Cthulhu42 wrote...
Yes, but those endings aren't awful.
Modifié par AlanC9, 29 mai 2012 - 10:47 .
Kreidian wrote...
At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong.
Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.
For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie.
But the ME3 ending changed all that.
Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.
And I just don't care.
Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.
Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.
You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.
Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.
And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity.
These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.
I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on.
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.
Titch100 wrote...
I hate to say it but wiith a game like this you can't go around making scenes on the basis of it being "artistic". It can't be done. This game is made for the players, not the creators and it's content should reflect that.
In a way it is comparable to "modern" art. The artist thinks it is the best thing ever, the critics agree because it's the "in" thing but all anyone else can think is...
"How can this be called art?"
Rothgar49 wrote...
Agreed - I don't care anymore. I stopped playing the game and just can't be bothered. ME2 I played over and over
charmingcharlie wrote...
UFGSpot wrote...
Can I get secondary confirmation on this? It's the first I'd seen of itThargorichiban wrote...
Where the heck has this been stated?
I believe The Grey Nayr is probably referring to this tweet by Jessica Merizan :-Jessica wrote .....
@TheMichaelPetry@Phoenix_Blue@mgregory520 yes but you can survive so obviously that's not completely true. Also EDI can walk out sooooooo
https://twitter.com/...211233809571841
Personally I would take that tweet with a huge truck load of salt. With all due respect to Jessica (lovely person) she is just the community manager and would not be privy to these kind of things. In my books EDI surviving the red ending is nothing more than a glitch that they are trying to make out into something more than it is and the easter egg scene is there as fan service and stretches the believablity of the red ending to breaking point. Let's face it they couldn't stick the easter egg on the other two endings so the red ending got stuck with it.
Kreidian wrote...
At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong.
Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.
For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie.
But the ME3 ending changed all that.
Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.
And I just don't care.
Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.
Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.
You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.
Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.
And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity.
These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.
I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on.
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.
Modifié par Eyeofanger, 31 mai 2012 - 11:19 .
LeTtotheC wrote...
Bioware have totally and utterly lost me as a fan. Utterly. I don't do forgiving when I get burnt. I especially don't do the forgiving when I get burnt and then told it's my fault for not understanding the ending. Even though the ending made no sense, had huge plot holes and introduced a new antagonist right before telling me I have three choices with no explanation as to why any is better than the others. All three choices kill me, and at no point does my Shepherd tell the AI to get lost.
And the silence was almost as bad. The feeling like a legitimate hurt is being ignored because the company wanted it to blow over rather than admit they'd messed up. Honestly...it was almost a high school break up in just how long Bioware managed to give us all the cold shoulder.
But mostly I still feel sad inside. Sad at what they did the franchise, and sad that the ME universe never got the ending it deserved. Ultimately it's just left me bitter towards Bioware.
The Grey Nayr wrote...
I don't care that you don't care.
ME3 is epic. Anybody who lets five minutes ruin an entire franchise for them is an extremely petty person.
Also for the record about that comic, only the red explosion at the lowest EMS kills everyone, other results only damage everything except organics or just target the Reapers and nothing else.
BadboyDk78 wrote...
LeTtotheC wrote...
Bioware have totally and utterly lost me as a fan. Utterly. I don't do forgiving when I get burnt. I especially don't do the forgiving when I get burnt and then told it's my fault for not understanding the ending. Even though the ending made no sense, had huge plot holes and introduced a new antagonist right before telling me I have three choices with no explanation as to why any is better than the others. All three choices kill me, and at no point does my Shepherd tell the AI to get lost.
And the silence was almost as bad. The feeling like a legitimate hurt is being ignored because the company wanted it to blow over rather than admit they'd messed up. Honestly...it was almost a high school break up in just how long Bioware managed to give us all the cold shoulder.
But mostly I still feel sad inside. Sad at what they did the franchise, and sad that the ME universe never got the ending it deserved. Ultimately it's just left me bitter towards Bioware.
this post says it all. ty for pointing this ouit for me.
+3 in my book
Modifié par RAF1940, 31 mai 2012 - 03:46 .
JoshPet12 wrote...
For me, after I finished the first time, I was angry, the apathetic. However at this point I've reached a point where I've decided not to let my disappointment about the ending ruin what was heretofore IMO an excellent scifi franchise.
So I've decided that I will play the series through all three games however once I reach the ME3 ending I'll basically ignore the options and go with a fanfiction I'm writing where Shepard isn't a credulous idiot who doesn't question what an enemy says. Basically in my story Shepard either talks the Catalyst into weakening the Reapers and shutting itself down(Paragon) or finds the StarBrats quantum blue box and introduces it to his gun(Renegade.)
Afterwards what happens depends on EMS. If high enough Shep is rescued and ends the game with his/her LI. If EMS is too low Shepard bleeds out and the LI stands before a memorial statue of Shepard crying quietly while the galaxy celebrates the defeat of the Reapers.
Additionally choosing Paragon or Renegade has an effect on the remaining war with the Reapers. If Paragon they are weakened and their ability to indoctrinate outside of creating husks is disabled. If Renegade the war is long and bloody and there will be Reaper sightings and attacks for centuries. And yes I am going to be writing all the different endings
RAF1940 wrote...
I expected to play through ME3 10+ times just like the first two games.
I beat it once, and haven't played it since (March 14).
That being said, that was my one main Shepard. The one I'd had through the series. It just killed any other Shepards for me.
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