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GodlessPaladin

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Worst of the Worst:  These weapons compete for weakest weapon in the game despite being ultra rare weapons, adding injury to insult.

The N7 Eagle:  This weapon has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  At a piddly 282 DPS, it clocks in at less than half the damage of a Predator and does less damage to armor to boot.  The Hurricane, by contrast, has 932+ DPS.  On top of that, it is the most inaccurate pistol in the game.  This gun does less damage than the Shuriken (already a terrible gun in ME3), and you can get the Shuriken to X.  The Locust makes this thing's damage look pathetic.  This weapon could literally double in damage without rocking the boat.

The N7 Crusader:  Now I don't actually have this thing, but I never see it used and looking at its statistics it's easy to see why.  This thing weighs a whopping 2.5, and fires single rounds with free penetration... which do considerably less damage per shot than a Paladin and has a lower rate of fire to boot, let alone a Black Widow (which has the same free penetration feature and a scope).  Clocks in at a depressing 471 DPS.  By contrast, the Wraith (already an underwhelming weapon in its own right) has 654-817 DPS.  The Paladin has 885 and the Black Widow has 642 (and of course benefits from the +40% damage bonus on sniper infiltrators).

The Indra:  This is a black card rapid firing sniper rifle that weighs exactly the same as the Raptor (if you have both at the same level, which is unlikely).  The problem?  It has both a slower rate of fire and significantly less damage per bullet than the Raptor, bringing it in at a pitiful 399DPS at level I and 499 at X.  By contrast, a Black Widow has 642 and the Valiant has 660, not to mention their abilities to mow down entire rows of gold enemies per shot.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 15 mai 2012 - 03:52 .


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SweetWilly013

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the eagle

THE EAGLE

BUFF IT BIOWARE!

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I would love to see them buffed. The Crusader has its uses, it just weighs too much.

The Incisor sucks too. So do most of the assault rifles.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 14 mai 2012 - 10:14 .


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SweetWilly013 wrote...

the eagle

THE EAGLE

BUFF IT BIOWARE!



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Disagree with the Wraith being "underwhelming", it does what it's meant to do just fine.

The Eagle is a joke, and the Crusader is such a situational weapon and it's weight is completely unjustified for the amount of damage it does.

I'd also like to see a Viper buff. The damn thing is useless on gold unless you're using rail amps and ammo mods.

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The Crusader isn't a bad weapon. Or rather, it wouldn't be if we could level the damn thing up reliably.

The biggest drawback to the N7 weapons are the fact that none of us have it past rank III unless we exploited a glitch. They aren't really going to be able to compete with our X level gold weapons unless they fundamentally change the way we use the weapon such as the Valiant(Which then gets replaced by the Black Widow), or are overpowered at rank X like the Hurricane would be.

Though the Eagle is bad, and should feel bad.

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Ummm the Crusader does have a couple of things going for it... armour piercing built in for starters, sniper rifle levels of accuracy, decent damage per shot, 4 shots in the chamber... the two big downsides are the weight and recoil on it otherwise it would be a pretty decent shotgun, hell, it might be quite good at level X but it's a promo weapon so that's not gonna happen for a while.

It's lethal on a human soldier with Adrenaline Rush - so long as you don't get lagged, since it's badly affected by lag as well.

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Indra's not bad. Certainly not the best sniper rifle but it's not the worst. I can't speak for the math but I've taken it into Gold and placed second on a soldier. Fire's from the hip ok too.

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Ashen Earth wrote...

Disagree with the Wraith being "underwhelming", it does what it's meant to do just fine.


Yeah, but I'd love a reason to actually use it instead of my Claymore, Geth Plasma Shotty, Graal etc.

It, along with the katana, evisc etc, are in a dire need of buffs.

Modifié par SinerAthin, 14 mai 2012 - 10:18 .


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Ashen Earth wrote...

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I'd also like to see a Viper buff. The damn thing is useless on gold unless you're using rail amps and ammo mods.


It's light enough to carry as a secondary on a Turian Soldier - combined with proxy mine and marksmanship it's actually pretty good.

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grayfoxwins wrote...

Indra's not bad. Certainly not the best sniper rifle but it's not the worst. I can't speak for the math but I've taken it into Gold and placed second on a soldier. Fire's from the hip ok too.


The sniper rifles take a damage nerf when fired from the hip.

Well, all of them except for the Raptor anyway.

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SinerAthin wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Disagree with the Wraith being "underwhelming", it does what it's meant to do just fine.


Yeah, but I'd love a reason to actually use it instead of my Claymore, Geth Plasma Shotty, Graal etc.

It, along with the katana, evisc etc, are in a dire need of buffs.


Well obviously the higher damage weapons are going to be better if you're talking about using them on an Infiltrator.

Vanguards, Engineers, and Soldiers are better off with the Wraith though, because it does a lot of damage, but doesn't really destroy your cooldowns. (Mine is at V, so that's true for me. Idk what level yours is)

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The Crusader's not that bad. It's just too heavy for most peoples' purposes.

