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[Pollayil]

Makrys wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

and they are coincidently both indoctrinated... 

Indeed. Not complicated.

then can you people explain how the illusive man and saren has those eyes loooooooong before  they were indoctrinated?

[Jadebaby]

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

POLLAYIL LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SHEPARD DEALS WITH THE OBJECT RHO ARTIFACT. BY THE BOOKS DESCRIPTION THEY SOUND LIKE VERY SIMILIAR ARTIFACTS.. IF THIS IS THE CASE WHY AREN'T SHEPARD'S EYES BLUE?
ALSO (IIRC), SAREN NEVER ACTUALLY TOUCHED THE ARTIFACT, IT WAS HIS BROTHER DESOLUS. WHO, IN TURN HE KILLED AND BURIED THE TEMPLE WITH THE ARTIFACT.

[bonerfest]

Pollayil wrote...
The illusive man has those eyes ever since the first contact war, surely the reapers could not
Have indoctrinated him back then.

A dericlict reaper that was perhaps hundreds of thousands of years dead is capable of indoctrination.  Object Rho, which had been sitting on an asteroid for who knows how long was too.  Anyone could be indoctrinated during this cycle at any time by a reaper device. 

[Pollayil]

bonerfest wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

It's not a part of the game.  If we go into the books and comics then we've got people eating other people's cereal, stabbbing people with toothbrush-shivs... let's just not go there. 

but the comics are official canon and happened waay back, i really thought i stumbled onto something here 

[Unholyknight800]

Sure I would love to see a part 2. The theory is a good interpretation of game events and while I disagree with it I nonetheless like seeing the enthusiasm of it's believers.

[Drake-Shepard]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

POLLAYIL LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SHEPARD DEALS WITH THE OBJECT RHO ARTIFACT. BY THE BOOKS DESCRIPTION THEY SOUND LIKE VERY SIMILIAR ARTIFACTS.. IF THIS IS THE CASE WHY AREN'T SHEPARD'S EYES BLUE?
ALSO (IIRC), SAREN NEVER ACTUALLY TOUCHED THE ARTIFACT, IT WAS HIS BROTHER DESOLUS. WHO, IN TURN HE KILLED AND BURIED THE TEMPLE WITH THE ARTIFACT.

Haaaaaahehehehaha

anyway yh...saren did not touch it..anyone who did turned into a turian husk thing. probably a marauder

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 15 mai 2012 - 06:14 .

[Jadebaby]

Pollayil wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

and they are coincidently both indoctrinated... 

Indeed. Not complicated.

then can you people explain how the illusive man and saren has those eyes loooooooong before  they were indoctrinated?

Thats the thing, they weren't. Their eyes changing like that was a visible sign that the Reaper Nanobites have affected their genetic makeup. The reason they didn't discover they were indoctrinated until the final moments of their lives is because it was a slow-paced indoctrination, used to puppet them as "sleeper agents."

[Darth_Trethon]

Makrys wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

and they are coincidently both indoctrinated... 

Indeed. Not complicated.

BioWare clearly 100% clarifies the issue in an article they included in the CE of the strategy guide called "It's In the Eyes"....the glowing eyes absolutely beyond doubt indicate the person IS indoctrinated. Not all indoctrinated thralls get the glowy eyes but that is NOT the point here because what we do KNOW to be a fact is that if the eyes are glowing the subject deffinitely IS indoctrinated.

[SirCroft]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

and they are coincidently both indoctrinated... 

Indeed. Not complicated.

then can you people explain how the illusive man and saren has those eyes loooooooong before  they were indoctrinated?

Thats the thing, they weren't. Their eyes changing like that was a visible sign that the Reaper Nanobites have affected their genetic makeup. The reason they didn't discover they were indoctrinated until the final moments of their lives is because it was a slow-paced indoctrination, used to puppet them as "sleeper agents."

Plausible, the codex entry on Indoctrination states that a slow indoctrination process keeps the "puppet" alive and functional for much longer, even years.

[Drake-Shepard]

TIM was probably infected by the reaper nanites. over time getting worse. But he was too far away from reapers before so could resist. when he gets the collector base or when the reapers come back..thats when he goes all out indoctrinated.

It's a shame they didn't explain in better

[Pollayil]

Looks like I have a lot to learn......

[Bill Casey]

We need to compile a list of things left out...
Here's a start...

- The hole in hte middle of the walkway you walk over
- The Keeper in your way you walk through
- Anderson's right arm
- The Catalyst having the same script name as vent boy
- The fact that Bioware has pulled similar tricks before with Elder Brain in NWN2 and in DA:O
- The child laughing near the Normandy's memorial
- The hidden audio on the Eden Planet in the non destroy endings
- Shepard is standing on a giant dialogue wheel, and all of the choices are activated metaphorically
- The trees and plants which are added to the scene after the blast (more are added where they weren't before)
- The file name ReaperIndoc_blur
-Two of the options are known Reaper Doctrine. Indoctrination is about changing beliefs through physical and psychological conditioning. In the case of The Illusive Man and the Prothean Separatists, they were made to believe they could control the reapers. In the case of Saren Arterius, he was made to believe the union of flesh and steel was the future of evolution, and that we needed to work with the reapers.
- The background audio files from the dream sequence, particularly the reaper and child laughs
- The child saying "Please come home"
- The forcible combination of organic and synthetic life is what we've been fighting for three games now. Remember the Prothean Beacon? www.youtube.com/watch

[Drake-Shepard]

Bill Casey wrote...

