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[luchozuca]

Kreidian wrote...

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong. 


Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.


For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie. 


But the ME3 ending changed all that.


Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.


And I just don't care.


Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.


Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.


You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.


Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.


And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity. 


These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.


I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on. 
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.

It is very sad what ME has turned into with ME3 and its ending, 100% agree

[The Razman]

Your loss.

Come the next Mass Effect game, everyone will be talking about it again.

[RukiaKuchki]

OP - It's perfectly fair to say that you have finished with Mass Effect after your disappointment with the third installment, but do not extrapolate what you and your group of friends think to the greater population. That is, do not presume to know what I feel, what I want and what I will do. It just doesn't work like that. And do not look to the forum for confirmation and justification of your own negative feelings - yes you are doing this otherwise you wouldn't bother posting, you would just cut it dead and walk away. This whole 'woe is me, ME is ruined, Bioware lied to me, I have wasted my life!' nonsense is just, well, rather silly. And it doesn't matter if 5% or 95% hated the game/the ending...Bioware are under no obligation to pander to your desires. Maybe this will cost them with the current fickle generation of fans, but there will be new ones to replace you.

[-Skorpious-]

Despite giving up on Bioware, I can't say that I have done the same for the Mass Effect series (especially since the EC is being released soon).

The EC is going to make or break Mass Effect for me.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 14 mai 2012 - 11:13 .

[The Spamming Troll]

The Razman wrote...

Your loss.

Come the next Mass Effect game, everyone will be talking about it again.

not really.

how much money does bioware think they are going to make off of people renting their next game just to see if it doesnt suck balls?

[The Razman]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Your loss.

Come the next Mass Effect game, everyone will be talking about it again.

not really.

how much money does bioware think they are going to make off of people renting their next game just to see if it doesnt suck balls?

Then those people will realise it doesn't suck balls, if it doesn't. And then they buy it.

If they make a good game, people buy. If they don't, people don't. Regardless, the hype will still be there. Because it's Mass Effect.

[Kaelef]

Personal foul: Abuse of the term "Tragedy". -10 points

[napushenko]

more then on this one, wanna bet ?
same as they will make on da3 vs da2 & da 1.

and woe is me people will be there talking how **** it is and how they will never buy bioware game again

[Miss Be Hatin]

lillitheris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

ME3 is epic. Anybody who lets five minutes ruin an entire franchise for them is an extremely petty person.

Anyone who claims that someone’s experience can’t be ruined thus is an idiot. Just like anyone who claims that everyone’s is.

…

I agree. The worst thing for BioWare isn’t a huge number of fans who care about the universe being up and arms about something.

The worst thing is if we stop caring. Or when.

Agreed.

Sure its only 5 minutes, but truly? It just shows utter lack and care. If the own creators did this why should I care? This is why I dont become a fan of anything. I thought it was all a joke and free DLC would come out soon after march 6th.. like a week or maybe two. but nothing ? even now? whatever. I come on here like once a week now. soon I guess I'll stop caring all together as I did with the DA franchise. F**king EA..

[bleachorange]

I agree with the OP. I've simply lost interest in the franchise as a whole. I've played a grand total of 1 hour since the middle of March. and that only happened due to human psychology (the game updated and so I wondered if anything was new - nope). I agree though, this will join the countless 'might-have-beens' that litter cultural detritus everywhere.

[HeroofTime55]

crazyrabbits wrote...

HeroofTime55 wrote...

It was maybe "objectively bad" from a financial standpoint if EA winds up losing money over this.  But you cannot criticise the asthetic value of a work of art as being "objectively" good or bad, not the least reason being that "good" and "bad" in this sense are themselves entirely subjective concepts.  But A for effort.

Sure I can. Plenty of stories with "objectively bad" writing are blockbusters or hits. Look no further than the Transformers series for proof of that. You're skirting the issue - whether or not it makes money is beside the point. From almost every possible angle I can think of, the story contains objectively "bad" (i.e. elements noted in literary criticism and by general critics to be signs of bad writing) elements.

Try again.

Again, the Reapers.  The Reapers happened to win that battle (if you saved the queen).  And I'm fine with that.  I don't think the Rachni army should have been a guarentee.

It has more to do with the fact that the game was so streamlined that there is no penalty or hinderance based on the player's performance in the previous game. Whereas ME2 took on a decidedly different tone if you imported a save game, ME3 plays almost exactly the same regardless of whether you import or not.

Your comment about the Queen being left out if you killed is the one point I will agree with.

HeroofTime55 wrote...

