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[Curlain]

We get to execute/kill Anora? I'm in, when is the DLC coming out, *reads on, realises it's just a suggestion*, darn it, you had my hopes up there :-), I've wanted excute Anora since my first playthrough, but I'd want this just for that option. In fact just have a execute Anora option, the rest is pure gravy :-)

[BroBear Berbil]

I'm sure the nobles of Ferelden would be all for renewed political upheavel as soon as they find a measure of stability in which they can combat the darkspawn all because a Grey Warden is on a power trip.

[Asante81]

Hmmm... so wanting to execute Anora for Alistair is a Grey Warden on a power trip? *nudge*

Well, for me there are so many reasons why I would want her executed, I wouldn't care about gaining the power in the end for myself. The fun of that mod would be executing a very very annoying character...

[Ulyn]

To be perfectly honest virulent Anoraphobia struck me as being off-putting in the same way H. Clinton derangement syndrome was. It isn't that either person was particularly likeable, I was just disconcerted by the cheerfully frank hatred the whole "imperious class president" demeanor inspired.

[Curlain]

I don't dislike Anora because she's a woman (personally thought H. Clinton could be a good President potentially, but then I'm not an American so my opinion isn't really relevent in that issue) but Anora came off to me as purely power-hunger without any concern for a land (and not even necessarly a great leader since we only ever had her word on that fact, indeed getting displaced by her father despite being the ruling Queen and having to run to the Warden doesn't say to much for her, according to her, much vaunted political and leadership ablities). She's to much like her father but even worse in that the only cause she is dedicated to is herself, and is single-minded rather then seeing the larger picture.



Could I be wrong about her, sure but I actually think Alistair makes the better ruler overall in the end

[Asante81]

I'm female... and I dislike her for being a power-hungry selfish spoilt... something. She is everything Loghain ever wanted for himself I guess. If he could have married Cailan himself, he would have done it. I wonder if Anora would have been different if she wouldn't have been who she is. But if she wouldn't she wouldn't matter at all because she would be someone completely unimportant... ehm... *laughs* sorry...

Modifié par Asante81, 09 décembre 2009 - 07:25 .

[Indraugnir Caledor]

lv12medic wrote...

So with this DLC, we get to loot Anora's corpse and have her robes in the end?

and maybe her neatly severed head as an orniment for the party campsite

[Asante81]

Indraugnir Caledor wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

So with this DLC, we get to loot Anora's corpse and have her robes in the end?

and maybe her neatly severed head as an orniment for the party campsite

No no... better not... I'm sure that would ruin Alistairs mood to follow me into my tent. Knowing that he'll be watched by her dead eyes...

[Indraugnir Caledor]

Asante81 wrote...

Indraugnir Caledor wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

So with this DLC, we get to loot Anora's corpse and have her robes in the end?

and maybe her neatly severed head as an orniment for the party campsite

No no... better not... I'm sure that would ruin Alistairs mood to follow me into my tent. Knowing that he'll be watched by her dead eyes...

Not if you put it on 'sentry duty' near the camp entrance/exit

[Asante81]

Now why do I have to think about that floating skull with the stupid comments? I hope I can make Anora's head shut up at least!

[The Angry One]

OnionXI wrote...

I'm sure the nobles of Ferelden would be all for renewed political upheavel as soon as they find a measure of stability in which they can combat the darkspawn all because a Grey Warden is on a power trip.

7

Let's see, benevolent noble Grey Warden ruler, or jumped up tyrant commoner.
Which IS the better option I wonder...

[tmp7704]

I'm hoping in their next game Bioware includes even more characters who dare to put their own goals first rather than do nothing but jump as high as the player tells them.



I mean, with that comment how the writers live off the players' tears, they pretty much struck on their own Niagara Falls in here.

[The Angry One]

tmp7704 wrote...

I'm hoping in their next game Bioware includes even more characters who dare to put their own goals first rather than do nothing but jump as high as the player tells them.

I mean, with that comment how the writers live off the players' tears, they pretty much struck on their own Niagara Falls in here.

You know what? If Anora had a leg to stand on in her little power trip, I'd appreciate it. But she doesn't.
What I loathe is characters who win because the plot says so, and that's Anora through-and-through.

She threw her lot in with the losing side, she loses virtually all support (depending on your choices), she has no legitimate claim to the throne. By all rights she should be swinging from the top of Ft. Drakon. If she's lucky.

[Curlain]

Asante81 wrote...

Now why do I have to think about that floating skull with the stupid comments? I hope I can make Anora's head shut up at least!

