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[Zera Catiff]

After reading the posts of other disapointed fans of my favourite game series i decided to give bioware my feedback in a very short but imho significant form.
ME1 playthroughs (trying to get it 100% "my way of decisions"(without first playthrough) = 14
ME2 playthroughs (trying to get it 100% "my way of decisions"(without first playthrough) = 17
ME3 playthroughs (trying to get it 100% "my way of decisions" = 1

You see that bioware ? 1!!! playthrough of the title where all the decisions you offered in the first two parts of the series should come out on their final significance ? Just one ?
I wont even say ME3 was bad... actually i loved it. The genophage plot solution was just breathtaking good for example. But for some reason i cant get myself to play it again. Asking myself why there is always one thought : "Even if i would..."my way of dicisions" wont matter anyway"...

The ME - series once had the potencial to be one of the great milestones in videogame history.
People would have remembered it as the way u intendet it to be . A great journey. An adventure we´ve all been through and we all loved .
Your resistence to admit that ONE stupid mystake u made. Your resistence to just apologise and tell your fans u will give them the another chance of "ending theyr journey (maybe the way u promised in the promotion videos before the release of me 3) i a way they deserve it , will make us all remember me as one of the most DISAPOINTING games ever.
Noone will blame you for admitting that you made a mistake . You guys will be THE company fans can rely on. The first studio to proof that they care about theyr customers opinion and not just trying the get some money out of them.

All you have to do to prevent this is to say something like : Bioware has always been thankful for their fans constructive critics. We admit that we made a mistake by trying to end the ME series the way we did. Please give us the time we need to create an ending to to series that all of you deserve.

It´s up to you how your hard work will be remembered.

"One of the best videogame series of all times!"
or
"Yeah u know dude , the first two were really great but i really would suggest you to leave out the third one becuase just a few minutes of gameplay killed the series for most of the fans.."

It´s up to you..

PS: Excuse my bad english guys , i really gave my best

Modifié par Zera Catiff, 05 juin 2012 - 08:33 .

[Eyeofanger]

Dezman8 wrote...

The biggest tragedy is that BioWare has still not acknowledged that they made a mistake. They insist on their "artistic vision" and teling us that we are the ones who are wrong.

BioWare has lost my loyality. I used to love & respect them because they made great games, but their behavior in this matter is not okay.

 http://m.youtube.com...?v=Dex39z1OAms. Seinfeld lectures bioware on artistic integrity

Modifié par Eyeofanger, 01 juin 2012 - 11:47 .

[Sabriana]

Eyeofanger wrote...

 http://m.youtube.com...?v=Dex39z1OAms. Seinfeld lectures bioware on artistic integrity

Oh my stars. That is absolutely hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.

I love Seinfeld. When I was an international student at University of Baltimore, I used to watch it all the time. Too bad we don't get it here. Even if we did, we wouldn't get it in English, which is absolutely necessary (imo) to get the full enjoyment out of it.

I don't want to stop caring. I want to love DA3, for example. I hope they let me do just that. I also would have loved it if ME3 was a huge, satisfying success for me. I'm not really an action RPG fan, but ME1 certainly caught my interest.

*sigh* I have been a Bioware fan for such a long time. It feels weird to no longer trust them - at all -  anymore. But I'll not abandon the DA franchise, not just yet. That's because of DAO, which I absolutely love.

As for ME, well, it's getting to the point where I'll definitely keep ME1 close at hand, let my kids fazzle around with ME2 and play it once in a while, and just pretend that ME3 never even happened.