Newsflash:  No story in the history of mankind ever "mattered."  The point is to enjoy the story.  How many Space Points you get at the end of ME3 is irrelevant.  It was never going to be relevant.  Just enjoy the story for it's own sake.  LotSB adds to the story, gives you information, and helps you develop your character.  Enjoy it for it's own sake.

Again, you're skirting the issue by trying to deflect the conversation. What matters in any narrative is the consistency of the story and how well it builds on the prior events. LotSB suggested a number of story elements that were either discarded or outright ignored in 3. Liara says that she can "start a war in 10 minutes" with all the resources she has (to use one example), but appears to be nothing more than the same information broker from the previous game in 3, regardless of whether you played the DLC or not.

It added nothing to the narrative, had little relevance to anything, and didn't even develop Shepard either. What was the point of it, then?

Your point about the War Assets is also interesting. If even you deem it to be "irrelevant", why was it programmed into the game in the first place?

HeroofTime55 wrote...

I have things to retort with.  I just don't think you are woth the effort.  People who assert that their opinions are actually hard fact generally aren't worth the effort.  I don't mind having a back and forth on what points we enjoyed or didn't enjoy about the game.  I do mind when you imply that absolute universal good and bad are tied directly to whatever does or does not tickle your fancy.

If you did have anything to retort with, you would have mentioned it by now. I concede points when I'm wrong, but you've done nothing but parrot the same party lines over and over again, while running back to try and prove your "superiority" over people who you claim just didn't get the game.

I can't tell if you're a persistent troll, or genuinely being obtuse for the sake of it. But please continue.

>believes that subjective things like asthetic value can be objectively good or bad
>calls other people obtuse

And this is why I'm no longer arguing with you.  Well, that, and, you know, I have other things to do with my life besides argue on the internet about a video game.

[D24O]

The Razman wrote...


Then those people will realise it doesn't suck balls, if it doesn't. And then they buy it.

If they make a good game, people buy. If they don't, people don't. Regardless, the hype will still be there. Because it's Mass Effect.

That statement worries me. Reminds me of COD, each game is filled with crap, yet people buy it because its COD. Hopefully ME doesn't follow this route.

Modifié par D24O, 14 mai 2012 - 11:28 .

[devSin]

I still hope the situation can be alleviated, even if not outright rectified.

But I do admit to not really having an interest anymore in the series beyond this.

Dragon Age can never get rid of me. But I care much less for the rest of BioWare these days.

[crazyrabbits]

HeroofTime55 wrote...

>believes that subjective things like asthetic value can be objectively good or bad
>calls other people obtuse

And this is why I'm no longer arguing with you.  Well, that, and, you know, I have other things to do with my life besides argue on the internet about a video game.

A narrative or story can be judged using objectively "bad" elements. Again, skirting the issue.

Please, just stop talking. Every word that comes out of your mouth makes you look like a bigger fool. You know, you probably shouldn't have registered for this site if you can't handle criticism.

[-Skorpious-]

napushenko wrote...

and woe is me people will be there talking how **** it is and how they will never buy bioware game again

I'll buy Bioware games again when they start making games that entertain me more than they disappoint. I am not unreasonable. 

[Gatt9]

Kreidian wrote...

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong. 

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The rest of your post was good,  but you have a major error right here.  Mass Effect is trivial.  The first two sold only around 2.5 million each from what I can tell.

OTOH,  Firefly sold ridiculous numbers of units.  4 years after it's DVD release,  it was still selling as much as a million dollars a week.

http://www.the-numbe...07/20070909.php

Then there's Avatar,  which did 2.3 billion dollars in revenue at the box office alone.  Mass Effect is really insiginficant in terms of impact.

Your loss.

Come the next Mass Effect game, everyone will be talking about it again.

No,  they really won't.  Three bad releases in a row means people will wait for the user reviews before they buy.  Especially considering all of the other stuff EA has been pulling.  I realize EA's official policy is "Gamers are sheep and you can just hand them anything and they'll come back",  but that's not how it really works.

Seriously,  even the investors realize EA's on a straight path downhill,  not real sure why you're still trying to pretend everything's just grand.

[BobZilla84]

Mass Effect 3 was not a terrible game but it was a rushed one and I think that alot of the major problems should have been looked into immediately.

The Ending Issues are just one of the major issues this game is saddled with along with the Love Intrest Disaster seriously that was a major cluster**** right there.I know that Bioware had to cut corners because honestly with Mass Effect & Mass Effect 2 and with the new additions in Mass Effect 3 there was just no way to give all of them proper treatment.

