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[Dont Kaidan Me]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
He lost his eyes due to the Reaper device, but his replacement eyes were actually from the Turians iirc. The eyes being Reaper tech is just a fan assumption-confusion.

*exhale* THANK you.

[Pride Demon]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Yes, her eyes have the same pattern. You must remember though that she was created using Reaper tech.

Uh? EDI was, the body wasn't, otherwise EDI would have mentioned it after taking control of it...

[Demonburnt]

Anyone consider they just rehashed old assets?

[Krushiev01]

Well...

I can admit when I'm wrong (about the cog eyes) , and add the proof myself.  I played the Priority: Cerberus Base last night and got several nice "high rez" (Sorry for the /facepalm, OP... It was unwarranted, and you were dead on) screenshots.  Let's see if I can figure out how to post  one...

www.dropbox.com/s/b2bf15g6cabqdvg/MassEffect3%202012-05-15%2021-06-18-83.jpg

My thoughts?

EDI was the original Luna base VI that went psycho in Mass Effect 1 and picked up by Cerberus.  Her programming is partially based on Reaper tech, but the core of her programming is on the Normandy.  As for her mobile platform (EVA's body) in ME 3, that was definitely based on Reaper tech, but EDI only controls the body remotely (something about needing the body within tightband communications range of the Normandy... Or something like that anyhow).

While both EDI's programming and remote platform are based on Reaper tech, I don't think she's "indoctrinated".

She pretty much began modifying her programming when she was unchained, but most of the changes were made in the latter half of ME 3.  She changed her programming to embrace duty, altruism, and love.  Ok, so you can say she lied and didn't (just to entrench herself) but EDI had way too many opportunities to betray Shepard and the crew.

While the eyes could be indicative of reaper tech, for the above reason, I don't believe she was a Reaper agent in any way or form.  But hey, BW could state otherwise at any point in time if they chose to

Again, sorry fot the troll post OP.

EDIT: Spelling

Modifié par Krushiev01, 16 mai 2012 - 12:04 .

[Kaelef]

Krushiev01 wrote...

While the eyes could be indicative of reaper tech, for the above reason, I don't believe she was a Reaper agent in any way or form.

THEY'RE NOT THE SAME
THEY'RE NOT THE SAME
THEY'RE NOT THE SAME

Demonburnt wrote...

Anyone consider they just rehashed old assets?

*sigh* 

I work and slave over a hot keyboard to show how they're not even the same eyes... The least you guys could do is actually look at my beautiful posts...  






But the real question is, what does it mean if you meet a girl with kaleidoscope eyes??

Modifié par Kaelef, 16 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[Krushiev01]

Kaelef wrote...

Demonburnt wrote...

Anyone consider they just rehashed old assets?

*sigh* 

I work and slave over a hot keyboard to show how they're not even the same eyes... The least you guys could do is actually look at my beautiful posts...  






But the real question is, what does it mean if you meet a girl with kaleidoscope eyes??

Sorry for not reading your posts, I just came back to the thread to apologize to the OP, as for the girl with Kaleidoscope eyes... Kill her with fire... Abomination, I says.

Or... You could Picture yourself in a boat on a river, with tangerine trees and marmalade skies....

Modifié par Krushiev01, 16 mai 2012 - 12:11 .

[Candidate 88766]

EDI, TIM, and Shepard all have synthetic eyes.

TIM has them due to the huskification process that occured in one of the comics. EDI has them because she is in a synthetic body. Shepard has them because he was rebuilt.

Indoctrination does not lead to synthetic eyes.

The huskification process and the indoctrination process are two different things. They're related - chances are if you're being turned into a husk, you're surrounded by Reaper tech and thus are being indoctrinated - but being indoctrinated does not suddenly turn your eyes synthetic.

Benezia and the asari on Virmire were both indoctrinated, but did not have synthetic eyes.