[Sh0dan]

Art should not bend for the favor of the angry crowd. My hypocrite pseudo "hardcore" fans, stop treating the last 10 minutes with academic overanalyzing and nitpicking, while you've swallowed the logical flaws and scientific idiocy of 100 hours of gameplay. You complain about the synthesis of human DNA and synthetics in ME3? The theory behind the Human Reaper in ME2 has already blown an educated mind. You complain about Genocide? Batarians are ugly, but does it justify eradicating millions of them? You cry about murdering of your Geth friends? You've slaughtered tons throught the game. Edi testing the Reaper IFF, Joker surviving the explosion at the beginning of ME2 ... just to begin with. ( I hope ME2 spoilers are allowed here)


ME3 made some great improvements to the skillsystem and gameplay, especially compared to ME2&ME. While ME suffered its awkward movement and a "mindless" point-spending skillsystem, ME3 offered interesting choice about skilleffects and had a very fluid gameplay. In contrast ME2 was too oversimplified in all these aspects. ME3 has a good balance between the 3rd-person shooter and the RPG elements. Besides the annoying fetch quests, the lack of loyality missions and autodialogue ME3's gameplay itsself feels so much better than its predecessors. Keep it up, Bioware!

Modifié par Sh0dan, 01 juin 2012 - 12:22 .

[Blackadderthethird]

Sh0dan wrote...

Art should not bend for the favor of the angry crowd.!

So if you slap the art stamp on something nobody are allowed to say it's ****?

Might also be worth mentioning that many painters through history have made changes to their paintings because it wasn't what their buyer wanted

Modifié par Blackadderthethird, 01 juin 2012 - 12:38 .

[Kushan101]

Grimwick wrote...

Yes, this is a massive problem with the ending.

The other problem for me is that it even extends from the point of apathy - to that of heartbreak.
If you romance Garrus/Liara/Tali (for example) they all have lines about your future as a couple. You genuinely care about them and their interactions with Shepard. Liara's romance in LotSB and ME3 plays heavily on what the future holds for them, be it blue children or finding somplace peaceful. Tali's romance talks about that house on Rannoch and Garrus... well he's always cared for Shepard.

But Bioware not only ignores this entire concept, it goes furhter by killing any hope of their futures together. It just eradicates the idea that your character, and the characters you care about will be happy after ME3 - they won't be. It makes me feel far more depressed when Liara speaks about blue babies now I know they will never be.

Thanks for the knife in the heart, BW.

Me too. No intentions of picking up any of the ME titles again, unless this EC is something spectacular. The characters are the driving force of ANY story - maybe the writers at BW forgot about that.

My dad played ME1 and 2 and I bought myself to actually explain to him the general plot, and ending, of ME3. The crucible, the catalyst, the lot. He couldn't believe it. He had all the same problems with the ending that I did (I'm not going to make a list thats already been done to the very death) and he now REFUSES to play ME3 because he doesn't want the first two games ruined.

I wish someone had done the same for me.

Blackadderthethird wrote...

Sh0dan wrote...

Art
should not bend for the favor of the angry crowd.!

So if you
slap the art stamp on something nobody are allowed to say it's ****?

Might
also be worth mentioning that many painters through history have made
changes to their paintings because it wasn't what their buyer wanted

As well as films changing since they didn't get a good audience test reaction. Or books doing the same (Harry potter NOT getting killed due to a fan "outcry"?). Or Michelangelo being effectively FORCED to paint the sistine chapel since he really didn't want to. Oh yeah, he was a sculptor, not a painter: did anyone cry about his "artisitic integrity" being infringed?

Modifié par Kushan101, 01 juin 2012 - 12:51 .

[CDS923]

Sh0dan wrote...

Art should not bend for the favor of the angry crowd. My hypocrite pseudo "hardcore" fans, stop treating the last 10 minutes with academic overanalyzing and nitpicking, while you've swallowed the logical flaws and scientific idiocy of 100 hours of gameplay. You complain about the synthesis of human DNA and synthetics in ME3? The theory behind the Human Reaper in ME2 has already blown an educated mind. You complain about Genocide? Batarians are ugly, but does it justify eradicating millions of them? You cry about murdering of your Geth friends? You've slaughtered tons throught the game. Edi testing the Reaper IFF, Joker surviving the explosion at the beginning of ME2 ... just to begin with. ( I hope ME2 spoilers are allowed here)


ME3 made some great improvements to the skillsystem and gameplay, especially compared to ME2&ME. While ME suffered its awkward movement and a "mindless" point-spending skillsystem, ME3 offered interesting choice about skilleffects and had a very fluid gameplay. In contrast ME2 was too oversimplified in all these aspects. ME3 has a good balance between the 3rd-person shooter and the RPG elements. Besides the annoying fetch quests, the lack of loyality missions and autodialogue ME3's gameplay itsself feels so much better than its predecessors. Keep it up, Bioware!

