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[cgvhjb]

Completely agree with the OP, I used to be so intrigued by the Mass Effect universe and everything it had to offer now... I just don't care at all. It's been so irrevocably tarnished that it will never hold the same luster with me as it once did. In fact the same can be said of Bioware, before DA2 I used to genuinely get excited about Bioware released because I had never been disappointed by them and they seemed like the one company that truly tried to put the time and effort into doing things right. Now however it's clear that that's no longer the case, they don't care about doing things right and well... I don't care about the company. So not that it matters, but here's a guy who followed this company since it was Black Isle studios back in the day saying that I won't even be looking into spending one more cent (keep in mind that I've purchased just about every Bioware game to date) saying I won't give another cent to Bioware from here out unless some drastic is done.

(sorry to be overly dramatic it's just Mass Effect 3's ending was the most disappointing moment in 15 years of gaming)

[Jademoon121]

No matter what I do in the previous two games, the results are almost the same. Aside from nostalgia or simple fun, I have no reason to play ME now. What drives me in most games are story, setting, and character development. The ending got rid of all of that.

[Kreidian]

You know for a moment there I was actually really surprised by how far this thread has gone. But then I can't say it's really surprising that the horrible ending would have such an affect on people. This is darkness induced apathy, or so the trope goes, so there's no reason for people to care. People who continue to post here do so because they want to care again, but are just so frustrated by the **** job done by the devs on this game.

Of course BioWare could easily get me to care once again, right away too, wouldn't even have to wait till EC came out. All they would need to do is appologize. Stop trying to pretend you're incapable of making a mistake and just admit you ****ed up. Appologize for making such a crappy ending, and appologize for trying to make the fans out to be bad guys. Admit that you need a different ending, don't give us any bull**** clarification on a pile of crap we don't care about. Tell us you're going to change the ending entirely.

If they could do that I could problably start to care once again. I could begin to enjoy the game with the knowledge that at least a better ending is comming.

[Well]

I agree.I won't buy another product from them.They would have to go back to producing quality products and living up to what they hype.I don't see that happening.

[PillarBiter]

Bah, it's true. I'll always nostalgically try to think of mass effect, and then think of the ending and go: "oh yeah...".

And damn your stubbornness, bioware.

[djarlaks10]

I'd say that Mass Effect had lost THE Sci-fi Saga of the generation status at ME2, which was a great shooter set in the ME universe with some interesting characters. BW nearly changed it back to normal in ME3, but then the ending came.

Modifié par djarlaks10, 02 juin 2012 - 10:45 .

[PillarBiter]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@MrCryO: As I've pointed out in my earlier post, it's not Bioware's 'stubborness', it's an act to keep them from losing face. Their reputation may not be affected by this. Or maybe they just honestly don't care, dunno.

Although that maybe what they're trying to do, it' not succeeding. Manning up and doing what needs to be done seems to be the only PR way to go, here. They've worked themselves ina  corner, and the only wy to get out of there is by doing something that hasn't been done before (or little).

[Siripho]

Perculiar.

I last posted on this thread almost a fortnight ago when I commented that it seemed ironic that those who don't care should be here doing all this *caring*.

I then left, went on with my business without giving it one further thought. Yet the thread remains, feeding inexorably on the noncaring of noncarers.

This make me wonder. Since I like ME3 really quite a lot, but don't post here for that length of time, does this mean that I actually care about it less than some of you who claim not to care at all?

The irony has become almost paradoxical.

[FoggyFishburne]

Yeah I agree, it's ****ing hard staying optimistic at this point. Especially since they announced that the EC DLC is just going to "clarify" the dumb retarded ending, not change it. I was so prepared to give them mad props for adopting the IT and just watch them ride off into the sunset, John Wayne style.

But no. Instead we have... well, whatever it is we got. However, is it just me, or is the most depressing thing about this not the ****ing ending, but rather that there are some people that defend it? I mean, are you some kind of inbred or something? Apart from being nonsensical, pretentious and absolutely broken. It flew against everything that we've been fighting for. And people still defend it? Retarded much or just busy deepthroating BioWare?

Still, I'm cautious about the future. For me, CD Project Red is fast becoming the new BioWare. Now I defended DA2, hell I still do!, even for all it's flaws. The ME3 ending however, is pure liquid dog ****. I can't help thinking, is this the beginning of the end for BioWare? Will I really pre-order their next game? I'm still baffled, it's insane.

[Siripho]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

But no. Instead we have... well, whatever it is we got. However, is it just me, or is the most depressing thing about this not the ****ing ending, but rather that there are some people that defend it? I mean, are you some kind of inbred or something? Apart from being nonsensical, pretentious and absolutely broken. It flew against everything that we've been fighting for. And people still defend it? Retarded much or just busy deepthroating BioWare?

