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[Raycer X]

Yeah, I just stopped caring. Artstic integrity can go kiss my **** at this point. Unless there was a major reversal of ME3's ending via the DLC content--which it won't--then I'm not going to bother with playing ME3 at all.

I'm not so sure how the MP is doing these days, but I frankly don't care to log in and find out. I'll wait for the extended cut DLC and see what was clarified though.

It should be interesting to see how Bioware explains the ending. Hell I have 2 files in the middle of replays but I stopped for about 5-6 weeks now.

[res27772]

Gokuthegrate wrote...

Agreed.

Ditto - I'm finding it hard to care now as well... it's obvious THEY don't.

[Core_Commander]

crazyrabbits wrote...
You're not considering the lore or the circumstances set by the plot, though.

1) It has been explained several times in the trilogy that no one in the galaxy knows how to construct or build a Mass Relay. The Asari might know (as per the dialogue from Liara), but they're either unwilling or lack the drive to get them rebuilt - I believe it was said that they had a "needle in a haystack" chance of figuring it out. In the absence of any other information, it's a logical assumption that galactic trade and travel as a whole, at least in the following century, is effectively non-existent. Any "official" explanation must, by its nature, be either a retcon or an a**pull. Anything else is just fanwanking.

Nice post (no sarcasm). Unfortunately no time for a longer discussion, but I'll just address the point where I really disagree:

you're saying that "no one in the galaxy knows". But the situation changes after the ending. You either have Reapers under human control (which I personally believe is a disaster waiting to happen), docile Reapers that may be bargained with, or a ton of inactive Reapers ready to be picked apart and reverse-engineered.

Protheans figured MR tech on their own and managed to get it working with minimal resources available (as they were being steamrolled by the Reapers at the time), asari "lacked the drive" and probably some knowledge, but after the ending (destroy, in my case - damn shame about the geth though) there's a ton of technology just waiting to be picked apart. In two short years after ME1, there were great strides in technology just from bits and pieces of Sovereign ("not even half of the damn thing", according to Anderson). Now you have entire Reaper hulls (I'm assuming sans indoctrination since they were powered down from "up top"), Relay debris (previously impenetrable), everything. Ships still work, ME tech still works, VI should still be operational (or easy to re-make). What kind of research do you think people can pull with that?

Of course, docile Reapers can just build the damn things again themselves. It's really not as grim as people make it out to be, even if Earth does get eaten by krogan, it's hardly the only human planet either. It's not like everybody in the galaxy was turned into a caveman. Sure, the civilization will collapse for a while, but has a ton of opportunity and materials to stand back up.


By the way, I'm not saying "you can't be happy and get closure". I wouldn't be opposed to the "ice cream" scenario, had it happened (and be well-told - ME2 left me with some of a "that's it?" feeling, since the big scary Collectors looked like bugs and were squashed about just as easily), but... I'm just saying it has been foreshadowed since the very beginning, since the "rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh" dialogue had made the stakes clear, so I don't see how people got blindsided by that and what the big shock is all about.

Considering the scale of the whole thing, it would seem to me that the galaxy got off easy this time.

And yeah, sure there will be DLC, I'm just saying that a "safe" ending would make DLC absolutely certain to sell, while "unorthodox" one risks making fans disenfranchised... which this thread is about. If investors had a lot to say there, I'd hazard a guess that they'd tell people to "make a game which we're sure to be selling for years to come", rather than definitive closing of a chapter.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 15 mai 2012 - 12:10 .

[DaJe]

I have seen this happening several times.
When the Dawn of War sequel was going a different direction that wasn't even properly fleshed out, instead of improving the popular forumlar, I just stopped caring and so did many others. The main forum turned into a ghost town and there is hardly any news now.

When EPIC made UT3 into a pathetic consolized standard shooter missing proven end expected key features I and many others stopped caring for the series. There were still more people playing the previous games online, because they simply had better gameplay, much better interfaces and overall polish.
I bet to this day there are more playing the original unreal tournament from 1999 than UT3.