Morte was once Anora, it all makes sense now (he did say he used to be a evil person when he was alive), and it's clear he was wrong about being a he to (easy mistake to make when you're just a skull )

Modifié par Curlain, 09 décembre 2009 - 08:23 .

[Asante81]

I agree with TOA. For me it's not a matter of her not doing what I want her to do, it's the way she does it.

Shall I tell you something about my last playthrough? Anora sided with Loghain, which wasn't a surprise since I sided with Alistair from the beginning. Only TWO of the banns in the landsmeet supported Loghain after Anora's performance and I still got the ending where Loghain tried to arrest me. Now why was that? Just some weird bug? Or "someone" trying to make her win in any case if we don't support her... who knows...

[BroBear Berbil]

Asante81 wrote...

I'm female... and I dislike her for being a power-hungry selfish spoilt... something. She is everything Loghain ever wanted for himself I guess. If he could have married Cailan himself, he would have done it. I wonder if Anora would have been different if she wouldn't have been who she is. But if she wouldn't she wouldn't matter at all because she would be someone completely unimportant... ehm... *laughs* sorry...

I really don't find her actively fighting for her political survival and keeping the throne particularly power-hungry or selfish. She truly feels that she is best fit to lead Ferelden but finds her future as queen threatened on three fronts (Loghain's emergency regency, Alistair's claim, Darkspawn threat). Should she have just stayed in Loghain's shadow, kowtowed to Arl Eamon, or just given up? As you suggest, she would be a far less interesting character had she done any of those things. Frankly, I find putting Alistair on the throne to be the selfish and power-hungry option. Let's take a look at some facts.

- Anora is reigning queen and has a legitimite right to stay on the throne. She was not a consort.

- Loghain is the main power in the land after being appointed regent for the crisis he helped orchestrate. Once you get to know Loghain he clarifies that he never intended to steal the throne but how is Anora supposed to know that? Even if he did not wish to steal the throne she was still at the mercy of Howe.

- She is very popular among the commoners and nobles alike and has been governing fine for 5 years.

- Alistair is inexperienced and does not want to rule.

- You need to unite Ferelden to combat the Blight. Anora is a willing ally if she has the power to help. Loghain is the only obstacle. There is no real reason to take it further by deposing her and placing a Grey Warden on the throne. Your ultimate goal is met by keeping Anora in power, Alistair is happy, and Ferelden has a proven leader they know and trust.

If it was worth having her executed then I think it would have been added in the original game. I just find the idea of running around doing errands for nobles after the Landsmeet so they'll support executing their queen preposterous.

[The Angry One]

OnionXI wrote...

- Anora is reigning queen and has a legitimite right to stay on the throne. She was not a consort.

She is queen by marriage to a dead man, a man killed by her own father.
Furthermore she was with Cailan for 5 years and produced no heir. She also allowed her father to illegally become Regent.

- Loghain is the main power in the land after being appointed regent for the crisis he helped orchestrate. Once you get to know Loghain he clarifies that he never intended to steal the throne but how is Anora supposed to know that? Even if he did not wish to steal the throne she was still at the mercy of Howe.

She knows her father would never harm her, and collaborated with his rise to regent. If she was any sort of competent queen she could've stopped it, if she wanted to.

- She is very popular among the commoners and nobles alike and has been governing fine for 5 years.

The commoners who think that Cailan's death is a curse from the Maker for marrying her?
The nobles who will throw their lot in with you after a few favours?

- Alistair is inexperienced and does not want to rule.

Unless you convince him otherwise.

- You need to unite Ferelden to combat the Blight. Anora is a willing ally if she has the power to help. Loghain is the only obstacle. There is no real reason to take it further by deposing her and placing a Grey Warden on the throne. Your ultimate goal is met by keeping Anora in power, Alistair is happy, and Ferelden has a proven leader they know and trust.

It depends on the player character, doesn't it? Why would a Cousland, who's family was destroyed by the machinations of Howe and Loghain, merely sit by and let the foolish wench who sat by and allowed them to do it remain in power.
Indeed, a female Cousland can depose Anora, which defeats your "ultimate goal" argument. The problem is this is done in a rigid and unsatisfying way (and if Alistair dies, Anora is magically back on the throne! WHAT)

If it was worth having her executed then I think it would have been added in the original game. I just find the idea of running around doing errands for nobles after the Landsmeet so they'll support executing their queen preposterous.

Why not? Nobles are a selfish bunch, ultimately they will do what will allow them to remain in power and wealth, if you prove to them a more capable ally than Anora then logically they'd drop her like a steaming hot sack of.. steaming hot things.

[tmp7704]

The Angry One wrote...

