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[Lilmoon]

Hi all,

need some help:

I have a laptop: HP pavillion dv4 with
3GB ram
core duo processor (I think 2.26ghz)
NVIDIA GEFORCE 9200M GS with 256 Mb

any chance this game will work on my laptop, maybe at low res?

On minimal requirements it says I need at least a GEFORCE 6600, but that one is for standard-case PC, not for laptop, so I cant make a comparison.
I usually download a demo and try that one before buying, but this time no demo no party ;(
please help!
tnx

[Tosheroon]

Simply put, no you will not, unfortunately. That integrated GPU is only really meant for business situations such as presentations, or maybe watching movies. Sorry about that.

[Lilmoon]

thank you. but are you sure that one is an integrated GPU?

I managed to play nwn2 and oblivion for example... I think oblivion is quite heavy, isnt it?

[Gorath Alpha]

Lilmoon wrote...

thank you. but are you sure that one is an integrated GPU?
I managed to play nwn2 and oblivion for example... I think oblivion is quite heavy, isnt it?

Your definition of the word "Play" is a joke.  Oblivion would just laugh at that horrible POS, without all kinds of tweaks and special performance mods  to more or less CRAWL along.  Same for NWN2. 

If you had a decent onboard, such as ATI makes, your CRAWL would be more of a "mosey along", of course.

Meanwhile, if you enjoy terrible game play, herky-jerky animation, awful quality images, why go ahead.  The game will tell you you'll not like what you get, but it won't refuse to show you the results of such folly. 

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 10 décembre 2009 - 08:00 .

[OneBadAssMother]

Dragon Age can run on very old systems, the engine is surprisingly quite good for that.



My system is an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ 2.0 ghz single core, 1.5 gb RAM, and 256 mb ATI x1950 pro. However, I do have slowdowns due to my single core. However - DA:O does run better then NWN2 surprisingly.



I'm not so sure about laptop architecture compared to a desktop, but you should try it out in my opinion. Just don't expect crazy smooth frame rates during large battles.

[Tosheroon]

As always, performance that is acceptable for one person will not be for another. As I said, that chipset is not designed for gaming but more for watching HD movies. You may be able to game on low settings with 1024x768 resolution, but don't quote me on that even.



And an ATI x1950 Pro is way beyond the 9200M GS in sheer brute force power, it was a beast in its heyday. No comparison.



Of course it is up to you at the end of the day, but you did ask, and we did answer. Good luck.

[Vespillo Infensus]

Lilmoon wrote...

thank you. but are you sure that one is an integrated GPU?
I managed to play nwn2 and oblivion for example... I think oblivion is quite heavy, isnt it?

Every laptop graphics card is an integrated chip on the mainboard, but yours is an Nvidia and has 256MB dedicated memory so that is a good thing. The game will run but keep in mind that this is a very cpu intensive game. Portables are poorly cooled and your CPU is likely to throttle( run at a lower speed to prevent overheating). That action will make the game unplayable. So don't hope to play sessions of several hours in a row without performance hits. If you have a 5400rpm hard disk you will have a serious bottleneck if the game starts addressing your page file.

The usual portable drawbacks apply.

[OneBadAssMother]

Yeah perhaps my video card is the saving grace of my rig. Running at 1600 res with medium textures/setting with frame buffer effects (since they seem to be GPU related not CPU). Personally I can't see myself playing the game at low settings without frame buffer effects (absolutely no environmental lighting, horrible textures, etc). I would have upgraded if that was the case.

But its up the OP I guess. Personally though, I wonder if his/her video card is that bad, how could he/she possibly play NWN2 or Oblivion.

Also I've noticed the OP's CPU is dual core and faster then 2.0 ghz each. With my CPU at single core at 2.0 ghz and rather surprisingly reasonable framerates (for me reasonable is ~20, going to 10 FPS during large battles is acceptable - but thats personal preference). I doubt the OP's CPU is a problem.

