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[me3player]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

if EMS is over 4000, only Reapers are hurt by the crucible, meaning EDI and the Geth are alright. Confirmed by Jessica Merizan and will more than likely be in Extended Cut.

Maybe when playing Twitter with Jessica Merizan.
I played ME3 only and Geth and EDI has gone.

It cannot be true as darklarke stated (blog.bioware.com/2012/04/05/mass-effect-3-extended-cut/):

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
  

Or someone is not telling the truth.

[KBomb]

napushenko wrote...


I saw the part with Thane on youtube and it looked nice and sad. You dont get same dialogue at all as i saw. 

Even one of the writers admit that the ball was dropped in Thane's scene.

According to Patrick Weekes from his LiveJournal:


“Yeah, I wasn’t in charge of Thane, but I see Thane’s death situation as one of those things that’s the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn’t click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.”


Romanced at 1:48


Non-Romance at 1:10


Virtually the same, save a line or two. The entire Citadel scene is the same.

And what about it if Jacob leaves you ? Thats actually a fun part and realistic. Lazy thing would be just to give him a couple of sweet love things and bye bye.

Fun and realistic? I guess it's fun if you like baby daddy drama and Maury Polvich. Realistic? Uh, no. It's completely out of character for Jacob and made a mockery of who he was, what he represented and not to mention the entire thing was ludicrous. Only someone who is immature could find that situation appropriate and fun. If you mean “laughable” then I might agree. How ridiculous when “his woman” gets in your face to tell you how Jacob is hers. Mass Effect 3: Jerry Springer Edition. lulz


 
Edit:

btw meeting him at first time in citadel you get different dialogue too so i dont know what youre talking about.

No, I am not referring to the first time you see him. Though the attack of the suck face was charming. /sarcasm

Modifié par KBomb, 15 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[Arkitekt]

I also feel the same, i.e., an utter 180 on my "feelings" towards Mass Effect. Due to what it exactly boils down to, I can't really grasp entirely. Perhaps it's the hazy feeling that ME3 produces on me, as if the developers were doing the game despite itself, tired with long hours and filled with a sense of burning out.

ME3 feels like a crescendo of weariness. Shepard is even told by the crew how "tired" he/she seems to be. And then at the end, the end is an utter massive whisper, no matter how "bangy" it shallowly looks. And so by the end of the game, one just feels tired. Weared. No more of this, one thinks. And one won't have any more of it - I played the game after hours of work at the office, and the last thing I need is more weariness in my life - so one just stops playing.

Whenever I think of ME3, my mouth simply closes off and my eyes want to shut down, and just sleep.

They had to end ME3 on another note altogether. A note that said something on the line of "I'd do all of this stuff again in a heartbeat!" (could even be a line of Shepard), and made the player feel "Yeah, I just want to play this awesome experience all over again!!"

Kinda sweetly mirrors the marathon of Bioware since ME inception. They are tired. Weared. And now have to deal with angry fans due to the maneure having crossed the ventilation shaft.

So that's what ME feels to me. Even the blog posts and twitter news of ME so "joyful" and hung go seem so out of tune it doesn't even feel part of the same universe.

Modifié par Arkitekt, 15 mai 2012 - 02:20 .

[Bongo506]

Yea, I agree with OP. I used to get excited about the books, etc. Now I just don't care anymore.

I mean whats the point. Everyone dies and/or is stranded at the end of the game so why pay attention to the books, or comics, or clarification dlc. I can clarify the ending too it for myself, I hated it.

I know that is just my opinion, and not everyone feels the same way. But now, the words "mass effect" just puts a negative thought in my head and I have no urge to read any of the books I missed or buy any of the merch.

[Noelemahc]

The outstanding problem is that in the timespan where BioWare was supposed to be keeping us interested, they instead did their very best to aggravate the hate for the endings, which inflamed the forums, and distracted people from playing into discussing.... those who didn't get up and leave after first seeing the ending, of course. The nonvocal majority isn't simply "going" to leave, I'm willing to bet most of them are already GONE. And not all of them will be even trying the EC, I'm certain, let alone consider getting DLC for a game that failed to satisfy.

The trick is that the people that have been around since ME1? We're offended that its events were retconned or rendered moot (at best) by the ending.

The people drawn in by ME2? Their LIs have been mistreated for the most part, the cool stuff that ME2 had drawn them in with is mostly absent from ME3.

The newcomers? Why they should be sticking around? The story they get is absurdly depressing FROM THE VERY START, unlike that the imported characters get. It's like an exercise in mental masochism.