You know what? If Anora had a leg to stand on in her little power trip, I'd appreciate it. But she doesn't.
What I loathe is characters who win because the plot says so, and that's Anora through-and-through.

That's also the player's own character...

[The Angry One]

tmp7704 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know what? If Anora had a leg to stand on in her little power trip, I'd appreciate it. But she doesn't.
What I loathe is characters who win because the plot says so, and that's Anora through-and-through.

That's also the player's own character...

Bullcrap, the PC earns their power through the storyline.
Anora retains her power in spite of it.

[Jacks-Up]

I would settle for the option just to kill her and leave the lad in disarray.

[Darth_Trethon]

Anora is a great Queen.....perhaps the best Queen in Ferelden's history IMO. Why would anyone EVER want to remove her from power? Do I want to be fully king and not just King Consort? Yes I do but NOT if it means Anora has to be removed from power. She HAS to be Queen and Ferelden is just about doomed.

[The Angry One]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Anora is a great Queen.....perhaps the best Queen in Ferelden's history IMO. Why would anyone EVER want to remove her from power? Do I want to be fully king and not just King Consort? Yes I do but NOT if it means Anora has to be removed from power. She HAS to be Queen and Ferelden is just about doomed.

And this fantasy is based on..

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 décembre 2009 - 08:41 .

[tmp7704]

The Angry One wrote...

Bullcrap, the PC earns their power through the storyline.

What power really? For the most of the game you're just doing (unwittingly) bidding of the Witch of the Wilds, after she was nice/shrewd enough to rescue you from certain death and literally hand you the source of your "power" -- the treaties which cause everyone in game actually pay attention to you rather than just laugh and tell you off. And both of these are nothing but the plot devices.

And when you ultimately stab that dragon most of your "power" dissipated because these armies you gathered, they no longer have reason to listen to you and they go back home. Like Wynne says, you're "hero of Ferelden" but these same people who hail you the hero won't hesitate to tear you down to shreds as soon as you make the smallest mistake. Fame is fickle like that, just ask Loghain.

[Asante81]

No... I'm not going to start on that "Anora is REIGNING queen and not a consort" thing again... starting to be sick of it...

And Loghain wasn't BEING appointed as regent, he made himself regent.

And supporting someone who knows of the importance of Grey Wardens in a current blight is more selfish than supporting someone whose regent deliberately let all but two Grey Wardens get killed and accused the two remaining ones as traitors more selfish? I want to save our little Grey Warden asses to get rid of the Blight to save... everyone?. Very selfish, indeed. Do I know if Anora thinks like Loghain in that matter or not? Especially after her constant backstabbing the PC for her own sake?

Why does she think she would be such a great queen? It's the bad situations that make you a good ruler, not the daily business governing during peaceful times. And let's face it: her actions weren't the most clever ones. She allowed Loghain to take over and didn't do anything to prevent his grave mistakes. Do I, as the PC, during the conversations with her prior to the landsmeet get the impression of her actually realising the real threat? Sure, she agrees to help me, but she would agree to anything to get my support. All she wants to talk about is why she's so much greater than Alistair. Or did I miss something? To be honest: I disliked her from the very beginning. My gut feeling told me that she's double-crossing everyone to become queen, that she's telling everything to get to her goal.



To me, how that character was depicted, was very selfish from the beginning. Maybe she wasn't intended like that, but she sounded like a spoilt girl pouting because daddy was mean to her, wanting to get rid of daddy so she can play alone in her sandbox.



The only reason why they left Anora alive in her tower is the possible ending of King Alistair sacrificing himself so Ferelden wouldn't be without a rule. Pure game decision. Nothing to do with what anyone would do in real life. So yes, I want the option to execute her. As she does with Alistair if you decide for Loghain and don't beg her to spare his life. (or something like that... didn't test it yet). It's a realistic decision. Not only because of not liking the character, but out of "being a good king, getting rid of any possible threat to the throne" reasons.

But yes, personally I would like to see her being executed. I don't like dishonest backstabbing people.

[The Angry One]

You do realise that hero rule also applies to Anora, yes? And yet despite all her mistakes, she's supposed to remain the beloved Queen? Balony on rye-bread.



And you know what? I'm sick of people, devs included, bringing up the treaties.

I will say this now. The treaties are garbage. All they do is point you in the general direction of groups that can help you.

In not one SINGLE case do the treaties automatically gain you any help. You've got to save the Dalish, save the Mages, help Redcliffe, help Arl Eamon, help the future Dwarven king. Or the alternatives like werewolves/templars WHO ARE BOUND BY NO TREATIES.

So really, stop bringing them up. The treaties are an excuse to get you where you're going, they don't help you at all.