So Bioware made Liara T'Soni, Ashley Williams,Kaiden Alenko,Garrus Vakarian and Tali' Zorah vas Neema the best Romance Arcs and everyone else was tossed aside with Bioware cutting and stripping their Romance Arcs down and even ending some"Jacob & Thane".

The fact of the matter is I was not expecting a Happy Ending because I knew that this was the final chapter of the Shepard Saga but still I had hoped for a better ending for Shepard.

I hope the Extended Cut DLC helps restore your faith in this great series because its still one of the best Game series out there.

[SP2219]

I agree. Because of the ending I don't really care anymore. I want to care, but I don't. Very sad

[napushenko]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...


So Bioware made Liara T'Soni, Ashley Williams,Kaiden Alenko,Garrus Vakarian and Tali' Zorah vas Neema the best Romance Arcs and everyone else was tossed aside with Bioware cutting and stripping their Romance Arcs down and even ending some"Jacob & Thane".



I hope the Extended Cut DLC helps restore your faith in this great series because its still one of the best Game series out there.

Thane was terminaly ill, what did you want, to live happily everafter ?  
Be careful who you **** with. 

Btw, my romance was Miranda and i felt it was masterfully done in third part. 

[napushenko]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...


So Bioware made Liara T'Soni, Ashley Williams,Kaiden Alenko,Garrus Vakarian and Tali' Zorah vas Neema the best Romance Arcs and everyone else was tossed aside with Bioware cutting and stripping their Romance Arcs down and even ending some"Jacob & Thane".



I hope the Extended Cut DLC helps restore your faith in this great series because its still one of the best Game series out there.

Thane was terminaly ill, what did you want, to live happily everafter ?  
Be careful who you **** with. 

Btw, my romance was Miranda and i felt it was masterfully done in third part. 

[HeroofTime55]

crazyrabbits wrote...

HeroofTime55 wrote...

>believes that subjective things like asthetic value can be objectively good or bad
>calls other people obtuse

And this is why I'm no longer arguing with you.  Well, that, and, you know, I have other things to do with my life besides argue on the internet about a video game.

A narrative or story can be judged using objectively "bad" elements. Again, skirting the issue.

Please, just stop talking. Every word that comes out of your mouth makes you look like a bigger fool. You know, you probably shouldn't have registered for this site if you can't handle criticism.

I registered for this site to report a bug that is preventing me from playing ME3, including the single player.

My posting in this thread is an indulgence on the side.

There are no "objectively" good or bad stories or elements of a story or anything.  You cite as "evidence" the opinions of known critics.  Allow me to highlight the key word of that argument:  Opinions.  In other words, subjective statements.

I don't argue with people who deny logic and reality.  But I felt it OK to at least detail why you are wrong.

I'm going to keep enjoying ME3 and I hope it upsets you that my high opinion of the game is "objectively wrong" or whatever silly little thing you believe.

[deatharmonic]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

It didn't ruin Mass Effect 3 either. You claim that Bioware ruined the ending when it's been revealed that the entire game was an ending. Everything Bioware claimed about the series conclusion was meant to apply to the entire game, not the last five minutes.

Look, we have no problems understanding that you and some 20% of other players were fine with it. More power to you.

Do you understand that the rest of us weren’t? That it actually does ruin the series for some person who is not you?

Out of three and a half million sales worldwide, only about 60 or so thousand are making complaints about the ending, and you say we're the 20%?

where are these stats? I think people on both sides should stop throwing imaginary numbers at eachother unless they can provide a reputable source. - can't believe how many times i see random figures thrown around 

[JerZey CJ]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I don't care that you don't care.

ME3 is epic. Anybody who lets five minutes ruin an entire franchise for them is an extremely petty person.

Also for the record about that comic, only the red explosion at the lowest EMS kills everyone, other results only damage everything except organics or just target the Reapers and nothing else.

When a Relay explodes, it blows up the ENTIRE system that it is located in. So no, NOBODY should be left alive, but it will most likely end up another plot hole on BW's part.

[napushenko]

You know, proffesional critics wouldnt be proffesional for very long if they dont do things objectively. 

Fans are by nature subjective, profi critics dont have the luxury to be and must look at the content from all sides and then & only then tell us their subjective opinion. And they do take all things into account. 
Btw, they do make mistakes but those are exception to the rule and they  have more experience and knowledge of games then the average gamer. 
At least those who work in major gaming magazines & portals. 

[The Milky Waver]

The endings did that much to you? Damn.