TLDR: The amount of grimdark was unjustified, uncalled for and, what's worse, totally unwarnedusabout.

I bet to this day there are more playing the original unreal tournament from 1999 than UT3.

Mainly because it's the least bogged down by unnecessary graphical elements (seriously, UT2K3/4 looked like they were Quake spin-offs, while UT3 was essentially UT: GoW Edition), it had the best soundtrack, it runs on anything up from a P1 200 with 32 megs of RAM and no 3d video card and up to a modern machine, and there are gazillions of mods to add whichever features of the newer games you might theoretically require. Although LowGrav InstaGib CTF is still the best game mode evar, a fact established way back when the UT's demo just came out.

During Origins times there would be exciting new mods out by the community almost everyday (and lots of bad ones too ofcourse).

Part of that was because the DA2 mods had to be either kitbashed or made with the DAO Toolkit. Due to a lack of a dedicated mod creation tool that DAO had, the entry level into modding was much higher, complicating things to no end. And that shows the opinion BW had of its fans, nachrallee.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 15 mai 2012 - 02:25 .

[hangmans tree]

ME3 ending is an epitomy of what is wrong with this game.

[string3r]

This is getting absurd now.

I agree that the ending was a steaming abomination that ruined the Mass Effect franchise, but making these silly, over-melodramatic threads is just getting annoying.

[napushenko]

guess what, almost everywhere else i go on the internet, people adore this game and said that they never experienced this amount of emotional conection with the characters, and almost everywhere there is some guy who tells them they are being stupid because ending sucked.

[Ricinator]

Kreidian wrote...

 At one point Mass Effect was considered THE Sci-Fi Saga of our generation. People would talk about it with the same level of reverence they once held for Star Wars back when it could do no wrong. 


Back then people poured over every scrap of the franchise. Every book, every comic, everything that had anything to do with Star Wars was rabidly devoured ( and thus paid for ) by the fans.


For a while people were hoping Mass Effect would reach such heights. Myself, along with many loyal fans, were eager to consume every bit of Mass Effect content we could find. I actually used to be excited for the possibility of the next ME comic series, the next book, or the next movie. 


But the ME3 ending changed all that.


Now I receive e-mails from BioWare's newsletter telling me about the next great Mass Effect comic series, I read the tweets talking about all the EXCITING things coming for ME3 DLC. I see all these tantalizing excerpts of things that I once sought with gusto.


And I just don't care.


Who cares about Vega's past before meeting Shepard? He'll just end up dying to Harbinger's lasers if he's lucky, an ultimately worthless sacrifice that allows you to pick the color that screws the galaxy.


Who cares what Tali was up to between ME2 and ME3? She'll likely die of starvation on some random planet for not good reason whatsoever.


You say there's an exciting new Anime coming out? I don't care.
You say there's some awesome work being done on future DLC? I don't care.


Even if you could explain all that stuff away with the EC DLC, none of that matters because in the end you still have to deal with an absolutely horrible ending to the entire story of Mass Effect. Clarifying it won't make it any less horrible, nor will it get people to start caring again.


And this is what your average non-vocal majority will be feeling for the most part. The average fan who never bothered to post here because they just don't care anymore. Because to be brutally honest, the vast non-vocal majority couldn't care less about your artistic integrity. 


These were the people that I used to champion the Mass Effect cause to, the people that I would strive tirelessly to play the game and get hooked by everything that was great about it. Now I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone, for the simple fact that I don't want to put them through that ending.


I'm sure to you this all seems like some "whiney entitled" rant. But in the end this is a fan who at one point represented guaranteed sales, not just of your product directly, but also many of the associated merchandise and content, on top of additional sales from all of the people I would convince to buy the game and DLCs. Not you no longer have those sales to rely on. 
Make of that what you will. I don't really care.

amazing

[ShadowHawk141]

I don't care less what Bioware does from now on, I found other games that I like....
If Bioware comes up with something worthwhile I'll read about it and see from there on what I'll do with it.

[napushenko]

Noelemahc wrote...


The trick is that the people that have been around since ME1? We're offended that its events were retconned or rendered moot (at best) by the ending.

The people drawn in by ME2? Their LIs have been mistreated for the most part, the cool stuff that ME2 had drawn them in with is mostly absent from ME3.

The newcomers? Why they should be sticking around? The story they get is absurdly depressing FROM THE VERY START, unlike that the imported characters get. It's like an exercise in mental masochism.

 

its you, not WE. 

and how can someone say that there are no consequencs in this game (i bet you are one of those) when at the same time you said that non-imported characters get a different story. logic much ? 

