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[Roenik]

I've seen this before.

Remember Origin?  Not the online service.  The game developer.  Makers of Wing Commander, Ultima series, and many more.

Speaking of Ultima, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_7 was the best in the series, and the last made by Origin before EA came along and bought them out.

Then followed en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_8 to very poor reviews.  Entire game mechanics were dumbed down to arcade style, and Richard Garriott himself stated the game was at least 3 months from completion when they were forced to ship.  The expansion that was supposed to follow (which would have completed the story) never got finished, leaving the NPC residents of Pagan forever in a cataclysm.

Sound familiar?

Garriott stated multiple times in interviews that after the EA buyout, Origin played "the good little dev" company and followed the publishers wishes.  Game quality went down fast.

I still believe that Bioware is an amazing developer, hands down.  EA at the helm however is what we're seeing here.  The ME3 ending was rushed to the point that a DLC is now required to explain it all. 

Left to their own devices and timeline, Bioware could have made it what we expected.

Modifié par Roenik, 15 mai 2012 - 12:21 .

[HeroofTime55]

napushenko wrote...

You know, proffesional critics wouldnt be proffesional for very long if they dont do things objectively. 

Fans are by nature subjective, profi critics dont have the luxury to be and must look at the content from all sides and then & only then tell us their subjective opinion. And they do take all things into account. 
Btw, they do make mistakes but those are exception to the rule and they  have more experience and knowledge of games then the average gamer. 
At least those who work in major gaming magazines & portals. 

All a critic is paid for is to provide his opinion.  An opinion is still a distinct entity from a fact.  And therefore is subjective and not objective.  This line of reasoning that ME3 is "objectively" bad is nothing more than a fallacious appeal to authority.  People really need to learn what the word "objective" means.

That said, most of the professional reviews I read praised the game.  Most of the people complaining are average fans.

[Loup Blanc]

Totally agree OP.

I truly believed Mass Effect had the capacity to be the Star Wars of this generation. And the ridiculously horrible ending changed all that.

People have moved on and no longer care. This is my case.

The one thing I won't forget and forgive is the way Bioware employees have treated us. Not one more penny from me.

[Devouree]

HeroofTime55 wrote...

Eclipse merc wrote...

Except the part where it was supposed to tie up all the loose ends and give answers to all the questiona?

I don't know about you, but it answered a lot of my questions.

It also gave me a whole lot of new questions.  But I' glad it did.  It means there is more to discover, there is more to ponder about and think about.  Much like life, it would be dreadfully boring if we knew everything.  Mystery is a good thing.

I would like to know where Bioware ever claimed it would "tie up all the loose ends" and "give answers to all the questions" with emphasis on the word "all."  Please get back to me if you can find such a statement.

BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things.
Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to
provide some answers to these people."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry

Also;

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/


And as for your "the entire third game is the ending"

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”


http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

BioWare did not consider all of ME3 the ending, note 'all three campaigns', therefore your decisions have impacts but not to the ending.

I don't really have any problem with people who like the ending, its subjective and entirely up to them. But by defending it as blindly as you are, you are endorsing the conduct of BioWare in giving us outright lies and extremely misleading statements and promises.

[bleachorange]

down with bioware! up with tofu!

Modifié par bleachorange, 15 mai 2012 - 01:34 .

[dragonflight288]

down with bioware! up with tofu!

smilie

and bacon!

[London]

I also agree and presently do not care; I used to log into my Datapad App every day to keep my ... wow I don't even remember right now what it was called.  Galactic Readiness rating?

Well, Mass Effect was a highly enjoyable experience until the ending.  After which I tried to replay because I figured that I enjoyed the journey, but stopped shortly after Mars. 

I'm just waiting on the extended cut to see if that helps things any; I also removed Dragon Age and Dragon Age 2 from my hard drive over the weekend. 

Aside from Diablo 3 and Resident Evil 6, I'm kind of done with gaming for now.

[loungeshep]

I'm guessing from the volume of these threads that there's a lot of Mass Effect fans in therapy and on anti-depressants at this point? Some under a suicide watch?

Damn, at least Transformers fans got over bayformers.

[London]

Indifference isn't depression; in fact in this case the bad ending might have done some fans a favor. No longer caring about ME, they can move on to do more practical things with their time than fuss over this.

[HeroofTime55]

But I enjoyed watching Lost.

Regardless, ME3 satisfied me for the most part. Some complaints, between day one DLC and it being riddled with bugs, but as far as story goes, it has me completely satisfied. I am looking forward to the EC as an expansion on an already great ending rather than a "do-over."

[Andromidius]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I don't care that you don't care.

ME3 is epic. Anybody who lets five minutes ruin an entire franchise for them is an extremely petty person.

Also for the record about that comic, only the red explosion at the lowest EMS kills everyone, other results only damage everything except organics or just target the Reapers and nothing else.