And the best most recent example is Dragon Age 2. A cheap, watered down, rushed money grab that looks worse than 5 year old games. A calculated but short sighted rush job for the purpose of cashing in on the now gone reputation.
So many people have simply stopped caring about the DA franchise. During Origins times there would be exciting new mods out by the community almost everyday (and lots of bad ones too ofcourse). Now dragonagenexus has minimal activity and the mods that make it to the front page are not even interesting.

Mass Effect is slowing down rapidly. It had a great reputation and thus a lot of momentum, but with the current direction it's taking it's place among the blob of names that came out of this industry without sticking out anymore.

[Arcadian Legend]

Well, you cared enough to post that you didn't care.

[billy the squid]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Well, you cared enough to post that you didn't care.

Exactly. If it's a tragedy we're in luck, it worked for Shakespeare.

Modifié par billy the squid, 15 mai 2012 - 12:35 .

[Mylia Stenetch]

res27772 wrote...

Gokuthegrate wrote...

Agreed.

Ditto - I'm finding it hard to care now as well... it's obvious THEY don't.

If they did not why even bother making games? Why should they care if they make games or not if they do not care? Why bother making DLC if they do not care? Why having a forum for people say they do not care if they do not care?

[Mylia Stenetch]

laudable11 wrote...

BioWare is just another videogame company now.

They used to be speical.

Yes before they were a Game developement company in which people put on a pedistle thinking they could do no wrong. Now they are a game development company.

[tMc Tallgeese]

Another "Mass Effect 3's ending ruined my life" thread. Turn off the system and go do something else. All a thread like this accomplishes is tell people you weren't happy. No one cares that you're unhappy. Getting a bad ending to the game, in your eyes, should be shaken off just like any other game that doesn't live up to its hype.

With that said, I do believe Mass Effect is the best science fiction universe of this generation, right up there with Battlestar Galactica's re-imagined series. It delivered an epic journey with amazing ensemble of characters. Allowing us a chance to shape the story along different paths and make decisions based on our own morals or justification was a leap ahead of what most franchises are doing. Was the trilogy perfect? Not by a longshot, but it was a treasure to behold.

[napushenko]

some people really think they have some influence over developers or something. like spoiled brats, il cry and be angry if i dont get a lollypop

[KBomb]

napushenko wrote...

Thane was terminaly ill, what did you want, to live happily everafter ?  
Be careful who you **** with. 

Btw, my romance was Miranda and i felt it was masterfully done in third part. 

 He never said anything about not wanting Thane to die or that he was upset because Thane died. I can't speak for him, but he is most likely talking about the poor writing and laziness surrounding the romance arcs.



If you're rolling a straight Shepard and you're male, you get Liara and Ashley. You get Tali, Jack and Miranda if they were romanced in ME2.



If you're rolling a straight female, you get Kaidan and Garrus if romanced in ME2. The relationship with Jacob ends regardless and is done so in the most asinine way possible. He leaves you for a woman and knocks her up. He rubs it in your face and is basically unapologetic for it. It's childish, out of character and reminiscent of something you'd see on some trashy talk show. That is poor writing.



As for Thane, I don't care that he died. It's the fact that if you romanced him, nothing changes. You get the same scene and the same dialogue for frienship—except he calls you Siha. When his son thanks you for coming, you tell him Thane helped you kill a lot of people and you owed it to him. That is lazy writing.



Imo, the endings are but one of the many things that made ME3 a sub-par game. I can tell you what is worse than the endings: sycophants. You know, the ones who continuously post mockingly about the retakers and how anyone who is unhappy with the endings or the game are just angry because they didn't get a happy ending. Those who label anyone with a complaint as a whiner. Yeah, those guys. They're one of the reasons the games are becoming numb. When you willingly accept mediocrity, the standards stop there. Just my opinion, of course.