[Mylia Stenetch]

ShadowHawk141 wrote...

I don't care less what Bioware does from now on, I found other games that I like....
If Bioware comes up with something worthwhile I'll read about it and see from there on what I'll do with it.

You mean what you should do with any product when it comes out? Doing homework on it and doing a test run of it before you put you money into it? Bioware does good lore, okay stories and good characters. Asid from that they are a company who takes pride in their job and wants to make money to make more, same as every other company out there. Treat all companies the same.

[The Edge]

Agree with OP.

[Arkitekt]

napushenko wrote...

guess what, almost everywhere else i go on the internet, people adore this game and said that they never experienced this amount of emotional conection with the characters, and almost everywhere there is some guy who tells them they are being stupid because ending sucked.

Yeah but whenever I go in the internet, people hate your guts and whatever you will ever say. So you see they are right because hearsay.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Arkitekt wrote...

Yeah but whenever I go in the internet, people hate your guts and whatever you will ever say. So you see they are right because hearsay.

When I go on the internet everyone hates everything that the other person likes, cause it is crap and they should know that. So they are right cause they say so. 

Then I go on the internet again and everyone loves what the other person use to like but now hates it. That is cause he just is a bandwagoner and should know better and respect what has been done.

The internet is just melodramtic events we make on anything with strawmans, obtuse repsonses, trolling and flamebaiting everywhere. It is what is it.

[Daniel_N7]

Arkitekt wrote...

I also feel the same, i.e., an utter 180 on my "feelings" towards Mass Effect. Due to what it exactly boils down to, I can't really grasp entirely. Perhaps it's the hazy feeling that ME3 produces on me, as if the developers were doing the game despite itself, tired with long hours and filled with a sense of burning out.

ME3 feels like a crescendo of weariness. Shepard is even told by the crew how "tired" he/she seems to be. And then at the end, the end is an utter massive whisper, no matter how "bangy" it shallowly looks. And so by the end of the game, one just feels tired. Weared. No more of this, one thinks. And one won't have any more of it - I played the game after hours of work at the office, and the last thing I need is more weariness in my life - so one just stops playing.

Whenever I think of ME3, my mouth simply closes off and my eyes want to shut down, and just sleep.

They had to end ME3 on another note altogether. A note that said something on the line of "I'd do all of this stuff again in a heartbeat!" (could even be a line of Shepard), and made the player feel "Yeah, I just want to play this awesome experience all over again!!"

Kinda sweetly mirrors the marathon of Bioware since ME inception. They are tired. Weared. And now have to deal with angry fans due to the maneure having crossed the ventilation shaft.

So that's what ME feels to me. Even the blog posts and twitter news of ME so "joyful" and hung go seem so out of tune it doesn't even feel part of the same universe.

Quoting because it basically sums up what I think and feel about all this.

As the OP said, the real tragedy is when we don't care anymore. That will probably be the final stage of the ME3 ending crisis. The moment people start going away. Something the EC may or may not prevent, but certainly BioWare's silence isn't helping.

It's somewhat surprising to see that the people who have disliked and criticized the ending are still being labelled, as we're seeing right here once again.The only good thing about all this, for me, was to get to know many voices from within the ME fan community. So many educated people, with all sorts of professional backgrounds, from all parts of the world, have come forward to provide in depth analysis of the game's ending; others have been vocal about their emotions, expressed how much they valued this series and how the ending destroyed their expectations.

Personally, I've moved beyond the disappointment and the anger. Right now I just feel regret for this whole thing. It feels to me that BioWare just lost touch with its audience. That their "vision" for the Mass Effect series was an intentional and incomprehensible collapse of all the dreams and motivations you built during this three game journey.
It's certainly not about a mandatory happy ending. But it's about "that" feeling right there: "Yeah, I just want to play this awesome experience all over again!!". Something we had in Mass Effect 1 and 2, two games I have played over and over again.

I still hope the EC will make things better. That I may feel motivated to replay the game with my "alternate" Shepards. But I'm afraid the damage may already be done. That it will be impossible to ignore the game's structural problems: intrusive multiplayer in single-player campaign; ME2 characters downsized to irrelevant roles; day-one DLC (profit over ethics); filler material (fetch quests) instead of exploration; etc, etc...
And that, after a while, we will just stop caring and slowly move away.

Mass Effect deserved better.

[OSUfan12121]

I agree. I used to buy every comic, every book, tons of things from the shop but now I don't care. I know that no matter what it shows its still gonna end with R/G/B and everything in the universe will be destroyed by star child. I can't even bring myself to do another playthrough and i have 10 more characters to import.