I wish I had your ability to ignore sloppy game design.

And yeah, I'm starting to not care.  Bioware's bad attitude has killed that.  If it wasn't for that, I may have just said 'okay, fine, one bad game...what's next?'

But being insulted?  Yeah, you lost a future customer.  Good job.

[CommanderWilliams]

I died on the inside after the ending.
Extended cut, more bull****?
I'll pass.

[bleachorange]

down with ea! up with cauliflower!

yes, ea ranks higher on my hate list right now than cauliflower.

[sth88]

Well said OP.

At this point I can say that I only care about the franchise enough to wait for the EC, in the hope that maybe, just maybe, against all odds and in spite of everything Bioware has said about it, that it might actually fix the ending. Hey, they lied about the game the first time, maybe we'll get lucky and they lied about what the EC would be, too.

But I doubt it. And Bioware will lose me as a customer and advocate because of it.

[PolyonymousC]

Yeah agreed...
ME3 made me realize that the majority of the lore of this series is stupid and contrived, but the characters where written and focused on enough for me to overlook it in ME1 and ME2...

[WolfForce99]

digby69 wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Have to agree. After the ending I've pretty much taken a break from the ME universe.

Might get back into it again though, depends on the EC.

same here

Agreed.

[CARL_DF90]

I tend to agree with you OP. EA/Bioware's shortsightedness with the Deception (potboiler) novel and the ending debacle, and they have singlehandedly ruined the franchise for a LOT of people. Couple that with their poor attitude and how out of touch they have acted towards these issues as of late and this is only going to come back to haunt them. For me personally, a Bioware product was a day-one purchase, and I could trust whatever they said with no doubts. Now? I'll read user reviews before buying ANYTHING from them, and after all those misleading comments (i.e. lies) from the devs pre and post gold phase, and I take whatever they say with a grain of salt. Sad days indeed.

[TheBlackBaron]

Filament wrote...

I'm glad I've never been terribly enthusiastic about this franchise so that I don't have to carry a bucket around to collect my tears for every time I think about the ME3 ending and agonize over what could have been.

I was terribly enthusiastic about this franchise and I still don't spend my every moment agonizing over the ME3 ending.

Personally I find things to be much more enjoyable when I don't spend my every waking moment gnashing teeth on the BSN and crying about how Bioware's "lost me as a customer" and "I'll be waiting for trustworthy user reviews" and other such phrases people cloak themselves in to make them appear like mature intellectuals instead of sad children. 

[Aurora313]

To be perfectly frank, even if I'm proves otherwise by the extended cut. I'm sticking to the indoctrination theory. With the Indoctrination theory, I don't feel half as bad about the destroy ending. In fact I feel better for it, because if the Reapers were watching my Shepard's actions. They'd probably think 'Oh crap, even with the three options we presented to him. Shepard'll still choose to destroy us.'

Although I'm annoyed that Shepard personally couldn't reach a 'perfect possible future' of his own. I had been debating with some of my friends and through the entire story, they determined (and I'm inclined to agree) that Shepard was looking for death all along. For some kind of release from having to fight the Reapers, even if he had to go down with them.

Now I'm fine with that, but in my mind, the last romance scene - particularly with Ash when Shepard says 'Lets get it down, and go home' - its the point where Shepard realised that he does want to survive, he wants to come back for her, for his friends. What frustrates me is that he should have the option to be reunited with them again - even if you need to grind 10k warassets in multiplayer and have Galactic readiness at 100% I would do it gladly. Because it's the perfect ending, it should be the hardest and most satisfying to achieve.

As the endings stand, I could do whatever I wanted in the last two games, whatever I wanted in 3, grind multiplayer for a week and still get this supposed 'best' outcome. It doesn't feel like my actions have affected anything aside from how much time I need to spend in multiplayer.

I stopped caring from the minute I saw the endings. When I heard about the indoctrination theory, then I felt hopeful again. What pisses me off the most is the damn child and the nightmares. What would have made it more appealing to me is if it were the Virmire Victim taking the child's place. They were the first friend Shepard had to sacrifice in the war, and the one of the closest companions he had in the first game.

[TheLeetSkweet]

the ending is actually the second biggest problem for me.

i think that the biggest screw-up on bioware's part is that THEY STILL HAVEN'T FIXED THE FRAKKING FACE IMPORTS YET

[Cutlass Jack]

I'm sorry. Did anyone ever actually care about the Mass Effect comics prior to the ME3 ending? They've all been pretty terrible, so its a little unfair to blame the ending on your lack of interest in them.

[Aurora313]

@Cutlass Jack. I did, if for nothing else but the Artstyle.

[CARL_DF90]

Yeah, faces made with loving attention to detail where you spent like 2 frakking hours making it all the way back in ME1 ruined in just a few seconds of EA/Bioware incompetence. Oy. I feel you there.