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Wotannanow wrote...

One player in the hackzone is all that's needed, and it's by far the best strategy for survival on gold when you only have one player -- preferrably an infiltrator who can cloak in the hackzone, and have the rest in a good defendible posion, drawing all the attention away from the player holding the objective.


Obvious noob is obvious.

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If it is wave 10 and you are getting totally swarmed, well, use a missile. As said, I prefer to use them as a life-save button in case one of my teammates is going to be instakilled.

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It would behoove you then to just damage everything severely only taking out stuff that is an immenent threat until the objective is complete.

Then just mop up all the 1hp left critters.

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No it isn't, that's what they're there for.  They're never used anyway and I have a stockpile of almost 200 of everything.  Use your damn missiles if you have them.  It isn't failing at all.....


Neither is not having 4 people in the hackzone at all times. I'd rather it took a mere extra 20 seconds than have to waste missiles when it could just be avoided.


Don't be jewish with your missiles.  You are not a unique snowflake, use them as they are easy to get in abundance from Spectre packs.

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kinglewy00 wrote...



No it isn't, that's what they're there for.  They're never used anyway and I have a stockpile of almost 200 of everything.  Use your damn missiles if you have them.  It isn't failing at all.....


Neither is not having 4 people in the hackzone at all times. I'd rather it took a mere extra 20 seconds than have to waste missiles when it could just be avoided.


Jumbo Equipment packs costs 33k.  You can earn enough in a Gold match to buy two JEPs and gain up to 14 more missiles.  You're welcome for the life lesson in being less cheap.

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Getting swarmed with 4 people in the hack circle is clear sign of lacking DPS. Asari snipers in the team perhaps?

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mrcanada wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...



No it isn't, that's what they're there for.  They're never used anyway and I have a stockpile of almost 200 of everything.  Use your damn missiles if you have them.  It isn't failing at all.....


Neither is not having 4 people in the hackzone at all times. I'd rather it took a mere extra 20 seconds than have to waste missiles when it could just be avoided.


Don't be jewish with your missiles.  You are not a unique snowflake, use them as they are easy to get in abundance from Spectre packs.


For the sake of saving an extra 20 seconds? Why? Really, why? Having one man could prove to be the safer tactic anyway.

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decoy all day so the enemy doesnt target the people in the zone, problem solved. i do this all the time and i make sure my decoy stays up.

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reddragon3999 wrote...

decoy all day so the enemy doesnt target the people in the zone, problem solved. i do this all the time and i make sure my decoy stays up.


Assuming you have an engineer. They also nerfed the crap out of decoy.

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adrenaline1983 wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...



No it isn't, that's what they're there for.  They're never used anyway and I have a stockpile of almost 200 of everything.  Use your damn missiles if you have them.  It isn't failing at all.....


Neither is not having 4 people in the hackzone at all times. I'd rather it took a mere extra 20 seconds than have to waste missiles when it could just be avoided.


Jumbo Equipment packs costs 33k.  You can earn enough in a Gold match to buy two JEPs and gain up to 14 more missiles.  You're welcome for the life lesson in being less cheap.


Give me one good reason why I should spend that on equipment packs instead of specter packs please. Thanks.
If there's a way of saving missiles, please tell me how exactly it's in any way a bad idea to do so?
Are you saying players who implore more liberal tactics rather than waste consumables should be scrutenized? Really?

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kinglewy00 wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...



No it isn't, that's what they're there for.  They're never used anyway and I have a stockpile of almost 200 of everything.  Use your damn missiles if you have them.  It isn't failing at all.....


Neither is not having 4 people in the hackzone at all times. I'd rather it took a mere extra 20 seconds than have to waste missiles when it could just be avoided.


Don't be jewish with your missiles.  You are not a unique snowflake, use them as they are easy to get in abundance from Spectre packs.


For the sake of saving an extra 20 seconds? Why? Really, why? Having one man could prove to be the safer tactic anyway.


How is having one man in the hack zone safer than using a missile?  Please tell me.........

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kinglewy00 wrote...

adrenaline1983 wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...



No it isn't, that's what they're there for.  They're never used anyway and I have a stockpile of almost 200 of everything.  Use your damn missiles if you have them.  It isn't failing at all.....


Neither is not having 4 people in the hackzone at all times. I'd rather it took a mere extra 20 seconds than have to waste missiles when it could just be avoided.


Jumbo Equipment packs costs 33k.  You can earn enough in a Gold match to buy two JEPs and gain up to 14 more missiles.  You're welcome for the life lesson in being less cheap.


Give me one good reason why I should spend that on equipment packs instead of specter packs please. Thanks.
If there's a way of saving missiles, please tell me how exactly it's in any way a bad idea to do so?
Are you saying players who implore more liberal tactics rather than waste consumables should be scrutenized? Really?


I've bought two jumbo packs in the entirety of playing MP and have never been close to running out of missiles.  JEP's are pretty much a waste of time.

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mrcanada wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...



No it isn't, that's what they're there for.  They're never used anyway and I have a stockpile of almost 200 of everything.  Use your damn missiles if you have them.  It isn't failing at all.....


Neither is not having 4 people in the hackzone at all times. I'd rather it took a mere extra 20 seconds than have to waste missiles when it could just be avoided.


Don't be jewish with your missiles.  You are not a unique snowflake, use them as they are easy to get in abundance from Spectre packs.


For the sake of saving an extra 20 seconds? Why? Really, why? Having one man could prove to be the safer tactic anyway.


How is having one man in the hack zone safer than using a missile?  Please tell me.........


I said one man OUTSIDE the hackzone. Not one man inside of it.
Seriously, can anyone on here even read?