Modifié par OSUfan12121, 15 mai 2012 - 04:31 .

[Psycho0124]

Arkitekt wrote...

napushenko wrote...

guess what, almost everywhere else i go on the internet, people adore this game and said that they never experienced this amount of emotional conection with the characters, and almost everywhere there is some guy who tells them they are being stupid because ending sucked.

Yeah but whenever I go in the internet, people hate your guts and whatever you will ever say. So you see they are right because hearsay.

Hahaha... Arkitekt nailed it.


That one guy that voices his opinion that the game is sh*t is just being a good samaratan.
Don't you see? He's trying to warn people of the defective product they might otherwise buy!
I like people that try to do good things for others. Don't you?

[TheGreenAlloy]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Somewhat related, I think the second to last panel in this comic illustrates pretty well the emotion.

Brilliant.

[napushenko]

Psycho0124 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

napushenko wrote...

guess what, almost everywhere else i go on the internet, people adore this game and said that they never experienced this amount of emotional conection with the characters, and almost everywhere there is some guy who tells them they are being stupid because ending sucked.

Yeah but whenever I go in the internet, people hate your guts and whatever you will ever say. So you see they are right because hearsay.

Hahaha... Arkitekt nailed it.


That one guy that voices his opinion that the game is sh*t is just being a good samaratan.
Don't you see? He's trying to warn people of the defective product they might otherwise buy!
I like people that try to do good things for others. Don't you?

thing is, i agree with the guy about the ending but dont agree about the game. if  that makes sense. 

[ShadowHawk141]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

ShadowHawk141 wrote...

I don't care less what Bioware does from now on, I found other games that I like....
If Bioware comes up with something worthwhile I'll read about it and see from there on what I'll do with it.

You mean what you should do with any product when it comes out? Doing homework on it and doing a test run of it before you put you money into it? Bioware does good lore, okay stories and good characters. Asid from that they are a company who takes pride in their job and wants to make money to make more, same as every other company out there. Treat all companies the same.

What I mean is that I will never pre-order a Bioware product again, I pre-ordered Me3 based on my experience with Me1 and Me2. And doing my homework regarding Me3 was worthless because they promised a whole lot more then they delivered.
And Bioware being proud of what they accomplished with Me3, maybe they are but I for one can't imagine being proud of an epic story that ended the way it did.

But....

I shelved ME and went on and found other games that do please me.

I don't post here very often but the OP made a point that I agree with.
For the rest, I can't realy be bothered by what happens next to ME or Bioware.
If a good game comes out and users agree it to be good I'll buy it, if it's trash then I'll pass nomatter if its made by Bioware or someone else.

[napushenko]

ShadowHawk141 wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

ShadowHawk141 wrote...

I don't care less what Bioware does from now on, I found other games that I like....
If Bioware comes up with something worthwhile I'll read about it and see from there on what I'll do with it.

You mean what you should do with any product when it comes out? Doing homework on it and doing a test run of it before you put you money into it? Bioware does good lore, okay stories and good characters. Asid from that they are a company who takes pride in their job and wants to make money to make more, same as every other company out there. Treat all companies the same.

What I mean is that I will never pre-order a Bioware product again, I pre-ordered Me3 based on my experience with Me1 and Me2. And doing my homework regarding Me3 was worthless because they promised a whole lot more then they delivered.
And Bioware being proud of what they accomplished with Me3, maybe they are but I for one can't imagine being proud of an epic story that ended the way it did.

But....

I shelved ME and went on and found other games that do please me.

I don't post here very often but the OP made a point that I agree with.
For the rest, I can't realy be bothered by what happens next to ME or Bioware.
If a good game comes out and users agree it to be good I'll buy it, if it's trash then I'll pass nomatter if its made by Bioware or someone else.

I dont think they were proud of ending per se or otherwise they wouldnt be making free dlc just to give us something. they were proud of the whole game and i agree with them.  

[Emzamination]

First off, starwars will always be the big dogg in the sci-fi genre.

Secondly, I didn't stop caring, I'm just waiting for the Ec like a sensible person.

Lastly, I honestly don't expect these types of threads from senior members of Bsn.Have some dignity sir and don't stoop to newbie level.

[GaDun]

napushenko wrote...

guess what, almost everywhere else i go on the internet, people adore this game and said that they never experienced this amount of emotional conection with the characters, and almost everywhere there is some guy who tells them they are being stupid because ending sucked.

Well I guess you never saw metacritic site. The score there is 3.8 out of 10 and that's user score and still u call ppl stupid ...