Overheating however, yeah I have no idea how some laptops can even run it! Had to put a fan right next to an open box during this summer at times, and its not even overclocked.

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 10 décembre 2009 - 01:17 .

[Gorath Alpha]

When you are this badly informed, you should not be spreading such bad misinformation as this is:

Vespillo Infensus wrote...

Every laptop graphics card is an integrated chip on the mainboard, but yours is an Nvidia and has 256MB dedicated memory so that is a good thing. The game will run but keep in mind that this is a very cpu intensive game. Portables are poorly cooled and your CPU is likely to throttle( run at a lower speed to prevent overheating). That action will make the game unplayable. So don't hope to play sessions of several hours in a row without performance hits. If you have a 5400rpm hard disk you will have a serious bottleneck if the game starts addressing your page file.

The usual portable drawbacks apply.

While most laptops are designed to be welded into a solid monobloc unit when completed, that doesn't mean that a real, discrete video card didn't exist at the start of the assembly procedure.  Real video cards are entirely separate from the motherboard, and are only joined to it and to the chassis in the final steps of assembly. 

This is an entirely different case than for integrated graphics, which are in fact soldered onto the mainboard in an early stage of production.  Most frequently, the ASIC containing the video chip is one of a pair that make up the "chipset".   Only ATI offers any chipsets (that I am aware of) with an option to reserve dedicated memory just as if it was a real video card, rather than having to SHARE RAM from the main memory pool, although TTBOMK, no producers have followed up on that option to date. 

nVIDIA's onboard video chips do not offer any option I am aware of to dedicate RAM and not have to share it.  That will include the current iteration of IGPs they include in their chipsets. 

Because the design is intended to remain solid, there is almost never any option to reopen a laptop, whether or not it was produced with a real video card.  This means there is no upgrade option.  Some high-dollar laptops do feature video upgradeability, and so do some medium price laptops, including most Sager, and at the last word I had on the subject, many Dell units (that already have video cards, not including any with IGPs).

These corrections, of course, are truly beside the point for the OP.  Ordinary laptops cannot play high intensity 3D games well, if even at all, mostly because of their very bad video systems.  A proper laptop to play games with will cost substantially more than the average unit, and will come with an actual video card installed.

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 10 décembre 2009 - 08:06 .

[JironGhrad]

Actually G, most current laptops from Dell aren't upgradable any more. They have several options for GPU but it's stil attached to the board in about 95% of the models. High-end XPS and Alienware units are where it's at if you want upgradable GPUs from Dell.

[Gorath Alpha]

JironGhrad wrote...

Actually G, most current laptops from Dell aren't upgradable any more. They have several options for GPU but it's stil attached to the board in about 95% of the models. High-end XPS and Alienware units are where it's at if you want upgradable GPUs from Dell.

AFAIK, rather few of the Dell models that you or I would have considered to be intended to be upgraded (so solidly welded together) really were any easier to "unweld" at the factory, but Dell was actually replacing both the mainboard and video card at the same time, and not cheaply, at all.  They may have become more selective about how many of that type upgrade that they were willing to perform, however. 

"G"

[Lilmoon]

tnx everybody for the help.



IS THERE ANYBODY WHO IS RUNNING DAO ON A LAPTOP???



I am still not clear whether a GEFORCE 9200M GS is better or worse than the GEFORCE 6600... and too bad nvidia doesnt help with it...

[Gorath Alpha]

Just compare a Geforce 6600 GT with a Geforce 8400 GS, and subtract an extra 20% from what the poor 8400 is able to when it has its own RAM.

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

And be aware that the 6600 GT really isn't good enough, from a practical standpoint!

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 10 décembre 2009 - 07:23 .

[StrikeSaber47]

You can but you will need to lower your resolution to low and everything on low. nVidia's IGP isn't enough to take down the worst of nVidia's dedicated (9200 < 8400). Pure IGP is always going to be worse than the lowest end of dedicated cards.