[Psycho0124]

napushenko wrote...

some people really think they have some influence over developers or something. like spoiled brats, il cry and be angry if i dont get a lollypop

Cry more fanboy/paid troll. It's a good laugh seeing people whine about whining.
I'll stick to keeping my wallet in my pocket in the future.
How's that for influence?

[GaDun]

Is not everything about the bad ending. I played first ME like 4 or 5 times and never got bored. Then ME2 come out, everything was changed, no more loot, out of nowhere ammo popped out and the best SF RPG I've d ever played transformed into a shooter wannabe. That made me think about buying ME3 and thanks to this post I ain't gonna do that. Thx Kreidian for your effort. There are ppl who won't take any **** and ppl who will eat it by the gallon and try to convince others that is a good thing, your choice which category u r in it.

[OlympusMons423]

A year ago I pre-ordered this game. I was waiting all that time imagining how great it was going to be. For the most part it was..... but yeah the ending. I still can;t see how anyone creative would think that was the best they could do. We keep beating this same drum, over ad over and over again. I;m sorry BioWare but its for a reason. I will give you a chance with this extended cut though. Treat this chance better and with the appropriate respect thats called for...You know not like you did with a Tali revealed face. God how may chanced to you get to have something like that to play with for mass effect... and then treat it like a rough proof in the final product.

[spirosz]

Yeah, I'm basically in the same boat. I get more excited hearing about some Vorcha for MP, compared to the EC. Anything SP related just feels like a downer, which depresses me because I was planning to replay the game so many times throughout these few months. Good game, can't say it isn't, but the direction they took it just doesn't fit what I was expecting and hoping for from Bioware. For me personally, it's not even the ending, I just don't feel like my "Shepard" is being played throughout the last game - first it had to do with the face import issue (like what the **** Bioware), then the most important thing - the auto-dialogue kills it for me. "Hey Bioware! Take away control from our Shepards!"

[Vez04]

Kreidian wrote...

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong. 


Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.


For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie. 


But the ME3 ending changed all that.


Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.


And I just don't care.


Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.


Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.


You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.


Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.


And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity. 


These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.


I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on. 
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.

Well then do you think most of us honestly care about someones opionion that just sound to me like another ''BioWare won't get my money anymore''?

[KBomb]

Vez04 wrote...


Well then do you think most of us honestly care about someones opionion that just sound to me like another ''BioWare won't get my money anymore''?

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Well, you cared enough to post that you didn't care.

[res27772]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

res27772 wrote...

Gokuthegrate wrote...

Agreed.

Ditto - I'm finding it hard to care now as well... it's obvious THEY don't.

If they did not why even bother making games? Why should they care if they make games or not if they do not care? Why bother making DLC if they do not care? Why having a forum for people say they do not care if they do not care?

I can answer that with one word.... KERCHING!!!

[Mylia Stenetch]

res27772 wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

res27772 wrote...

Gokuthegrate wrote...

Agreed.

Ditto - I'm finding it hard to care now as well... it's obvious THEY don't.

If they did not why even bother making games? Why should they care if they make games or not if they do not care? Why bother making DLC if they do not care? Why having a forum for people say they do not care if they do not care?

I can answer that with one word.... KERCHING!!!

That means they care. They care about making money and they care about the product the put foward to maximize their profits.

[SP2219]

Atakuma wrote...

It is unfortunate that bioware severely overestimated the emotional intelligence of it's audience.

Sorry, but I think the word you're looking for is underestimated.  Oh and if you are so intelligent, please remember to use a capital B in Bioware, that's what's called a proper noun.  You can make this distinction if you are, as you say "emotionally intelligent."

I would be inclined to have some respect for you, if instead of just making contrived statements, you actually made some attempt to explain yourself.  