Well hello, Mr Hudson. 

[Surenas]

Hope is irrelevant  

[Sh0dan]

Blackadderthethird wrote...
So if you slap the art stamp on something nobody are allowed to say it's ****?

Might also be worth mentioning that many painters through history have made changes to their paintings because it wasn't what their buyer wanted.

You are free to dislike it, but you shouldn't expect it to be changed just because it doesn't match your own personal taste. It's controversial - there are probably as many people liking as hating the current ending. I'm glad that Bioware mans up and doesn't give in besides offering additional clarification on the Reaper's ending by the EC. As I pointed out, the ending is in line with the inherent flaws of the entire triology.

My hypocrite pseudo "hardcore" fans, stop treating the last 10 minutes
with academic overanalyzing and nitpicking, while you've swallowed the
logical flaws and scientific idiocy of 100 hours of gameplay. You
complain about the synthesis of human DNA and synthetics in ME3? The
theory behind the Human Reaper in ME2 has already blown an educated
mind. You complain about Genocide? Batarians are ugly, but does it
justify eradicating millions of them? You cry about murdering of your
Geth friends? You've slaughtered tons throught the game. Edi testing the
Reaper IFF, Joker surviving the explosion at the beginning of ME2 ...
just to begin with. ( I hope ME2 spoilers are allowed here)

The ending deserves the same judgement as the rest of the game. Another problem is that many people here claim to voice the opinion for the majority of the players, while they just state the individual opinion. The retake movement and the forums aren't representive at all, because they attract the angry more than the happy.

Modifié par Sh0dan, 01 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[Dezerte]

Sh0dan wrote...

Art should not bend for the favor of the angry crowd. My hypocrite pseudo "hardcore" fans, stop treating the last 10 minutes with academic overanalyzing and nitpicking, while you've swallowed the logical flaws and scientific idiocy of 100 hours of gameplay. You complain about the synthesis of human DNA and synthetics in ME3? The theory behind the Human Reaper in ME2 has already blown an educated mind. You complain about Genocide? Batarians are ugly, but does it justify eradicating millions of them? You cry about murdering of your Geth friends? You've slaughtered tons throught the game. Edi testing the Reaper IFF, Joker surviving the explosion at the beginning of ME2 ... just to begin with. ( I hope ME2 spoilers are allowed here)

Art is not immune to criticism, especially when it's a game series that both we & BioWare have invested ourselves in. I've poured my life into this game, Mass Effect has been a passion for me. Furthermore BioWare has also said that they believe that it's not their game, it's "our" game. BioWare has always been about making epic RPG games (Baldur's Gate, SWKOTOR, DA:O etc), I don't see a reason for them to stop and suddenly decide they want to be "artistic". I feel betrayed by how BioWare has acted in this matter.

ME3 made some great improvements to the skillsystem and gameplay, especially compared to ME2&ME. While ME suffered its awkward movement and a "mindless" point-spending skillsystem, ME3 offered interesting choice about skilleffects and had a very fluid gameplay. In contrast ME2 was too oversimplified in all these aspects. ME3 has a good balance between the 3rd-person shooter and the RPG elements. Besides the annoying fetch quests, the lack of loyality missions and autodialogue ME3's gameplay itsself feels so much better than its predecessors. Keep it up, Bioware!

I play Mass Effect mainly for it's story and characters, maybe that's why I'm upset and you're not.

[Sh0dan]

Bioware's strength has always been storytelling, not the story itsself. The dialogues, the characters and the cutscenes are great, but the essence of Mass Effect's story is plain entertainment. Don't scratch on the surface, you'll be disappointed!

[Harts]

Been feeling exactly the same way as the OP.

[av196vad]

Yeah I stopped caring about the ME universe after the third game, and not just because of the ending; to be frank I'm one of those people that thought the ending was not bad if you removed some of the plot holes.

