously it's not what Bioware does, I just think it sucks that they told me different things and got me extremely hooked about the whole trilogy because of it. I won't make the mistake on taking them on their word again.

[Artemis_Entrari]

AlanC9 wrote...

This makes it sound like Bio has it right with the EC's direction -- the problem is not seeing the effects of your final choices. Assuming that's what they mean by "clarification."

On one hand, yes.  If BioWare actually comes through and gives me satisfying endings through the EC that reflect my decisions in the game, then that's a big step.  For example, if I play a heroic Shepard I better not get the same ending as you do with a jerk Shepard, just because we both selected "Destroy".  The cinematics should reflect how I played as a goody goody, and you played as a jerk.

On the other hand, it's difficult for the EC to improve upon, and make more sense of, the sudden appearance of the Starchild, when 99% of the series never even hinted at such an "important" character.  I think the EC would have to be out of this world good to kind of erase the "WTF" moment of the Starchild section of the game.  In KOTOR, there wasn't a moment right at the end where I had to pause and go, "Wait ... what?  What just happened and who is this?".  People can maybe criticize the KOTOR endings as simplistic or cliched, but at least they were consistent with the rest of the game.

[napushenko]

What if EC hints at ME 4 where we fight the starchild as the main force of destruction in galaxy. Some unparallel ai with godly capabilities, forever alone and forgotten by his makers, bla bla bla.

I think it would be a smash hit considering how many people just wants to shoot him.

And then at the end of ME 4 you become StarShepard. Earth would burn.

[kalle90]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

It didn't ruin Mass Effect 3 either. You claim that Bioware ruined the ending when it's been revealed that the entire game was an ending. Everything Bioware claimed about the series conclusion was meant to apply to the entire game, not the last five minutes.

Look, we have no problems understanding that you and some 20% of other players were fine with it. More power to you.

Do you understand that the rest of us weren’t? That it actually does ruin the series for some person who is not you?

Out of three and a half million sales worldwide, only about 60 or so thousand are making complaints about the ending, and you say we're the 20%?

Talking about apathy. Out of the 3,5 million atleast 1 million probably bought the game because of the hype, played it through and thought "Meh" or "It's pretty good" and were done with it. Just like with every other big release. And how many are just playing the multiplayer, without really caring for the SP part, until the next wave of big releases come. Or how many were skeptical about ME3, played it and laughed at it knowing they shouldn't have bothered, and were done.

How many are praising the ending? Not many, it looks like way less than 20%.. Sure you can say they're playing and enjoying the game instead of wasting time talking about it.  But even those online matches have plenty of people going on about how bad the ending was "thank god there's multiplayer".

3,5 million copies and 60 000 complainers doesn't mean 290 000 are perfectly happy with the ending. The majority are quiet, not bothering to comment either way. To me that makes the 60 000 (wherever you pulled that number) very notable, that many actually bothered to state their discontent against the 1000-10000 who are satisfied.

I loved Dead Rising but I didn't bother to preach about it. I hated Dead Space 2 but I didn't bother to preach about it.

Modifié par kalle90, 22 mai 2012 - 10:42 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Actually, there is statsitics about how many people doesn't complain for every who does, and with 60 000 people it is really big.

[BadboyDk78]

I really enjoy the MP. But i agree with u all about the ending, i had 5 diffrent chars, all from me1.

In me1 and me2 i had the urge to play it many times over coz it was so freaking cool.

me3 i played once....

[Enundr]

i know ive pretty much thrown my ME3 in the back of my closet where it wont be seen again (sadly im actually serious about this) , that was a poor ending in the fact that there was little to no real variation save for the color. im disheartened from even touching anything more in ME much less anything else like DA3 whenever that comes out. sad cause i wasnt part of that crowd that hated the reused areas for DA2 , i noticed them but they didnt bother me that badly. but if this is the kind of quality of an ending we can expect from games now and upcoming , then ill just pass on them. =\\

[Alerithon]

I returned mine before launching the end mission. I'm watching to see what the EC does for the game. For me to pick it back up, 2 things have to happen: First, EMS has to be untied from getting all ending choices. I'm only interested in the SP game, and if that alone will not be enough for me to access all ending content, without any DLC, I have zero interest in supporting that as a business move for games. Second, the ending has to make sense. That doesn't mean it has to be good, or end happy. It just has to make some kind of sense. Right now, it doesn't. There are so many questions about the ending..."lots of speculation..." I don't want speculation, I want an ending.