Ah, at last. A fellow who is tolerant of those with opinions differing to his own.

That should lift the mood here a little.

Well done, sir. Well done.

[cgvhjb]

Removing for double post

Modifié par cgvhjb, 03 juin 2012 - 03:12 .

[cgvhjb]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@Kreidian: I know how you're feeling and I fully agree with you. Bioware, however, is a company and admitting they made a mistake would make them lose face in public, which would mean investore-problems. It would be a public shame, you see. They'll never admit anything. It's disgusting how they're trying to put the blame on their fans, though. It's like a boy blaming his little sister for being called out on by his mother.

http://www.gameinfor...oss-fights.aspx

Developers
can admit mistakes without too many problems and it can go far towards
retaining a customer base, maybe Bioware should realize they need to get
off their high horses eventually if they want to retain any fan
support.

[Volus Warlord]

cgvhjb wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@Kreidian: I know how you're feeling and I fully agree with you. Bioware, however, is a company and admitting they made a mistake would make them lose face in public, which would mean investore-problems. It would be a public shame, you see. They'll never admit anything. It's disgusting how they're trying to put the blame on their fans, though. It's like a boy blaming his little sister for being called out on by his mother.

http://www.gameinfor...oss-fights.aspx

Developers
can admit mistakes without too many problems and it can go far towards
retaining a customer base, maybe Bioware should realize they need to get
off their high horses eventually if they want to retain any fan
support.

 Never going to happen. Never.

[Bluko]

Siripho wrote...

Perculiar.

I last posted on this thread almost a fortnight ago when I commented that it seemed ironic that those who don't care should be here doing all this *caring*.

I then left, went on with my business without giving it one further thought. Yet the thread remains, feeding inexorably on the noncaring of noncarers.

This make me wonder. Since I like ME3 really quite a lot, but don't post here for that length of time, does this mean that I actually care about it less than some of you who claim not to care at all?

The irony has become almost paradoxical.

I think what people mean more to say is that they have lost interest. Not all of it obviously otherwise they would not be voicing their opinion here at all. A lot of folks are just dismayed or disappointed with how ME3 ended up. Now you may be of the extremely thoughtful opinion of "Deal with it." Thing is that's exactly what folks are doing... Even as just a video game Mass Effect meant a lot to people. Also I don't see how anyone can deny the validity of this since if nothing else we've all probably invested a considerable amount of time in this series.

I can certainly testify that the few people I know who have beaten ME3 not one of them was pleased with ending. They didn't exactly get angry over it, but they've all basically put ME3 on the spot of the shelf where they will probably never open up the case again. Which to me is the greatest loss. I know I can be hard to please... but really this sort of thing just shouldn't have happened. Simple truth is many people will never experience the Extended Cut. For them Mass Effect is as long dead as Nihlus.

Also yes... a lot of folks probably did care as much if not more then you have. To which I must ask why does it matter to you? Why do you care that people don't care? Granted I can sort of understand why you think people are being disingenous. But I believe most people here are being earnest in their opinion even if they aren't voicing it well. Sorry we aren't all as thrilled with ME3. I personally would have liked nothing more for ME3 to be such a great game with an awesome ending that would immediately make me want to replay the whole thing. Unfortunately I have not touched the game since I first beat it.


I do have some hope for the Extended Cut as I do now finally understand what transpired. The thing is most people don't. They either don't want to look into things further or they misunderstand Bioware's poorly worded statements regarding the ending. Which is frustrating to me as there is little I can do then to convince others. There is unfortunately very poor communication between the fans and creators for which both parties are to blame.

[mcsupersport]

Ck my profile if you don't believe me, but the last post before this was a month ago. I check back on occasion to see if any EC news has turned up and keep abreast of patch or DLC news in general. O haven't played a match online in probably a month as well as not playing a single player game of ME in probably close to two months.

I have 30+ completed games with ME2 and probably close to that with ME. I managed to get to the Citadel on my second ME3 run before quitting.

I hope EC fixes the ending, but if it doesn't then oh, well, Skyrim is still fun with the mods and even has a new DLC coming. If I want shooter, I will probably go back to BF3 or MW3. I may be persuaded to buy DA3 if customer reviews are good enough and the price is low enough, and if not oh, well, there are other companies. Heck maybe I will reinstall the Witcher 1 and try to finish it and install Witcher 2 for the first time since it has been collecting dust on my shelf since release.

[Bluko]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

But no. Instead we have... well, whatever it is we got. However, is it just me, or is the most depressing thing about this not the ****ing ending, but rather that there are some people that defend it? I mean, are you some kind of inbred or something? Apart from being nonsensical, pretentious and absolutely broken. It flew against everything that we've been fighting for. And people still defend it? Retarded much or just busy deepthroating BioWare?