We need to compile a list of things left out...
Here's a start...

- The hole in hte middle of the walkway you walk over
- The Keeper in your way you walk through
- Anderson's right arm
- The Catalyst having the same script name as vent boy
- The fact that Bioware has pulled similar tricks before with Elder Brain in NWN2 and in DA:O
- The child laughing near the Normandy's memorial
- The hidden audio on the Eden Planet in the non destroy endings
- Shepard is standing on a giant dialogue wheel, and all of the choices are activated metaphorically
- The trees and plants which are added to the scene after the blast (more are added where they weren't before)
- The file name ReaperIndoc_blur
-Two of the options are known Reaper Doctrine. Indoctrination is about changing beliefs through physical and psychological conditioning. In the case of The Illusive Man and the Prothean Separatists, they were made to believe they could control the reapers. In the case of Saren Arterius, he was made to believe the union of flesh and steel was the future of evolution, and that we needed to work with the reapers.
- The background audio files from the dream sequence, particularly the reaper and child laughs
- The child saying "Please come home"
- The forcible combination of organic and synthetic life is what we've been fighting for three games now. Remember the Prothean Beacon? www.youtube.com/watch

ooo....i never thought to take into account the prothean beacon vision. Metal and flesh melding....to build reapers? But then again....the other part of the vision shows the galaxy and a black hole/sun ..dark energy theory? and they retconned that out

[Jadebaby]

SirCroft wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Pollayil wrote...

OP LISTEN TO MY PLEA, SAREN AND THE ILLUSIVE MAN DO NOT HAVE BLUE EYES BECAUSE THEY SUFFERED INDOCTRINATION, THEY DEALT WITH AN ARTIFACT DURING THE FIRST CONTACT WAR THAT WAS DETAILED IN THE MASS EFFECT EVOLUTION COMICS.

and they are coincidently both indoctrinated... 

Indeed. Not complicated.

then can you people explain how the illusive man and saren has those eyes loooooooong before  they were indoctrinated?

Thats the thing, they weren't. Their eyes changing like that was a visible sign that the Reaper Nanobites have affected their genetic makeup. The reason they didn't discover they were indoctrinated until the final moments of their lives is because it was a slow-paced indoctrination, used to puppet them as "sleeper agents."

Plausible, the codex entry on Indoctrination states that a slow indoctrination process keeps the "puppet" alive and functional for much longer, even years.

Yup, TIM was indoctrinated for 29 years IIRC.

[Theodoro]

I'd love a second part of the documentary. The first one was extremely well-done, and to see it expanded would be awesome.

[delphonic]

You did a great job with the first video so I would be interested in watching a part 2 or a modified version of the first one.

[Bill Casey]

Synthesis!



It's a theme!
I think it's right up there with "Reapers manipulating people"...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 mai 2012 - 06:50 .

[balance5050]

Ownaholic...

Remember I mentioned those tree reflections in the catalyst chamber? Those are the same type of trees you see when you first see the kid playing on the rooftop.

Modifié par balance5050, 15 mai 2012 - 06:54 .

[EliteFire]

Part 2 would be great. More support for the theory is always good. Just say this is part 2 of the whole document and post a link in the video so people who haven't seen the first part know that there is alot more proof for theory. There will come up more evidence for the indoctrination theory but it might not be relevant when EC comes out. I still don't know what shepard is breathing between the citadel and the crucible because there is no air between them!(?)
But if you'll make part 2 I will like it:)

[IronSabbath88]

I'd like to see you touch more on your squadmates leaving. I mean let's think about this.. Garrus for one isn't going to abandon his people OR Shepard, the loyalty there is far too strong. Javik wouldn't leave the fight with the enemy that destroyed his people, Tali wouldn't abandon her people especially after taking back their homeworld, Liara would definitely not leave Shepard behind, and I think the most important three are James, Ashley and Kaidan.

Earth is their home, especially James of all people who didn't want to leave Earth in the first place wouldn't just up and leave before the Reapers are defeated. It goes against everything BioWare taught us about the characters. None of the squadmates would just abandon Shepard, and after what Joker said to Shepard about not wanting to have to lose him/her again during the game, I highly doubt Joker would just take off too.

It may seem like it's not really "evidence", and it isn't really, but it's a point that lends itself a lot to the theory. His squadmates would continue the fight, they have a lot riding on this too.

[Ultra Prism]

just say indoc theory documentary V2.0 ... voila you cut some of the details that are points such as trees in conduit place

[Bill Casey]

A minute or so of exposition would tell people it's part two of a documentary, and encourage people to seek out the first part, where you feel several of the strongest arguments are made...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 mai 2012 - 06:52 .

[RavenEyry]

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis!

It's a theme!
I think it's right up there with "Reapers manipulating people"...

It's a theme that's portrayed as bad every. Single. Time.

[Bill Casey]

Except Shepard...
He's a day-walker...

[Bill Casey]

Wish there was a picture of the Zha'Til I could add in there...