Until then, yeah, I don't care about the entire series. I have 4 Shepherds across ME and ME2. I had high hopes to play all of them to their completion, and thanks to Bioware's pre-release hype, I had anticipated getting different endings for all of them. I'm not holding on to that hope any longer.

[BadboyDk78]

60,000+ fans wants ME3 new ending
some have adreesed it here by clkikking "like"

I dont care if i have to pay to get a good ending, i have invested so much in me1 and me2 i would pay to get the dlc so i could think back on my chars and say "yes" i did it

Modifié par BadboyDk78, 23 mai 2012 - 01:07 .

[The Spamming Troll]

bioware needs to sell the mass effect franchise to someone who knows what they are doing.

/thread.

[TieRantaSaurusWrex]

Sadly, this is true.

I've started playing WoW again because of this game

[UFGSpot]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I learned the truth about the Reapers and made the decision to put them down and get out alive(if EMS is over 4000, only Reapers are hurt by the crucible, meaning EDI and the Geth are alright. Confirmed by Jessica Merizan and will more than likely be in Extended Cut.)

Can I get secondary confirmation on this? It's the first I'd seen of it

[Rip504]

Op I don't care.

[Thargorichiban]

UFGSpot wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I learned the truth about the Reapers and made the decision to put them down and get out alive(if EMS is over 4000, only Reapers are hurt by the crucible, meaning EDI and the Geth are alright. Confirmed by Jessica Merizan and will more than likely be in Extended Cut.)

Can I get secondary confirmation on this? It's the first I'd seen of it

Where the heck has this been stated?

[IsleySilverlord]

This is somehow... true. Hadn't though about it, but I gave up playing Mass Effect the moment I finished the game, and lost interest. Suddenly. I was waiting for the game to be released to do several replays, experience every little bit detail, talk to everyone. But I have zero interest now. Honestly, I could have never expected something like this. BioWare games have always been a *Religion* to me, and now I'm an atheist.

[Tonymac]

I see no point at all in any DLC or continuation of Mass Effect after ME3 whatsoever, unless its multiplayer.

The developers took no cares or concerns to the ending of ME3 - to them it was a 'close the book' type of issue. Fan cares and concerns were not given one iota of consideration. Shepard was left raped and destroyed while his best friend flew off with his chick to knock boots in some tropical paradise.

If thats not Casey Hudson's and Mac Walter's way of giving the 'helicopter trick' to their fans - then I don't know what is. Shepard was disgraced by the devs and writers, plain and simple. When you commit such an action, along with flipping us the bird and saying '"artistic integrity", you cannot expect fan support - we are no longer fans. There can be no trust you would not commit the same atrocities again.

I would rather see this company fail and be dissolved than invest time, money, and concern like I did with ME1 and 2. They don't care enough to even allow for the choice of survival - and I am not about the extend the same consideration to them.

[napushenko]

Tonymac wrote...

I see no point at all in any DLC or continuation of Mass Effect after ME3 whatsoever, unless its multiplayer.

The developers took no cares or concerns to the ending of ME3 - to them it was a 'close the book' type of issue. Fan cares and concerns were not given one iota of consideration. Shepard was left raped and destroyed while his best friend flew off with his chick to knock boots in some tropical paradise.

If thats not Casey Hudson's and Mac Walter's way of giving the 'helicopter trick' to their fans - then I don't know what is. Shepard was disgraced by the devs and writers, plain and simple. When you commit such an action, along with flipping us the bird and saying '"artistic integrity", you cannot expect fan support - we are no longer fans. There can be no trust you would not commit the same atrocities again.

I would rather see this company fail and be dissolved than invest time, money, and concern like I did with ME1 and 2. They don't care enough to even allow for the choice of survival - and I am not about the extend the same consideration to them.

- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 

Modifié par napushenko, 28 mai 2012 - 10:34 .

[LeTtotheC]

Bioware have totally and utterly lost me as a fan. Utterly. I don't do forgiving when I get burnt. I especially don't do the forgiving when I get burnt and then told it's my fault for not understanding the ending. Even though the ending made no sense, had huge plot holes and introduced a new antagonist right before telling me I have three choices with no explanation as to why any is better than the others. All three choices kill me, and at no point does my Shepherd tell the AI to get lost.

And the silence was almost as bad. The feeling like a legitimate hurt is being ignored because the company wanted it to blow over rather than admit they'd messed up. Honestly...it was almost a high school break up in just how long Bioware managed to give us all the cold shoulder.