PS: The 9200M GS ISN'T an IGP, but a dedicated. It is a lower clocked 9300M GS, which replaced the 8400M GS. The 9300M GS isn't as great as the 8400M GS, especially when the 8400M GS is overclocked and you are working with half the pixel pipelines of the 8400M GS. So assuming you want to overclock your 9200M GS to a 9300M GS and such, you will be still able to play the game but mostly around 800x600 with MAXIMUM settings of Med Graphics/Textures with possibly Frame Buffer Effects on with Disabled Target Rendering and V-Sync off.

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 10 décembre 2009 - 08:01 .

[StrikeSaber47]

Forums doubled posted for me. Bah.

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 10 décembre 2009 - 08:02 .

[Thrasher91604]

It's runs fantastically on my laptop, with all graphics options maxed, except AA at only 2x, which is just fine at this high of a resolution and small sized screen. This is at 1920x2000 resolution mind you. Slowdowns are few and far between. No overheating/freezing since I had Dell replace the nvidia GPU board with an ATI board.

So yes you can play this game on a laptop, with spectacular results I might add.

Modifié par Thrasher91604, 10 décembre 2009 - 09:56 .

[bambooxfox]

I'm playing DA:O on a Dell Latitude E6400.
4.00 GB, 2 duo CPU, 2.40 GHz, 32-bit
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 160M with 256MB dedicated video memory

I'm told my laptop is more for business work than gaming, but I can run DA:O at 800x600 res, med graphics detail with med textures full-screen comfortably... for about 60-90 minutes. Cooling is an issue; I'm already using a laptop cooler but the game only runs for about that long before the lagging gets unbearable. So yeah, no massive gaming sessions here. I am ridiculously easy to please, however, so if 800x600 is a no-no for you, my sympathies.

[michaelius_pl]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Just compare a Geforce 6600 GT with a Geforce 8400 GS, and subtract an extra 20% from what the poor 8400 is able to when it has its own RAM.

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

And be aware that the 6600 GT really isn't good enough, from a practical standpoint!

Gorath
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From the specification point of view it seems to be slower than 6600gt but it still should be able to run in some sadistically low resolution.

Anyway can't you go to some friend and check with his copy of DA if it runs acceptably ? If it does you can then buy your own to play it at home

[Badesumofu]

I'm playing on a laptop. 2.2ghz Core 2 Duo, 2 Gigs of RAM, and an 8600M GT with 256MB of video memory. I can use medium settings in some areas, put it down to low for others. This is in 1440x900.



Sadly for you, the 9200GS is a horrible, horrible card. Vastly inferior to the 8600. A mate of mine has a laptop with faster CPU, twice as much RAM, but he has the 9200, and it's nowhere near as good for games as my system.



Personally, I think you shouldn't bother. It'll be more frustrating than anything else.

[JironGhrad]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

JironGhrad wrote...

Actually G, most current laptops from Dell aren't upgradable any more. They have several options for GPU but it's stil attached to the board in about 95% of the models. High-end XPS and Alienware units are where it's at if you want upgradable GPUs from Dell.

AFAIK, rather few of the Dell models that you or I would have considered to be intended to be upgraded (so solidly welded together) really were any easier to "unweld" at the factory, but Dell was actually replacing both the mainboard and video card at the same time, and not cheaply, at all.  They may have become more selective about how many of that type upgrade that they were willing to perform, however. 

"G"

Heh, I actually know quite alot about it as I was a Dell Field Service Tech until I quit to stay home with my kids.  I can say with absolute certainty that only their high-ends have the video card as a separate component any more.  I have a couple of junked Inspiron laptops from 2001-2002 with stand-alone GPU cards but they haven't done the stand-alone for any but their highest end models since 2005.

[Deemz]

I actually played the complete game on my junk laptop, a Dell Inspiron 1540 with an Intel 4500 HD integrated graphics chipset. The laptop has a Celeron processor and 4gb of ram. Now granted it is nothing like playing on my desktop with an Nvidia 9800 in it but, the game was completely playable.

Modifié par Deemz, 11 décembre 2009 - 01:20 .