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Chealec wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

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I'd also like to see a Viper buff. The damn thing is useless on gold unless you're using rail amps and ammo mods.


It's light enough to carry as a secondary on a Turian Soldier - combined with proxy mine and marksmanship it's actually pretty good.



Honestly though, the Turian Soldier can turn almost any underperforming weapon into a killing machine.

And yeah, it's light enough to use as a secondary, but there are better choices. Personally, I'd like to see the Viper get a damage buff to do more damage than the Carnifex. It makes no sense why a pistol would be better at killing enemies from range than a sniper rifle, while also being much lighter.

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-Reduce the N7 Crusader's weight (big time)

-Increase the N7 Eagle's firepower.

-Increase the M-37 Falcon's rate of fire.

N7 weapons might be better if we had a more reliable means to level them up. Maybe allow us to upgrade them through Spectre/Premium Spectre Packs once we've unlocked them through Commendation Packs?

Modifié par Aryck1095 V2, 14 mai 2012 - 10:28 .


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the eagle definitely needs one, i dont have the crusader so i cant say. and i find the indra useable as is, at level 1 an indra actually clocks in at 125 for weight, the raptor is at 175, the spreadsheet is wrong, check in game, but if they gave the indra a buff, i wouldnt say no

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Ashen Earth wrote...

grayfoxwins wrote...

Indra's not bad. Certainly not the best sniper rifle but it's not the worst. I can't speak for the math but I've taken it into Gold and placed second on a soldier. Fire's from the hip ok too.


The sniper rifles take a damage nerf when fired from the hip.

Well, all of them except for the Raptor anyway.


I know. But not all sniper rifles do. It fires fully automatic and seems to cut down mobs ok.

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What I've never understood is how the eagle, basically a redesigned automatic version of the phalanx, can do so little damage. Where is Bioware's logic in this?

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grayfoxwins wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

grayfoxwins wrote...

Indra's not bad. Certainly not the best sniper rifle but it's not the worst. I can't speak for the math but I've taken it into Gold and placed second on a soldier. Fire's from the hip ok too.


The sniper rifles take a damage nerf when fired from the hip.

Well, all of them except for the Raptor anyway.


I know. But not all sniper rifles do. It fires fully automatic and seems to cut down mobs ok.


I'm pretty sure the Indra doesn't take a damage nerf when fired from the hip, either.

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Cyonan wrote...

The Crusader isn't a bad weapon. Or rather, it wouldn't be if we could level the damn thing up reliably.

The biggest drawback to the N7 weapons are the fact that none of us have it past rank III unless we exploited a glitch. They aren't really going to be able to compete with our X level gold weapons unless they fundamentally change the way we use the weapon such as the Valiant(Which then gets replaced by the Black Widow), or are overpowered at rank X like the Hurricane would be.

Though the Eagle is bad, and should feel bad.


Exactly this.

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The Eagle for sure.

And most shotguns that aren't GPS, Graal, or Claymore.

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Eckswhyzed wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

The Crusader isn't a bad weapon. Or rather, it wouldn't be if we could level the damn thing up reliably.

The biggest drawback to the N7 weapons are the fact that none of us have it past rank III unless we exploited a glitch. They aren't really going to be able to compete with our X level gold weapons unless they fundamentally change the way we use the weapon such as the Valiant(Which then gets replaced by the Black Widow), or are overpowered at rank X like the Hurricane would be.

Though the Eagle is bad, and should feel bad.


Exactly this.


Actually, I'm fine with Gold X weapons being stronger than N7 1-3. We did work rather hard and long to get those Gold weapons to X, so why shouldnt they be better than weapons that only took a few weekends worth of work?

Now, if N7 5+ weapons are still weaker than Gold X, that might be a problem. 

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GodlessPaladin wrote...

The N7 Crusader:  Now I don't actually have this thing, but I never see it used and looking at its statistics it's easy to see why.  This thing weighs a whopping 2.5, and fires single rounds... which do considerably less damage per shot than a Paladin and has a lower rate of fire to boot.  Clocks in at a depressing 471 DPS.  By contrast, the Wraith (already an underwhelming weapon in its own right) has 654-817 DPS.


I think the Crusader should be more like the Kishok. Bypass shield gate or extra headshot damage or both. 

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hell, it might be quite good at level X


Why do people speculate pointlessly about this?  You can look up the stats for the Crusader X.  It still doesn't do nearly as much damage as a Paladin, let alone a Black Widow (which gets the same free penetration advantage, as well as a free scope).

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 mai 2012 - 10:38 .


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Eagle

Indra

Wraith

Crusader doesn't hit hard enough, and/or it's far too heavy.

Viper

Incisor

Raptor

Revenant (outclassed by SMGs, generally, and especially on a turian soldier.)