But mostly I still feel sad inside. Sad at what they did the franchise, and sad that the ME universe never got the ending it deserved. Ultimately it's just left me bitter towards Bioware.

[Tonymac]

napushenko wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

I see no point at all in any DLC or continuation of Mass Effect after ME3 whatsoever, unless its multiplayer.

The developers took no cares or concerns to the ending of ME3 - to them it was a 'close the book' type of issue. Fan cares and concerns were not given one iota of consideration. Shepard was left raped and destroyed while his best friend flew off with his chick to knock boots in some tropical paradise.

If thats not Casey Hudson's and Mac Walter's way of giving the 'helicopter trick' to their fans - then I don't know what is. Shepard was disgraced by the devs and writers, plain and simple. When you commit such an action, along with flipping us the bird and saying '"artistic integrity", you cannot expect fan support - we are no longer fans. There can be no trust you would not commit the same atrocities again.

I would rather see this company fail and be dissolved than invest time, money, and concern like I did with ME1 and 2. They don't care enough to even allow for the choice of survival - and I am not about the extend the same consideration to them.

- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 

Decently stated  - I like how you smooth over our feelings like you do bunny rabbits with the snow tires on your truck.

Invest: To use, give, or devote (time, talent, etc.), as for a purpose or to acheive something.   So no, I do not feel that I have misused the word.  I'm sorry your superior and haughty intellect do not approve of my useage.

There is also that thing in there you like to skip around concerning monetary transfers.  I did indeed pay for the game.  This purchase, although not in 'investment' per se (directly),  was made on some promissory concerns.  We won't get all into the specifics - its rather off topic, but it suffices to say that I purchased something and did not get what I was led to believe I would receive.

As with all artistic endeavours, there can come a point where people do not appreciate the art.  Being rather malleable as the medium is, we asked for a new one.  Keep in mind that many people have stated thus, it is not one or two individuals, or even a few thousand.  What we got was the 'artistic integrity' card played on our hand.  This may be seen by the company as a trump, and certainly does appear so considering their response.  However, in my hand are the cards for possibly many future purchases, including friends, relatives and co-workers.

I never asked to have the ending explained to me, like this EC proposal.  If one is not addressing fan concerns, but offering something, it might be viewed as merely a token gesture.  Token gestures do not interest me.

There is also the topic at hand - when we stop caring.  How was the replay value for you?  For ME1 and 2, I did a lot of replays to see the Mass Effect universe from as many views as I could.  I saved over 40 play-throughs of ME2.   This included about 10 that were carried over from ME1.  You could say I was passionate about the game, and really enjoyed it.   All of that enjoyment is encapsulated in the past - they will never be put into ME3.  The ending is that bad.  I simpy stopped caring, and I cannot bring all of that enjoyment  to such a terrible end.  So I have not gone back to play ME3, becasue I simply don't care about the Mass Effect universe anymore.

[AdamJenson]

I had this strong, incisive, pointed and erudite post all ready in my head but then realized...who cares? Meh.

[AdamJenson]

napushenko wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

I see no point at all in any DLC or continuation of Mass Effect after ME3 whatsoever, unless its multiplayer.

The developers took no cares or concerns to the ending of ME3 - to them it was a 'close the book' type of issue. Fan cares and concerns were not given one iota of consideration. Shepard was left raped and destroyed while his best friend flew off with his chick to knock boots in some tropical paradise.

If thats not Casey Hudson's and Mac Walter's way of giving the 'helicopter trick' to their fans - then I don't know what is. Shepard was disgraced by the devs and writers, plain and simple. When you commit such an action, along with flipping us the bird and saying '"artistic integrity", you cannot expect fan support - we are no longer fans. There can be no trust you would not commit the same atrocities again.

I would rather see this company fail and be dissolved than invest time, money, and concern like I did with ME1 and 2. They don't care enough to even allow for the choice of survival - and I am not about the extend the same consideration to them.

- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 

Have you PLAYED the game in question?  "...probably suffered through all of them" answers itself if you had. 

That is 100 hours you will never retrieve.  I assure you, no one will be covering your 100 hrs of ME play and its culmination in ME3 in your eulogy.  

[djspectre]

 to the OP's original post, I just made a similar conclusion here before reading your post. Might be worth a look and a comment or two. :-)
http://social.biowar...index/12286355' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/12286355