Yeah it really is scary to see people defend the endings out of insecurity. Much of it has to do with people not being able to accept they may had made a poor choice. Not sure why though as the whole thing is meant to deliberately do so. I guess it is easier for me as I was never really sure about any of the choices such that I deliberately viewed them all to see the differences. Though upon seeing the only real differences occur in the "Red Ending"  it so sort of became apparent.

It's also disheartening to see people turn a blind eye to the literally dozens of hints scattered in the game. They pratically beat you over the head with it by the end game too. Amazing how many continue to embrace the bliss of ignorance. Though most frightful thing to me is that there do seem to be some folks who really believe the Blue or Green Endings are the right things to do. To me that is really troubling since whether they admit it or not they have a very facist mindset. Granted just about everyone has such tendencies but it's always scary to see people embrace it. I mean really even if the endings are literal it doesn't change anything as...

Blue - Fool's Errand
Green - Submission
Red - Reckless Defiance

Granted I believe there is... more to the endings. But even though I believe the ending is Indoctrination I'm still not overtly fond of this either. Because it means Bioware was arrogant enough to release the game without a complete ending. Also I don't particularily enjoy that I have to wait several months more before we get it either. Kind of kills the mood when months later I'm going to have to boot up the game again for the additional 1-2 hour ending sequence. Really no idea what Bioware was thinking. This is one of those things that's too ambitious for it's own good.

Modifié par Bluko, 03 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[spirosz]

I highly doubt they'll add in an extra hour of two ending sequence. Doesn't seem to fit with EA's mindset.  We haven't even heard anything from the ME2 Voice Actors concerning the ending, just ME1 and ME3 crew, sad.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 03 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[Raphamon]

Kreidian wrote...

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong. 


Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.


For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie. 


But the ME3 ending changed all that.


Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.


And I just don't care.


Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.


Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.


You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.


Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.


And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity. 


These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.


I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on. 
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.

I completely agree with you. I was so excited playing through Mass Effect 3 and when I reached the game's ending all my hopes and dreams for this series were utterly wiped out in a matter of mere minutes. I honestly can't see how this game can have any sort of replay value. No one in their right mind would want to have to endure that BS ending more than once.

Before I got the game I was eagerly working out all the different playthroughs I would do and how I would build each one of my Shepards. Now, after completing the game for the first time and seeing that ending I am unable to bring myself to want to play this game again. Honestly I think I'm going to sell my copy of the game because the way the series ends is not right. I most certainly won't be buying another Bioware product any time soon after this mess.

If they decide to change the final 20 minutes of the game then all will be forgiven. If they don't then RIP Mass Effect series. 

[Praetor Knight]

I have not stopped caring, yet...

[Rockworm503]

Sh0dan wrote...

Art should not bend for the favor of the angry crowd. My hypocrite pseudo "hardcore" fans, stop treating the last 10 minutes with academic overanalyzing and nitpicking, while you've swallowed the logical flaws and scientific idiocy of 100 hours of gameplay. You complain about the synthesis of human DNA and synthetics in ME3? The theory behind the Human Reaper in ME2 has already blown an educated mind. You complain about Genocide? Batarians are ugly, but does it justify eradicating millions of them? You cry about murdering of your Geth friends? You've slaughtered tons throught the game. Edi testing the Reaper IFF, Joker surviving the explosion at the beginning of ME2 ... just to begin with. ( I hope ME2 spoilers are allowed here)


ME3 made some great improvements to the skillsystem and gameplay, especially compared to ME2&ME. While ME suffered its awkward movement and a "mindless" point-spending skillsystem, ME3 offered interesting choice about skilleffects and had a very fluid gameplay. In contrast ME2 was too oversimplified in all these aspects. ME3 has a good balance between the 3rd-person shooter and the RPG elements. Besides the annoying fetch quests, the lack of loyality missions and autodialogue ME3's gameplay itsself feels so much better than its predecessors. Keep it up, Bioware!

Yes yes and I suppose Transformers 3 is the best movie of all time.
Hell if we're calling it art everything is untouchable.  No one is allowed to say anything because art is perfect in everyway.
Good day sir any chance of me ever taking you seriously is gone.

[crazyrabbits]

Volus Warlord wrote...

 Never going to happen. Never.

It already happened with Dragon Age II. The dev team publicly came out a month after the game's release and admitted they screwed up. That's why I give them a lot more leeway than the ME team.

$5 says the ME dev team comes out in the next 6 months and apologizes for the game.

Modifié par crazyrabbits, 03 juin 2012 - 05:58 .