And I don't know where you got the term "emotional intelligence" from.  The two things are really quite seperate.  Emotions are uncontrollable reactions we humans experience in response to particular situations, and is there, primarily, as a means of survival and actualisation of our goals.  Intelligence describes our ability to reason and make logical conclusions from these situations regardless of our emotional response.  In short, the term "emotional intelligence" is just a word.  It does not exist.  Emotions and intelligence are two distinguishable things, and one can easily exist without the other.

For instance, there are people present in our societies that are psychopathic.  In other words, they experience little or no emotion whatsoever - for one reason or another they lack empathy, the ability to place themselves in other people's shoes.  However, many psychopaths can be very intelligent, and often excel in intellectual pursuits.  It is this fact that can make psychopaths very dangerous.  

I hope this clarifies that emotional empathy and intelligence need not co-exist together.  However it is very good when they do.  Humans should always strive to be both empathic and intelligent, but lacking either of these due to a pre-disposition is nothing to be ashamed of.  It's not about what you have, it's about what you do with what you've got that determines whether or not you are a good person.  I could be both empathic and intelligent, but if I spend my time trying to tell other people how stupid they are, when in actual fact their thoughts and feelings on a particular issue are entirely valid, then I am not really worthy of respect am I?

So clearly I disagree with you, but notice how I actually explained why I think and feel that way.  It is fine to disagree with someone. JUST EXPLAIN WHY.

[napushenko]

KBomb wrote...

napushenko wrote...

Thane was terminaly ill, what did you want, to live happily everafter ?  
Be careful who you **** with. 

Btw, my romance was Miranda and i felt it was masterfully done in third part. 

If you're rolling a straight female, you get Kaidan and Garrus if romanced in ME2. The relationship with Jacob ends regardless and is done so in the most asinine way possible. He leaves you for a woman and knocks her up. He rubs it in your face and is basically unapologetic for it. It's childish, out of character and reminiscent of something you'd see on some trashy talk show. That is poor writing.



As for Thane, I don't care that he died. It's the fact that if you romanced him, nothing changes. You get the same scene and the same dialogue for frienship—except he calls you Siha. When his son thanks you for coming, you tell him Thane helped you kill a lot of people and you owed it to him. That is lazy writing.

I saw the part with Thane on youtube and it looked nice and sad. You dont get same dialogue at all as i saw. 

And what about it if Jacob leaves you ? Thats actually a fun part and realistic. Lazy thing would be just to give him a couple of sweet love things and bye bye. 

[Mylia Stenetch]

SP2219 wrote...

And I don't know where you got the term "emotional intelligence" from.  

For your question. 
http://en.wikipedia....al_intelligence 

[res27772]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

res27772 wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

res27772 wrote...

Gokuthegrate wrote...

Agreed.

Ditto - I'm finding it hard to care now as well... it's obvious THEY don't.

If they did not why even bother making games? Why should they care if they make games or not if they do not care? Why bother making DLC if they do not care? Why having a forum for people say they do not care if they do not care?

I can answer that with one word.... KERCHING!!!

That means they care. They care about making money and they care about the product the put foward to maximize their profits.

Are you in politics?  Cause that was half-decent spin, lol.

[napushenko]

btw meeting him at first time in citadel you get different dialogue too so i dont know what youre talking about.

here is jacob too and yes, it felt rushed , but i dont know.. i like it that he leaves you seems realistic somehow

[Mylia Stenetch]

res27772 wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

res27772 wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

res27772 wrote...

Gokuthegrate wrote...

Agreed.

Ditto - I'm finding it hard to care now as well... it's obvious THEY don't.

If they did not why even bother making games? Why should they care if they make games or not if they do not care? Why bother making DLC if they do not care? Why having a forum for people say they do not care if they do not care?

I can answer that with one word.... KERCHING!!!

That means they care. They care about making money and they care about the product the put foward to maximize their profits.

Are you in politics?  Cause that was half-decent spin, lol.

I work for a national ISP, politics and spinning is what we need to do when something breaks.