I was disappointed with the game because of the lack of exploration, lazy character interaction/development, making Shepard a bit too emotional, lack of dialog options, and being forced to play multiplayer.

I gave up and went right back to my two favorite franchises: Halo and Battlefield.

It's been a wonderful 10 years BioWare. But after milking my wallet out of my money with the last three disappointing games (DA2, TOR, and ME3) I'm afraid that I've had enough and I'm calling it quits. Best wishes to you in your future games.

Modifié par av196vad, 02 juin 2012 - 01:34 .

[Sh0dan]

slyguy200 wrote...

Honestly, if people really did care enough to represent for the pro-end side than they would feel threatened by the very existance of retake and would start. And the knowledge of retake and the vast majority of anti-enders is well known, with all of the polls on separate gaming sites, pages on different social networks, polls on separate social network sites,  youtube videos, there was even a majority of anti-enders on reddit, etc.

It's a self-selective process. Voluntary customer feedback is always biased, because the angry customer has a stronger incentive to voice his negative feedback. Have you ever called the pizza service, just because you were so pleased with the great quality? No, probably not, but more likely in the case of a cold pizza.
The only label that actually suits the ending is "controversial". It is not a matter of quality, it is a matter of taste.

Modifié par Sh0dan, 01 juin 2012 - 07:47 .

[Sh0dan]

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Modifié par Sh0dan, 01 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[PHub88]

I feel exactly the same way and I hate who ever is responsible for this. Honestly nothing like this has ever happened to me in any form of media entertainment whether it be movies, tv music, games. The ending of Mass Effect 3 took what had now been in retrospect CLEARLY my favorite form of entertainment and completely ruined it. I always looked at things like fan fiction as dorky...but I have never wanted to just completely dismiss the ending of something so badly. I sometimes wondered what I liked so much about ME to be able to replay 1 and 2 over 7-8 times each. It was wondering how it will all end in 3, getting info maybe I didn't absorb the first few times, wondering how each of these choices will affect the out come, and how I would be rushing to play 1 2 and 3 again and again to get different endings. All to find out your choices don't matter....you can't change anything...and everyone and everything is basically ruined and screwed. Nothing mattered in the end, nothing...

With the hype of ME3 and looking back on it I now realize Mass Effect was my favorite series and favorite game. The ending ruined it so badly I can't even see myself playing ME3 a SECOND time let alone any of the others for about the 9th-10th time. I had plans to get into the MP but after beating the game haven't even went onto the MP a SINGLE time. Just KNOWING the ending is THAT BAD sucks the enjoyment right out of me...I have never experienced anything like that.

As wrong as it would be part of me wishes they just lied to us the whole time and the EC is really somehow going to change things like they say it won't and that somehow IT is true. Honestly it was a perfect fit for extending DLC and I simply can't think of ONE good reason why they should not take the idea from us and go with it. I think the only clear reason is the most sad reason. The god awful ending is somehow going to bridge into the future of ME content and that must be why they won't change it. Artistic? Whats artistic about giving us a horrible ending that explains nothing? differs from other endings not a bit? NOTHING. That future ME content, I will no longer purchase. Because the Mass Effect 3 ending killed the series for me and I wish I could forget ME existed in the first place because I find it annoying and kind of sad this all happened. Like watching my favorite team make the finals just to lose. Its like every ending got cut but the worst one and its all a joke.

I just want to forget about Mass Effect for good. It simply can't be redeemed. IT held a key to not only redeem it but bring it back like a bat out of hell. But whatever RIP Mass Effect craze for me.

[johnj1979]

Mass Effect 3 has done a lot of damage to the Mass Effect series and I think that there must be away for this damage to be repaired through DLC or an expansion pact.

I will admit that then the powers that be where starting to hype up Mass Effect 3 I was starting to get bored with hype and when they started to say what was going to be in the game I was starting think do I really want this game and I have never felt that way when getting Mass Effect 2 or Dragon Age 2.

