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#176
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Cundu_Ertur wrote...

The OP's top issues were still addressed, however, there's several weapons that were not (VIPER). As expected, the Eagle buff was not sufficient to make it worthwhile, so it will continue to be the thing that no-one wants, and that an unfortunate few will have to suffer with.

I imagine that we'll continue to see improvements to the Eagle until it's at least decent. I suspect that the same will hold true for the Indra as well.

I'm kind of surprised to see another Hurricane upgrade though. It was pretty nasty even before the last one. Any more and it might become more desirable than the Valiant.

On the upside, I think the Hurricane upgrade means that we can expect to see further improvements to the Eagle and the Indra in the future. And possibly the Crusader as well.

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[quote]1337haxwtg wrote...


The Incisor sucks too.
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I would like to see this buffed a bit, its hard to use on bronze ffs

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OP, I'm guessing Eagle is still at the top of your list, but can you bump up the Viper since the Crusader and Indra both got buffs? Apparently you've got traction with the Buff gods.

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this thread is a prime example yall care more about numbers on a spreadsheet, then actually playing the game....a lot of the compliments yall have about weapons can be countered by the mods the game provides....also, all the weapons are gonna perform differently cause bw is providing variety....why make all the guns perform the same? if that was the case, they could get rid of a lot of the guns, which would make it very boring....

not only that, yall want super weapons....i mean seriously, 1 cat listed the majority of the weapons saying they needed a buff...lol come on...how easy do yall want the game to be?....if bw did buff all those weapons, yall would next complain the game was too easy and bw needs to make it harder....it's a never ending cycle...

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whateverman7 wrote...

this thread is a prime example yall care more about numbers on a spreadsheet, then actually playing the game....a lot of the compliments yall have about weapons can be countered by the mods the game provides....also, all the weapons are gonna perform differently cause bw is providing variety....why make all the guns perform the same? if that was the case, they could get rid of a lot of the guns, which would make it very boring....

not only that, yall want super weapons....i mean seriously, 1 cat listed the majority of the weapons saying they needed a buff...lol come on...how easy do yall want the game to be?....if bw did buff all those weapons, yall would next complain the game was too easy and bw needs to make it harder....it's a never ending cycle...

Sorry, but you have it decidedly inverted. I use the weapons in the game first, then look at the numbers to see why they perform the way they do. Actually, that's not quite accurate. I use the weapons in the game first, then do further testing under controlled conditions, then look up the numbers to see exactly what's going on.

Furthermore, the... I'm going to assume you meant "complaints" and not "compliments"... the complaints people have about weapons most often cannot be eliminated due to mods, because the complaints compare one weapon against another. Anytime you have to use a mod to eliminate a particular gun's weakness, that is one less mod slot available for it to use when comparing it to a superior weapon. So the other weapon gets a new advantage in the form of whatever other mod is chosen. And that assumes that there's an appropriate mod in the first place - you cannot, for example, increase the thermal clip size of shotguns or sniper rifles via mods.

Nor are people asking for the guns to perform the same. What people are asking for is that all guns have comparable levels of usefulness. This increases variety, because as it is now, there are certain guns that are far more popular than others (try finding a public Gold match where nobody has a Carnifex equipped; conversely, try to find a public Gold match where somebody else has a Shuriken or an Eagle equipped) because they are so much more powerful.

And I most definitely do not want there to be "super weapons." I didn't start this thread, but I'm pretty sure that that's the whole point of it - there are, right this moment, a number of "super weapons" that make the game easier than their counterparts. These guns should not be dominating the game. Players should not be punished for wanting to choose a different weapon, particularly a weapon of a different style.

So there are two solutions - either the other guns are upgraded, or the "super weapons" downgraded. Personally, I'd prefer the latter option, but given how much popular resistance there would be to it, I'm not opposed to the former option. Even if it does require BioWare to increase the difficulty of the game (which, honestly, they would probably have had to do anyway, regardless of weapon balance, as people became more and more familiar with the game).

#181
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What CHaw said. When I'm asking for Viper to get a 10% damage boost, it will still have decided disadvantages compared to other snipers. It will also have its current advantages. It needs to be better balanced. Right now a every pistol except the Eagle is better than the Viper in terms of damage, and they also equal or exceed all of its advantage (except for being pistols instead of snipers for the level 6 sniper damage buff for infiltrators). A slight buff can mitigate that. I am never going to get a damned Valiant, this much is clear; at least give me a slight buff to the next closest thing so I'm not completely left behind by the 70% of people who have already gotten one. Also, sticking with the Viper theme, it's a situation where the second best sniper in ME2 was reduced to something damn near unusable. Oh, I know, slap a rail on it. And what keeps someone from slapping a rail on something more powerful? +30% of x is a lot less than +30% of y when y is three times as big as x.

God I'm so pissed. This is the STUPIDEST way to run an MP.

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Hell, 80% of the assault rifles could receive a 30% damage boost, and STILL be inferior to the Phalanx and Carnifex.
I think the main problem is that the pistols are absurdly overpowered for how little they weigh.

Why on earth would you want to take a less accurate, less damaging weapon, that also weights 3 times as much, when you could take pistol instead?

Modifié par Richter Harken, 17 mai 2012 - 03:14 .