TIM and Saren were both augmented with Reaper technology, which is they had synthetic eyes. Synthetic eyes are not necessarily indicative of indoctrination. They can simply mean that the person has synthetic eyes, as in Shepard's case.

The fact that Shepard's synthetic eyes are shown in the control and synthesis endings don't mean anything. They aren't evidence of indoctrination because indoctrination doesn't turn your eyes synthetic. The huskifying process does, and Shepard has not ever undergone this process. 

We know from Dr Eva that synthetic eyes can be covered up to look normal. The simply explanation as to why you see Shepard's synthetic eyes in control and synthesis is because his flesh is being torn away by the energy.

Shepard and EDI having the same eyes as TIM does not indicate indoctrination. It could suggest that Shepard and EDI have started the huskifying process, but as this never occurs in any of the games we can dismiss this.


Edit - it seems that EDI's eyes are only similar to TIM's, not identical. That doesn't change what I've said, but I should mention this here before someone corrects me.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 mai 2012 - 12:18 .

[Dantexr3]

I don't see anything strange here. Shepard's renegade red eyes have the same pattern.

Modifié par Dantexr3, 16 mai 2012 - 01:49 .

[The Angry One]

TIM adopted the 3 orb motif of his eyes for various aspects of Cerberus.
Such as Shepard's eyes, and TIM's lapels and cufflinks.

Hell, the 3 orbs technically predate Cerberus' ME2 portrayal entirely, a more abstract version was the symbol for ME1's Cerberus Skunkworks:

[snackrat]

...because they can just use the same textures. It's a custom texture of the eyes - what gives TIM the colour 'blue' is just making the iris blue. The custom texture does the rest.
So, EDI has grey eyes, and yumyum leftover textures

[Kaelef]

The Angry One wrote...

TIM adopted the 3 orb motif of his eyes for various aspects of Cerberus.
Such as Shepard's eyes, and TIM's lapels and cufflinks.

Hell, the 3 orbs technically predate Cerberus' ME2 portrayal entirely, a more abstract version was the symbol for ME1's Cerberus Skunkworks:

Cool - I'd never noticed that!


@Dantexr3 - See, I'm always such a paragon of goodness and love that I never would've seen that...  :happy:






I don't understand why Shep is bursting with lava when he's a renegade, though.

Modifié par Kaelef, 16 mai 2012 - 02:13 .

[The Angry One]

Karsciyin wrote...

...because they can just use the same textures. It's a custom texture of the eyes - what gives TIM the colour 'blue' is just making the iris blue. The custom texture does the rest.
So, EDI has grey eyes, and yumyum leftover textures

Nah. EDI's has distinct differences, the outer circle for instance is solid while TIM's is a "barcode" type.
EDI's iris background is also solid grey, whereas TIM's has an iris that is subdued unless bright light is cast on it, like here:

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

[Kaelef]

The Angry One wrote...

Nah. EDI's has distinct differences, the outer circle for instance is solid while TIM's is a "barcode" type.
EDI's iris background is also solid grey, whereas TIM's has an iris that is subdued unless bright light is cast on it, like here:

How'd you get Shep with TIM eyes??  

[The Angry One]

Kaelef wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nah. EDI's has distinct differences, the outer circle for instance is solid while TIM's is a "barcode" type.
EDI's iris background is also solid grey, whereas TIM's has an iris that is subdued unless bright light is cast on it, like here:

How'd you get Shep with TIM eyes??  

Save editing. The ME3 version of the gibbed save editor actually comes with TIM's eyes as an appearance file you can load.
Then you can change the emis_color value to any colour you like. For art:

[Kaelef]

The Angry One wrote...

Save editing. The ME3 version of the gibbed save editor actually comes with TIM's eyes as an appearance file you can load.

Neat-o.  I'll have to play with that editor eventually...

[Salient Archer]

A lot of people on this forum need to read Mass Effect Evolution before sprouting absolutes about TIM (aka Jack Harper) and his eyes.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 17 mai 2012 - 02:15 .

