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[Carmen_Willow]

Kreidian wrote...

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong....


....But the ME3 ending changed all that.


Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.


And I just don't care.


Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy....


These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending....


....I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on. 
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.

I shortened your quote, but I wanted to include a part of it because what you said was dead on in my view. I loved having a game that appeared to show ****** sapiens moving out into the galaxy, making something of themselves and having a future on other worlds. It was a great change from post apocalyptic nightmares....and then we had the tricolor ending -- take the red, white (green) or blue pill, and blow the galaxy's future to smithereens! [edited to add "green"]

Like you, I was a fan who purchased a lot of the DLC for this series (and who purchased ALL the DLC for DA:Origins) but after being singed on DA:2 and burned on ME:3, I'm not buying anything until I've seen reviews from people who've actually invested money in the game. ME 3 was depressing, not sad, depressing....who wants to be depressed? Not me.  So, no preorders for me, at least not until Bioware proves it can get back to the business of making a game you can be excited to play more than once.

Modifié par Carmen_Willow, 29 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[charmingcharlie]

UFGSpot wrote...

Can I get secondary confirmation on this? It's the first I'd seen of it

Thargorichiban wrote...

Where the heck has this been stated?

I believe The Grey Nayr is probably referring to this tweet by Jessica Merizan :-

Jessica wrote ..... @TheMichaelPetry @Phoenix_Blue @mgregory520 yes but you can survive so obviously that's not completely true. Also EDI can walk out sooooooo

https://twitter.com/...211233809571841

Personally I would take that tweet with a huge truck load of salt.  With all due respect to Jessica (lovely person) she is just the community manager and would not be privy to these kind of things.  In my books EDI surviving the red ending is nothing more than a glitch that they are trying to make out into something more than it is and the easter egg scene is there as fan service and stretches the believablity of the red ending to breaking point.  Let's face it they couldn't stick the easter egg on the other two endings so the red ending got stuck with it.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 29 mai 2012 - 02:06 .

[Nicksta92]

The majority of ME3 was pretty abysmal :/ Endings weren't what Id hoped for (wish they did some choice options which resembled ME2's ending), so little free roam, poor customization, no exploration, not many new worlds, etc etc. It was nothing in comparison with the previous two

[AdamJenson]

Nicksta92 wrote...

The majority of ME3 was pretty abysmal :/ Endings weren't what Id hoped for (wish they did some choice options which resembled ME2's ending), so little free roam, poor customization, no exploration, not many new worlds, etc etc. It was nothing in comparison with the previous two

Heh, but at least you had the side missions and planet scanning thing.  At least you had that. 

As for exploration, word on the street is that the intent was to release DLC that included some side missions/exploration so you could check out some of those many systems that had reapers in them on the star map but no way to go there.

Ok, that isn't word on the street.  That's word at my desk right now.  But you heard it from me.

[Carmen_Willow]

[quote]napushenko wrote...

[quote]Tonymac wrote...

.....- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 
[/quote]

Don't know what your time is worth, but I consider mine rather valuable. So when I "Invest" it in a game, I hope to get a value for a value, even if it is just entertainment. I thought the ending was such a bummer that I, too, feel as though I got a negative return on my investment.  Given that, I won't be throwing good money after bad. I won't be preordering the next Bioware game...I'll stay out of the market until I hear some favorable news from the high rollers and true believers.

[AdamJenson]

magnetite wrote...

As long as Bioware can please the majority of the fans, I'd say that's a win. They've already admitted they cannot make everyone happy. The small vocal minority of fans who hated the ending and want it changed completely are going to have their concerns taken with a grain of salt.

Some of these guys not only want an entirely new ending, but they wanted them to remake Mass Effect 3 entirely. Not going to happen unfortunately. That's taking it a bit too far. Then you'd start thinking that "when did the consumer become the creator of this product". They didn't.

Err,,,you mean the strong majority of fans who HATED the ending.  Majority.  Clear majority.  We're right, you're wrong.  The end.

[sparkyo42]

magnetite wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...
Err,,,you mean the strong majority of fans who HATED the ending.  Majority.  Clear majority.  We're right, you're wrong.  The end.

You sure about that? Maybe just here on the BSN, you guys might be the majority. It's my understanding that in some games, the vocal community who visits forums and such makes up a small portion of the people who bought the game.

As far as I can understand it comes down to which side of the argument you are on. If you don't mind the end the complaints are the hardcore, never to be pleased fans and therefore should be dismissed as .... On the other hand you are the 10% percent that actually complain but the rest just don't care and move on but all are displeased with the end result

[kalle90]

You can't believe that everyone who hasn't shown their ending discontent on BSN are happy about the ending. I've hated and disliked tons of games and features, but I haven't bothered to rant about them on forums or anywhere. I disliked Dragon Age 2 also, but I didn't care enough about the game or series in the first place.

There has been plenty of constructive talk and in-depth fan versions. If Bioware wants to find them they will.

In the end though what is done is done, I can never consider Director's cut to be the real deal. The first viewing time of movie is what matters. So I can only hope EC makes the ending atleast passable. Other than that I have no interest in DLC anymore.

[DaJe]

magnetite wrote...

As long as Bioware can please the majority of the fans, I'd say that's a win. They've already admitted they cannot make everyone happy. The small vocal minority of fans who hated the ending and want it changed completely are going to have their concerns taken with a grain of salt.

Some of these guys not only want an entirely new ending, but they wanted them to remake Mass Effect 3 entirely. Not going to happen unfortunately. That's taking it a bit too far. Then you'd start thinking that "when did the consumer become the creator of this product". They didn't.

Are you being sarcastic?
Why is that every time fans complain about something it is automatically a "small vocal minority". It is certainly not in this case.
You might not have followed what was going on but the ending of ME3 is generally percieved as problematic.

Just because all the spineless reviewers don't even mention the ending in their ads called "reviews", because they don't know how to make that mess look good, that doesn't take away from the fact that the ending has been protested across multimedia in a scale I have never seen before while every poll shows that atleast 80%(!) dont like the ending.

So keep the "vocal minority" in the stereotype box where it belongs.

Modifié par DaJe, 29 mai 2012 - 08:18 .

[Dream-Maker]

Come on, if you people really don't care then why do you keep posting here in the first place ? That's just absurd...

Honestly I didn't like the ending either and it left me pretty puzzled, but I think the game as a whole is great. It certainly didn't ruin my experience, I understand why people can feel like that though.

Anyway, there are already been months of bioware bashing for the ending, that was justified at the beginning but now it's just ridiculous. You can't pretend to not care anymore and still rant about the ending like the game was released a few days ago.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 29 mai 2012 - 08:29 .

[Wowky]

All this fighting on BSN, people acting like their opinion is more important than everyone else's and that they're right and anyone who disagrees with them is wrong is doing more damage to my enthusiasm about ME than the ending did.

[Thomasa]

geez this remind me of me back in school people ****es about dumb stuff and i love mass effect 3 and i love the ending i don't care if they have few more dlc for the ending i will still love it and i am a true mass effect fan

[DesioPL]

I care about ending ! But right now i have more important things in my mind, that ending ME3. I still hope that we soon see logical answers.

[Roobz82]

Some people have only just started playing it. That is obvious on multiplayer.

[napushenko]

AdamJenson wrote...

napushenko wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

I see no point at all in any DLC or continuation of Mass Effect after ME3 whatsoever, unless its multiplayer.

The developers took no cares or concerns to the ending of ME3 - to them it was a 'close the book' type of issue. Fan cares and concerns were not given one iota of consideration. Shepard was left raped and destroyed while his best friend flew off with his chick to knock boots in some tropical paradise.

If thats not Casey Hudson's and Mac Walter's way of giving the 'helicopter trick' to their fans - then I don't know what is. Shepard was disgraced by the devs and writers, plain and simple. When you commit such an action, along with flipping us the bird and saying '"artistic integrity", you cannot expect fan support - we are no longer fans. There can be no trust you would not commit the same atrocities again.

I would rather see this company fail and be dissolved than invest time, money, and concern like I did with ME1 and 2. They don't care enough to even allow for the choice of survival - and I am not about the extend the same consideration to them.

- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 

Have you PLAYED the game in question?  "...probably suffered through all of them" answers itself if you had. 

That is 100 hours you will never retrieve.  I assure you, no one will be covering your 100 hrs of ME play and its culmination in ME3 in your eulogy.  

ahahaha. say what ? what kind of person would spend 100 hours on something that he dont like. even suffers through it ?  why would anyone cover anything for you ? i mean, you are the one who suffered through 100 hours of gameplay. its not like someone threatened to kill you if you dont play it ?  blame bioware for your suffering through 100 hours of their game. 
i thought normal people dont do things they dont like in their own free time. 

[napushenko]

[quote]Carmen_Willow wrote...

[quote]napushenko wrote...

[quote]Tonymac wrote...

.....- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 
[/quote]

Don't know what your time is worth, but I consider mine rather valuable. So when I "Invest" it in a game, I hope to get a value for a value, even if it is just entertainment. I thought the ending was such a bummer that I, too, feel as though I got a negative return on my investment.  Given that, I won't be throwing good money after bad. I won't be preordering the next Bioware game...I'll stay out of the market until I hear some favorable news from the high rollers and true believers.[/quote]

you know, normal people dont invest that kind of time in things they dont like. simple as that. 
and even if you want to talk of value for value, you got good 30 hours and sucky  last 20 minutes. that isnt quite a negative return on your investment as you make it out to be. 
if it was all bad, you wouldnt sit through those first 30 hours. normal people dont do that. 

[AdamJenson]

napushenko wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

napushenko wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

I see no point at all in any DLC or continuation of Mass Effect after ME3 whatsoever, unless its multiplayer.

The developers took no cares or concerns to the ending of ME3 - to them it was a 'close the book' type of issue. Fan cares and concerns were not given one iota of consideration. Shepard was left raped and destroyed while his best friend flew off with his chick to knock boots in some tropical paradise.

If thats not Casey Hudson's and Mac Walter's way of giving the 'helicopter trick' to their fans - then I don't know what is. Shepard was disgraced by the devs and writers, plain and simple. When you commit such an action, along with flipping us the bird and saying '"artistic integrity", you cannot expect fan support - we are no longer fans. There can be no trust you would not commit the same atrocities again.

I would rather see this company fail and be dissolved than invest time, money, and concern like I did with ME1 and 2. They don't care enough to even allow for the choice of survival - and I am not about the extend the same consideration to them.

- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 

Have you PLAYED the game in question?  "...probably suffered through all of them" answers itself if you had. 

That is 100 hours you will never retrieve.  I assure you, no one will be covering your 100 hrs of ME play and its culmination in ME3 in your eulogy.  

ahahaha. say what ? what kind of person would spend 100 hours on something that he dont like. even suffers through it ?  why would anyone cover anything for you ? i mean, you are the one who suffered through 100 hours of gameplay. its not like someone threatened to kill you if you dont play it ?  blame bioware for your suffering through 100 hours of their game. 
i thought normal people dont do things they dont like in their own free time. 

Err...the 100s of hrs thing is cumulative and includes (in common usage hereabouts) ME1, 2, and 3.  NO ONE plays ME3 for 100 hrs or more.  No one in their right mind would play it more than the initial 40 or so it takes to complete it once.  See one ending and you've LITERALLY seen them all.  Only a total whack would need to play 100 hrs of ME3 alone to get that it bites it hard at the end.  No number of hours of play after that corrects the suckage.

[xI extremist Ix]

Unfortunately, I am putting all of my eggs into the Indoctrination Theory basket. If it turns out to be wrong I think I am done with Mass Effect and probably Bioware.

It was my favorite series in the world, then ten minutes just ruined it.

It's like being around somebody you loved, but didn't love you back. Awkward.

[napushenko]

AdamJenson wrote...

napushenko wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

napushenko wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

I see no point at all in any DLC or continuation of Mass Effect after ME3 whatsoever, unless its multiplayer.

The developers took no cares or concerns to the ending of ME3 - to them it was a 'close the book' type of issue. Fan cares and concerns were not given one iota of consideration. Shepard was left raped and destroyed while his best friend flew off with his chick to knock boots in some tropical paradise.

If thats not Casey Hudson's and Mac Walter's way of giving the 'helicopter trick' to their fans - then I don't know what is. Shepard was disgraced by the devs and writers, plain and simple. When you commit such an action, along with flipping us the bird and saying '"artistic integrity", you cannot expect fan support - we are no longer fans. There can be no trust you would not commit the same atrocities again.

I would rather see this company fail and be dissolved than invest time, money, and concern like I did with ME1 and 2. They don't care enough to even allow for the choice of survival - and I am not about the extend the same consideration to them.

- they are making free dlc to expand said ending. how do you consider that not caring about fan concerns? they created 120 hours of gameplay and now they dont care about it ?  
and yeah, i see your point.  writers and devs created shepard, forced fans to love him and then they intentionally "screwed " him up just to have a evil laugh at shattering sound of fans gentle hearts. whata monsters. 

btw, whats with the constantly misused word - investing ? 
it sounds like youre working in the mine and not playing game and enoying yourself.  invested 100 hours in me series. yeah, poor souls. probably suffered through all of them. 

Have you PLAYED the game in question?  "...probably suffered through all of them" answers itself if you had. 

That is 100 hours you will never retrieve.  I assure you, no one will be covering your 100 hrs of ME play and its culmination in ME3 in your eulogy.  

ahahaha. say what ? what kind of person would spend 100 hours on something that he dont like. even suffers through it ?  why would anyone cover anything for you ? i mean, you are the one who suffered through 100 hours of gameplay. its not like someone threatened to kill you if you dont play it ?  blame bioware for your suffering through 100 hours of their game. 
i thought normal people dont do things they dont like in their own free time. 

Err...the 100s of hrs thing is cumulative and includes (in common usage hereabouts) ME1, 2, and 3.  NO ONE plays ME3 for 100 hrs or more.  No one in their right mind would play it more than the initial 40 or so it takes to complete it once.  See one ending and you've LITERALLY seen them all.  Only a total whack would need to play 100 hrs of ME3 alone to get that it bites it hard at the end.  No number of hours of play after that corrects the suckage.

yeah, im talking about all 3 games together. and no one in their right mind would play something they hate this much more then hour or two. let alone 40.  
and then spend next three months on forums talking about it.  

[AlanC9]

AdamJenson wrote...

Err...the 100s of hrs thing is cumulative and includes (in common usage hereabouts) ME1, 2, and 3.  NO ONE plays ME3 for 100 hrs or more.  No one in their right mind would play it more than the initial 40 or so it takes to complete it once.  See one ending and you've LITERALLY seen them all.

And this is different from ME1 and ME2...... how?

In ME1 you always  get a meeting with Anderson and Udina. Slightly different dialogues depending on what happened to the council and who you want on it.

In ME2 you get your choice of two different convos with TIM. One with a red background and one with a blue background. Whee.

(OK, there's a little more variation depending on who didn't make it back from the CB. But if those count for ME2 then what happened on Rannoch and Tuchanka counts for ME3)

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 mai 2012 - 09:08 .