But then again I was so angry a week before the release because EA or whoever it was decided to pull the game from the shop I was buying it from after I had it on order for about six months and pull a week before release so I was so bad tempered before getting the game.

After playing the game I just felt like story was so bad from beginning to end because to me the plays Dragon Age 2 story meaning that it plays like the story has a different main character that is not Shepard and that fact that it goes against all of the stories in the previous games. Plus I got so bored with the single player after about a month.

[eternalnightmare13]

Tragedy? Hardly. Syria is a tragedy. Mass Effect apathy is trivial.

[thehomeworld]

I can't bring myself to play it a third time not because of the endings surprisingly its more for the poor handling of your LI relationships I can't play any of my other shep's who aren't paired with Garrus even Tali's relationship conclusion is second best to that one and that's really upsetting to me the most unusual couple rushed and cut short.

Other reasons the lack of planet exploration, the lack of decisions of whom I saved in 2 got reduced to cameo's at best. There is no point to the assets system I just need to fill up the bar, I can't deviate from the build the dues ex machine and say make my own plan to just go at the reapers with all the forces I can, build Illos colonies for chosen species that I pick like say I think every race but the batarians should have people placed in Illos or vault worlds then I tell those species to send people to planet's x,y, and z and they do so.

I hated how the LP and shep being a cyborg, a mental prothean mean nothing in the sereis, they wanted to drop important under lying themes like man vs himself, my main decisions didn't help/hurt galactic stability in major ways like I killed the council and let human raciest Turian live so now in 3 my worlds should've been really screwed up human hating and human killing, ect. If I saved the council but let Turian guy die then my world actually is more positive towards humans, ect. There were many more reasons why I just can't bring myself to play it again there were despite all this some really great things about 3 but those listed while small where also glaring and quite large deals for me as a player and they just seemed to get scraped, retconned, or BW wanted to forget they ever happened for the sake of new players.

I get OP general frustration I can see why they feel this way it ways I agree and in other things aren't big deals for me. I agree I dont' care what Vega was doing ever they should've introduced him properly in game not in after game comic or DLC. I do care about Tali but she should've told you in game what she was doing for the 6 months you were imprisoned and why she didn't come see you or call you once it was known Shep was on the case to stop the reapers again she doesn't need a comic or DLC for this either.

[jebusnixon]

Tonight is the first time I've looked at these forums since the release, also the first time I turned on my 360 since I beat the game. I played it once, then loaded and tried the other "endings" and was so sickened, so horribly disappointed that I couldn't stand to turn on my xbox for months. I have never been so excited for a game, so the shock of the linear story, and all the decisions being taken away really just put me off games.Thanks BW I saved a ton on my electricity bill

[Shockwave81]

jebusnixon wrote...

Tonight is the first time I've looked at these forums since the release, also the first time I turned on my 360 since I beat the game. I played it once, then loaded and tried the other "endings" and was so sickened, so horribly disappointed that I couldn't stand to turn on my xbox for months. I have never been so excited for a game, so the shock of the linear story, and all the decisions being taken away really just put me off games.Thanks BW I saved a ton on my electricity bill

I haven't quite been put off games, but unfortunately Mass Effect 3 is just not something that I can replay.  

The mystery and 'choice' aspects of its predecessors are gone, making way for probe-firing fetch quests and guage filling.  The very thought of replaying Mass Effect 3 actually makes me feel physically repulsed - almost like having to go on a really long drive to a boring destination, twice in the same day or week.  Worse still, is the fact that the replay factor of the earlier games is also severely diminished now that I know exactly what does and doesn't matter.  There is actually NO point in replaying any of the games - I doubt that the EC will make things any better, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong. 

[Naughty Bear]

jebusnixon wrote...

Tonight is the first time I've looked at these forums since the release, also the first time I turned on my 360 since I beat the game. I played it once, then loaded and tried the other "endings" and was so sickened, so horribly disappointed that I couldn't stand to turn on my xbox for months. I have never been so excited for a game, so the shock of the linear story, and all the decisions being taken away really just put me off games.Thanks BW I saved a ton on my electricity bill

One word.

Wow.