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kinglewy00 wrote...

modok8 wrote...

The best players I've played with on gold all get to the zone and stay there. If it is overrun use a missile. And I don't have any trouble sniping w/ an infiltrator when I'm in the zone: quick-scope.


Like I said, a strategy that relies on the use of consumables, is a bad strategy.
And if you're having an easy time sniping, then you've either got lucky on the hack location or the rest of your team are the ones keeping the situation under ontrol.
It doesn't matter how good anyone is at using a sniper rifle. You ARE losing dps being forced to play in a tough, swarmed spot with missiles or ravagers blasting at you.


Use of consumables is only a bad strategy if you don't have the consumables. Otherwise, what are you saving them for, Christmas? Granted, you want to hoard those medigels and survival packs, but if you have to clear an objective area with two or more minibosses? Pop a cobra.

Also, yeah, you're losing dps. Deal with it. When you're in a hack objective, dps shouldn't be your goal, because those enemies are going to continue respawning until the hack is complete ... something I'm sure you know well already. :)

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PhoenixBlue wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

modok8 wrote...

The best players I've played with on gold all get to the zone and stay there. If it is overrun use a missile. And I don't have any trouble sniping w/ an infiltrator when I'm in the zone: quick-scope.


Like I said, a strategy that relies on the use of consumables, is a bad strategy.
And if you're having an easy time sniping, then you've either got lucky on the hack location or the rest of your team are the ones keeping the situation under ontrol.
It doesn't matter how good anyone is at using a sniper rifle. You ARE losing dps being forced to play in a tough, swarmed spot with missiles or ravagers blasting at you.


Use of consumables is only a bad strategy if you don't have the consumables. Otherwise, what are you saving them for, Christmas? Granted, you want to hoard those medigels and survival packs, but if you have to clear an objective area with two or more minibosses? Pop a cobra.

Also, yeah, you're losing dps. Deal with it. When you're in a hack objective, dps shouldn't be your goal, because those enemies are going to continue respawning until the hack is complete ... something I'm sure you know well already. :)


A better question would be what are you wasting them for, not what are you saving them for.
They should be used in situations that could save a wipe, not just for the sake of saving 20 seconds.

Modifié par kinglewy00, 15 mai 2012 - 06:29 .


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Taritu wrote...

My issue is when no one else seems willing to use rockets against Reapers. For God's sake, if there's 2 Banshees and a brute in the area, nuke them!

Grrrrr! (just had this happen.)

On an objective wave, I agree. Otherwise, I dunno ... I've seen teams pull off survival against two banshees at fairly close range without using missles. And that's important, because on gold, you won't have enough missiles to go around every time you have two banshees in close proximity.

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kinglewy00 wrote...

A better question would be what are you wasting them for, not what are you saving them for.
They should be used in situations that could save a wipe, not just for the sake of saving 20 seconds.


Well, see, there's the thing. I view two or more banshees already in an objective zone as a wipe waiting to happen. Better to kill them then and there and force them to respawn somewhere hopefully far, far away.

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PhoenixBlue wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

A better question would be what are you wasting them for, not what are you saving them for.
They should be used in situations that could save a wipe, not just for the sake of saving 20 seconds.


Well, see, there's the thing. I view two or more banshees already in an objective zone as a wipe waiting to happen. Better to kill them then and there and force them to respawn somewhere hopefully far, far away.


Sadly, we all know they will respawn on top of the charred remnants of their dead colleagues.

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Reapers, Gold, Reactor, Wave 10 hack. Spread out during the spawn. All 4 rush back to the hack. Use a missile or two if overwhelmed. Biggies spawn far away when killed with the missile. Hack is done ASAP and the enemy stops respawning. And what that cost the team a few missiles (1 per person maybe)? I ain't gonna cry about that.

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OP has the point on silver and bronze, but on gold it is better to stand together and combine each other powers. Works for me.

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Good post. Tactics will vary depending on the classes on the team... & obviously each team member's awareness. I've been on missions w/ players scoring better than me but forget to use the missile when we're about to be overwhelmed. I've already used up mine & a round clipping through doesn't help, haha, but let's face it- in these hairy situations do the objective & get through the round.

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JCD89 wrote...

OP has the point on silver and bronze, but on gold it is better to stand together and combine each other powers. Works for me.


No, it's really the other way around though I find :<
It just doesn't seem needed on anything below gold.

Modifié par kinglewy00, 15 mai 2012 - 07:03 .


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The fact is until the hack is complete the mobs will respawn. so thinning out the herd is useless unless you a point hound. All in initially. If a player can drag two banshees away then leave with your two lady friends. The brutes are easy picking without the banshees. As for vanguards, unless you're good at nova canceling and can occupy a group of mobs without either of you during then fine leave hack. But if team has AA or AJ the warp/reave followed by charge has good AOE properties.

Infiltrators be in or near hack at all times. Sweep out to flank but always be ready to revive. Make sure you havent ignored your other powers for rifle damage only. Proxy mines, Ed, sabatoge, and cyro

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With 4 people hacking you get more experience, more money and faster hacking. The answer is obvious.

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kinglewy00 wrote...

JCD89 wrote...

OP has the point on silver and bronze, but on gold it is better to stand together and combine each other powers. Works for me.


No, it's really the other way around though I find :<
It just doesn't seem needed on anything below gold.


Are you talking fbwgg or uu gold?  From my experience fbw types  are not really prepared for a gold hack and single infiltrator may be best but on uugold players have skill and do tremendous amount of damage when they are working as one. Most people I play with feel shame being outside of hack. That chaos and hf moment is why we play this game.