[soulprovider]

 


this is why I'm having a hard time beleiving in indoctrination, because if indoctrination involved such telling signs then the way vigil talks about indoctrinated agents you would think that the protheans would not have taken in the sleeper agents if their eyes had noticeable traits, however reaper tech makes sense though more likely cybernetics are more than likely, since you know illusive man did not put the reaper nanites into him until after the events of ME2.

EDIT:
ALSO SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THESE THREE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE INDOCTRINATION EYES

BENEZIA
 

SHIALA
ME1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCsO-w3hJaM 
ME2: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctz7AvmGCkA 

RANA THANATOPOLIS
HD tho lighting needs to be fixed since shepard and his allies are all bright white eyes
ME1: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfS6a9C76Dc 
ME2: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOCrCohZJQE 
And according to ME3 she was indoctrinated and killed many high ranking personel.

Now look closely at the eyes, these are three confirmed in the series are indoctrinated agents(funny how they are all asari, but that ties into my bioware hinting at liara being indoctrinated throughout the series but thats a different thread for a different day)

If the eyes represented indoctrination from all three games in the series then why are the eyes normal for these sleeper agents.

EDIT: you know after watching shiala's video again and thinking about the  derelict reaper mission in ME2 i'm beginning to wonder if what she is describing is the ideals of indoctrination and why so many cave to it, right before her eyes go black, shepard sees ilos for the first time and then the reaper shows up and says hello in his vidsion...... what if shes trying to indcotrinate him and as I said before what if liara is doing the same, remember it takes a while before the thorians effects start uniting zhu's hope as a hive mind fighting entity, hmm makes you wonder doesn't it.

Modifié par soulprovider, 17 mai 2012 - 04:20 .

[soulprovider]

bump

[Kaelef]

With the exception of "Mass Effect: Evolution", all evidence is that the eyes have nothing to do with indoctrination (although they *can* be a result of physical transformation into "husk" form, but even then, there all sorts of different husk eye types).

I don't really know what to say about "Mass Effect: Evolution", other than it contradicts everything else.

If anyone has read the books -- I'd love to know if they add anything to the conversation.

Modifié par Kaelef, 17 mai 2012 - 04:41 .

[The Angry One]

Who is making the argument that all indoctrinated people = TIM eyes?
The indoctrinated would make pretty damn poor infiltrators and spies if that were so.

"There are indoctrinated people among us! How will we find them!"

"They all have glowing blue/green artificial eyes."

"Oh there they are. That was easy."

[Salient Archer]

I don't think the argument really swings one way or another. TIM, Saren and Shep all seem to have those eyes [the later when he choses Synthesis or Control but not Destroy]. We know how TIM receives his through contact with the Arch Monolith during the first contact war. It's called an artistic cue used to draw parelles, BioWare obsessed over the design of the eyes so it's safe to say they referenced this striking and obvious feature for a reason.

We've seen that some indoctrinated agents don't have those iris patterns, such as Benezia, which would be far more effective for a sleeper agent [not that anyone ever questions TIM or Saren about theres]

As for Renegade Shep's glowing red ones: All I can say is that TIM has had close to 3 decades to live with his new eyes, couldn't it be safe to say that Shepard's implants are a reflection of this obsession. Also for the record they aren't exactly like TIMs much like EDI's aren't, however during Synthesis and Control they're exact duplicates.

What we do know for sure is that the eyes are one of the possible bi-products of someone coming into contact with Reaper tech.

As for evolution being contradictory! How so? Considering it was written by Mac Walters [Co-Lead for ME2 and lead writer for ME3] wouldn't it be safe to assume he might know a few more things about TIM and the ME universe than we do? It's very arrogant to assume he would know less about his creations than we do, and supplanting that idea, there's this little thing called a RetCon.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 17 mai 2012 - 07:18 .

[Salient Archer]

Before contact with the Arch Monolith:

During contact with the Arch Monolith:

After contact with the Arch Monolith: