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[The Angry One]

Darth_Trethon wrote...


The PC didn't rule a teyrninr....his parents did...when he was first to actually be in charge the world came crashing down on him/her in about 5 minutes.

Use logic! If the PC was about to be left in charge of the Terynir and with Fergus and Bryce going off to war possibly becoming the next Teryn/Teryna if they died, then obviously they had been educated and prepared for the job!
You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

And Anora did NOT let the crysis get anything....she did all she could and acted as soon as she could. She was a prisoner likely to be executed by Howe....nobody besides the PC could fight Loghain and Howe and give her the ability to speak out and do something.

You're again ignoring the civil war and the vocal opposition in the first Landsmeet where Anora was present.

[Asante81]

Thank you The Angry One... spares me to go on about "education"...

Modifié par Asante81, 09 décembre 2009 - 09:22 .

[Darth_Trethon]

The Angry One wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

She is held in much higher esteem than her husband by the people of
Ferelden, nobility and commoners alike, and commands the respect even
of foreign nations, having once inspired Empress Celene I of Orlais to declare, "Anora of Ferelden is a solitary rose among brambles."

It says foreign nations. But only cites Orlais. And the praise of a tyrannical regime that once brutalised Ferelden and maintains a class that is allowed to enslave and rape commoners at will is hardly a glowing reference. My point stands.

And Anora is NOT trying to kill ayone untill the landsmeet and only calls for an execution out of necessity to preserve peace and stability. She is NOT responsible for Loghain's actions stop trying to shift the blame. What Loghain did only falls on him and him alone.

Um, she tries to GET YOU ARRESTED and possibly KILLED, continually backstabs and lies about you and attempts to have you executed DURING THE BLIGHT. She is clearly guilty of what you yourself cited as a foolish way to rule.

First only Orlais is called by name but it cannot be denied the the codex CLEARLY refers to multiple nations....likely all the neighbors(who are the only ones in a position to do something bad) and other nations. Only a couple of other nations are ever mentioned at all in the whole game....Antiva and Orlais and Orlais is the largest threat.....so the main ones to keep an eye on.

Only does that if you turn on her and it's not personal she does it out of the same necessity to preserve balance and stability if you refuse to support her. Nothing of the sort ever happened to me simply because it's the PC's fault for trying to put a fool on the throne over an already largely accepted queen everyone loves.....that is the PC's fault for trying to further destabilize the situation. Alistair stumbles over his words at the landsmeet and has exactly 0 ideas about what it means or takes to be a king and deal with royal duties, You do NOT put someone like that in power in the middle of a crysis.

[The Angry One]

tmp7704 wrote...

I'm fairly sure as soon as she stabs her King in the back and wipes out most of the military of her country in a staged coup people will be all in arms about it. They may even execute her if she fails to win the Landsmeet debate, an all-out fight afterwards and a honorable duel to follow.

By colluding with her father, this is precisely what she did, you know.

I'm rather glad they skipped all the paperwork in the Dalish camp for the game flow sake, but you don't realistically expect these elves would leave you with anything but arrow up your rear end if you just claimed you're a Grey Warden without anything to back it up, do you? I mean, as the nice templar at the docks puts it, "and i'm actually the Queen of Antiva".

With the right dialog, you don't even have to reveal you're a Grey Warden to Mithra, so no, you're wrong.
By the time you talk to Zathrian you can merely say you're a Warden, and he's been around long enough to tell if you are or not, and he NEEDS help anyway.

The templars at the Circle might be desperate for decent help but here we run into snag again. How exactly do you prove you are the "decent help"? Sure, they'll just let anyone who asks and claims they want to help into tower overran with abominations and blood mages; what could possibly go wrong.

Because if nothing else you're a band of heavily armed mercs who've just walked in and offered help while Greagor is still desperately waiting on word from Denerim. So sure, why not?
 

I think the counter-point is even with the treaties out of picture while the help you eventually provide is appreciated, it's quite unrealistic to expect entire factions to support you forever because of that. Basically you do them a favour, they do you a favour in return and that's it, you're even.

Maybe not forever, but they've pledged loyalty for you for your actions for now. They owe you big time, like it or not.
Again, two groups do this without ANY obligation through treaties.

[tmp7704]

The Angry One wrote...

Use logic! If the PC was about to be left in charge of the Terynir and with Fergus and Bryce going off to war possibly becoming the next Teryn/Teryna if they died, then obviously they had been educated and prepared for the job!
You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

Using the same logic you're left there because there's no one else to leave there. Both your father and your older brother are mobilized to fight darkspawn, a threat which pops suddenly after 400+ years of inactivity.

But i'm sure the noble PC was fully educated in advance in preparation just for this very thing happening.

[Darth_Trethon]

The Angry One wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


The PC didn't rule a teyrninr....his parents did...when he was first to actually be in charge the world came crashing down on him/her in about 5 minutes.

Use logic! If the PC was about to be left in charge of the Terynir and with Fergus and Bryce going off to war possibly becoming the next Teryn/Teryna if they died, then obviously they had been educated and prepared for the job!
You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

He's also left with very few troops in an area assumed to be under no threat and if the the blight got there they understood the teyrnir stood no chance at all. So he was left in charge of nothing but domestic duties.....make sure to tell the servants to take out the trash dear.....yeah that sounds like kingly experience.

[The Angry One]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

First only Orlais is called by name but it cannot be denied the the codex CLEARLY refers to multiple nations....likely all the neighbors(who are the only ones in a position to do something bad) and other nations. Only a couple of other nations are ever mentioned at all in the whole game....Antiva and Orlais and Orlais is the largest threat.....so the main ones to keep an eye on.

So? That's vague as hell. For all you know like asante said, they're praising her on her hair.
The only concrete praise we have is character praise from a very dubious source.

Only does that if you turn on her and it's not personal she does it out of the same necessity to preserve balance and stability if you refuse to support her. Nothing of the sort ever happened to me simply because it's the PC's fault for trying to put a fool on the throne over an already largely accepted queen everyone loves.....that is the PC's fault for trying to further destabilize the situation.

Baloney, she does it for the unbelievable crime of not personally talking to her. Some ego that is.
"Oh hey it's the Grey Warden who's primary concerned with saving the world from the Blight and is vitally important for the future of out world.. HOW DARE SHE NOT TALK TO ME!".
And again, whatever the reason, she has the unmitigated gall to play stupid games with you and Alistair while Ferelden burns. She is a power hungry fool. Accept it.

Alistair stumbles over his words at the landsmeet and has exactly 0 ideas about what it means or takes to be a king and deal with royal duties, You do NOT put someone like that in power in the middle of a crysis.

You do when the person currently in power shouldn't be. Alistair stumbles over his words? Better than a wastrel of a Queen who let daddy become a tyrant due to her own weakness or selfishness.

[Asante81]

tmp7704 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Use logic! If the PC was about to be left in charge of the Terynir and with Fergus and Bryce going off to war possibly becoming the next Teryn/Teryna if they died, then obviously they had been educated and prepared for the job!
You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

Using the same logic you're left there because there's no one else to leave there. Both your father and your older brother are mobilized to fight darkspawn, a threat which pops suddenly after 400+ years of inactivity.

But i'm sure the noble PC was fully educated in advance in preparation just for this very thing happening.

There are a lot of reasons for people dying in these times. Orlais for example. They've been thrown out only 30 years ago. Sure they must try to come back. And then there's constant fighting amongst the banns and arls for power and... wool or whatever... It would be nothing but completely foolish NOT to give your second child the same education as your first one. If it would have been the fifth... then... I can understand that argument...

[The Angry One]

tmp7704 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Use logic! If the PC was about to be left in charge of the Terynir and with Fergus and Bryce going off to war possibly becoming the next Teryn/Teryna if they died, then obviously they had been educated and prepared for the job!
You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

Using the same logic you're left there because there's no one else to leave there. Both your father and your older brother are mobilized to fight darkspawn, a threat which pops suddenly after 400+ years of inactivity.

But i'm sure the noble PC was fully educated in advance in preparation just for this very thing happening.

How dense are you? You would've been educated either way because you're the child of a Teryn, the castle has it's own full-time teacher (that sage guy).
And by the way, Teyrna Eleanor is still there. If you were really so unqualified, she would rule. Instead, Bryce specifically asks her to leave so as to not undermine you.

[The Angry One]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

He's also left with very few troops in an area assumed to be under no threat and if the the blight got there they understood the teyrnir stood no chance at all. So he was left in charge of nothing but domestic duties.....make sure to tell the servants to take out the trash dear.....yeah that sounds like kingly experience.

Yes, clearly the administration of a noble house, the city of Highever, it's surrounding lands and the various Arlings and Banns is child's play. <_<

[Darth_Trethon]

The Angry One wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

First only Orlais is called by name but it cannot be denied the the codex CLEARLY refers to multiple nations....likely all the neighbors(who are the only ones in a position to do something bad) and other nations. Only a couple of other nations are ever mentioned at all in the whole game....Antiva and Orlais and Orlais is the largest threat.....so the main ones to keep an eye on.

So? That's vague as hell. For all you know like asante said, they're praising her on her hair.
The only concrete praise we have is character praise from a very dubious source.

Only does that if you turn on her and it's not personal she does it out of the same necessity to preserve balance and stability if you refuse to support her. Nothing of the sort ever happened to me simply because it's the PC's fault for trying to put a fool on the throne over an already largely accepted queen everyone loves.....that is the PC's fault for trying to further destabilize the situation.

Baloney, she does it for the unbelievable crime of not personally talking to her. Some ego that is.
"Oh hey it's the Grey Warden who's primary concerned with saving the world from the Blight and is vitally important for the future of out world.. HOW DARE SHE NOT TALK TO ME!".
And again, whatever the reason, she has the unmitigated gall to play stupid games with you and Alistair while Ferelden burns. She is a power hungry fool. Accept it.

Alistair stumbles over his words at the landsmeet and has exactly 0 ideas about what it means or takes to be a king and deal with royal duties, You do NOT put someone like that in power in the middle of a crysis.

You do when the person currently in power shouldn't be. Alistair stumbles over his words? Better than a wastrel of a Queen who let daddy become a tyrant due to her own weakness or selfishness.

You are grasping at straws to make her references seem weak when the fact remains there is no other ruler that is more appropriate for the job.

She did a great job as a queen and held the country together for 5 years.....just about everyone else thinks she should be ont the throne and if you fail to understand that stability must be preserved then you deserve what's coming to you. I had NO problems with Anora EVER and the landsmeet went smoothly and without incident. The country was united against the blight along with all the other allies but most importantly after it was all over the stability remained. If alistair is on the trhone we never find out who rules ever except that he does not.....for all we know orlesians do.

[Darth_Trethon]

The Angry One wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

He's also left with very few troops in an area assumed to be under no threat and if the the blight got there they understood the teyrnir stood no chance at all. So he was left in charge of nothing but domestic duties.....make sure to tell the servants to take out the trash dear.....yeah that sounds like kingly experience.

Yes, clearly the administration of a noble house, the city of Highever, it's surrounding lands and the various Arlings and Banns is child's play. <_<

They were ALL gone to war.....only the servants and a couple of people were left at best. They were assumed under no threat. He was left in charge of an empty area. And most deffinitely NOT to be compared with running a coutry. The PC has nowhere near enough experience to be on the throne while Anora ran the country just about single handedly for years. She is accepted while you would receive suspicion and incooperation at best if you forced your way to power.

[Asante81]

What YOU do is believe everything Anora and Loghain say. Do these two people seem like someone who would say about him/herself: "Hey, I'm a crap ruler, I make decisions that are completely bollocks, all I want is getting rid of the image of being a swineherder/swineherder's daughter"?



I still don't know where you're pulling that "good ruler for 5 years in times of nothing special going on" card as "Oweee, she's the best ruler we've ever had!"

[The Angry One]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

You are grasping at straws to make her references seem weak when the fact remains there is no other ruler that is more appropriate for the job.

Repeating something doesn't make it true.

She did a great job as a queen and held the country together for 5 years.....just about everyone else thinks she should be ont the throne and if you fail to understand that stability must be preserved then you deserve what's coming to you. I had NO problems with Anora EVER and the landsmeet went smoothly and without incident. The country was united against the blight along with all the other allies but most importantly after it was all over the stability remained. If alistair is on the trhone we never find out who rules ever except that he does not.....for all we know orlesians do.

She did a decent job during uneventful peacetime, aside from, you know, having any sense of justice when it came to the Alienages. Perhaps this rampant abuse involving nobles preying on and raping commoners is what the Empress of Orlais admires her for...

You ignore the simple fact that when Anora's competence as ruler was actually tested, she FAILED. Miserably. And she kept failing until the country descended into civil war. And when you come to the Landsmeet to set things right, she fails again by supporting the losing side and betraying you.

If you had absolutely no problems with her in the Landsmeet, then you obviously played to her favour. That shows you nothing. The true gauge of a person is what they do when under stress, and under these conditions, Anora, once again, FAILED.

[Darth_Trethon]

Asante81 wrote...

What YOU do is believe everything Anora and Loghain say. Do these two people seem like someone who would say about him/herself: "Hey, I'm a crap ruler, I make decisions that are completely bollocks, all I want is getting rid of the image of being a swineherder/swineherder's daughter"?

I still don't know where you're pulling that "good ruler for 5 years in times of nothing special going on" card as "Oweee, she's the best ruler we've ever had!"

I do NOT believe in Loghain nor have I ever said otherwise. Do NOT tie those two together. I only believe in Anora because she has done a grat job onb the throne and everyone is willing to accept and follow her. Stability is the most important thing to have in the middle of a crysis. That means stability and after the game's end she does a wonderfull job as queen. Here's the codex reference:

The only child of the war hero Loghain Mac Tir, Anora has never been
one to stay quietly in the background. It is common knowledge that in
the five years Anora and Cailan held the throne, she was the one
wielding the power. She is held in much higher esteem than her husband
by the people of Ferelden, nobility and commoners alike, and commands
the respect even of foreign nations, having once inspired Empress Celene I of Orlais to declare, "Anora of Ferelden is a solitary rose among brambles."

[The Angry One]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

They were ALL gone to war.....only the servants and a couple of people were left at best. They were assumed under no threat. He was left in charge of an empty area. And most deffinitely NOT to be compared with running a coutry. The PC has nowhere near enough experience to be on the throne while Anora ran the country just about single handedly for years. She is accepted while you would receive suspicion and incooperation at best if you forced your way to power.

All of Highever went off to war did it? Including Ser Jory's pregnant wife? "Fear my the breakage of my waters, darkspawn!"
You apparently think that if the majority of the standing army is absent, a territory is somehow easier to rule. Except, you know, it'd be the exact opposite. Less forces to police the lands, more crime, unrest in the city, unhappy Banns, etc.

[Asante81]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

He's also left with very few troops in an area assumed to be under no threat and if the the blight got there they understood the teyrnir stood no chance at all. So he was left in charge of nothing but domestic duties.....make sure to tell the servants to take out the trash dear.....yeah that sounds like kingly experience.

Yes, clearly the administration of a noble house, the city of Highever, it's surrounding lands and the various Arlings and Banns is child's play. <_<

They were ALL gone to war.....only the servants and a couple of people were left at best. They were assumed under no threat. He was left in charge of an empty area. And most deffinitely NOT to be compared with running a coutry. The PC has nowhere near enough experience to be on the throne while Anora ran the country just about single handedly for years. She is accepted while you would receive suspicion and incooperation at best if you forced your way to power.

Eh... have you ever played that ending? Have you? My ending of Alistair marrying my Cousland PC said something about being loved by everyone, no problems besides roving bands of darkspawn whatsoever... blabla... They didn't receive any suspicion and incooperation AT ALL. Even the landsmeet was on my side with only two voices for Loghain... 

And I say it again: ANORA WAS RULING A COUNTRY AT TIMES OF PEACE. That's not much more difficult than ruling an empty Teyrnir. Because for all the tiring things you have people. Kings and queens are only really important at certain times where not everything goes it's way as it is supposed to be. And at THAT time, she failed.

[The Angry One]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Asante81 wrote...

What YOU do is believe everything Anora and Loghain say. Do these two people seem like someone who would say about him/herself: "Hey, I'm a crap ruler, I make decisions that are completely bollocks, all I want is getting rid of the image of being a swineherder/swineherder's daughter"?

I still don't know where you're pulling that "good ruler for 5 years in times of nothing special going on" card as "Oweee, she's the best ruler we've ever had!"

I do NOT believe in Loghain nor have I ever said otherwise. Do NOT tie those two together. I only believe in Anora because she has done a grat job onb the throne and everyone is willing to accept and follow her. Stability is the most important thing to have in the middle of a crysis. That means stability and after the game's end she does a wonderfull job as queen. Here's the codex reference:

The only child of the war hero Loghain Mac Tir, Anora has never been
one to stay quietly in the background. It is common knowledge that in
the five years Anora and Cailan held the throne, she was the one
wielding the power. She is held in much higher esteem than her husband
by the people of Ferelden, nobility and commoners alike, and commands
the respect even of foreign nations, having once inspired Empress Celene I of Orlais to declare, "Anora of Ferelden is a solitary rose among brambles."

Shale: "The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over, and expecting different results."

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

Tell that to the Arl of Denerim or Loghain.  First guy puts his son in charge.  His son is a complete ******.
Second puts Howe in charge of god knows how much.  And Howe's not only a ******, but an opportunistic ****bite.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 décembre 2009 - 09:51 .

[tmp7704]

The Angry One wrote...

By colluding with her father, this is precisely what she did, you know.

I'm sure when the evidence surfaces to show she was indeed secretly in it from the beginning the Fereldans will be up in arms. In the meantime her speaking against her father in the Landsmeet (in some playthroughs) and loudly demanding he should stop trying to drag the country into civil war while there's Blight out there (in all playthroughs, the cutscene) may confuse them a bit about the matter.

With the right dialog, you don't even have to reveal you're a Grey Warden to Mithra, so no, you're wrong.
By the time you talk to Zathrian you can merely say you're a Warden, and he's been around long enough to tell if you are or not, and he NEEDS help anyway.

Yes but my point is i think this is really just game skipping the fluff bits than anything else. Technically there's no reason for the elf guard to let you anywhere near the elder based on your word alone. Especially if you aren't elf yourself. If this happens, it's the case of Mithra getting to hold the Stupid Ball and just a plot device, much like the ones you complain about when it comes to Anora.

Because if nothing else you're a band of heavily armed mercs who've just walked in and offered help while Greagor is still desperately waiting on word from Denerim. So sure, why not?

Because for all he knows your band of heavily armed mercs can be trying to enter the tower under false pretense so they can help Uldred to fight the very force the templars are desperately waiting for. I mean, the timing of your out of the blue appearance is awfully convenient.

Even if you are indeed well wishing, then there's no reason to expect your heavily armed 4 mercs will become anything but mind-controlled hosts for more abominations. After all why would your mercs fare any better than the templars who have both greater numbers and the full professional training?

(come to think of it the fact you can just run through all these desire demons you encounter while they have no apparent problem mind-controlling everyone else is yet another pretty cheap plot device... "ohai see you can't do anything to me, my name is in the credits"
 

Maybe not forever, but they've pledged loyalty for you for your actions for now. They owe you big time, like it or not.
Again, two groups do this without ANY obligation through treaties.

They pledged to help you stop the Blight, they did just that. If you wanted more, should've said so upfront when you were negotiating the deal. "Oh btw and once we're done i'll be running for the King of Ferelden and will need you to lose even more of your people to support me in that. You cool with that, amirite?"

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

Tell that to the Arl of Denerim or Loghain.  First guy puts his son in charge.  His son is a complete ******.
Second puts Howe in charge of god knows how much.  And Howe's not only a ******, but an opportunistic ****bite.

True but I think Bryce has higher standards than that.

[Asante81]

Besides... it would sort of weaken the Theirin's rule over Ferelden if it was commonly known in other countries that the swineherder's daughter actually ruled the country. I highly doubt they would let that slip to anyone. Making the royal family look week... after the Orlais thing not so long ago... They might take the chance to come back. Oh yes. Hey, wait... maybe THAT's why Loghain is THAT paranoid about the Orlesians...

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You don't let a complete amateur stay in charge of such a powerful role for an undefined period of time.

Tell that to the Arl of Denerim or Loghain.  First guy puts his son in charge.  His son is a complete ******.
Second puts Howe in charge of god knows how much.  And Howe's not only a ******, but an opportunistic ****bite.

True but I think Bryce has higher standards than that.

And let's not forget Arl Eamon's attempt to put Alistair on the throne.  Really?  The guy who's spent the past 2 years abdicating every single decision that passed by to a junior member.  Guy can't even go to see his sister without someone holding his hand.

[Darth_Trethon]

The Angry One wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

You are grasping at straws to make her references seem weak when the fact remains there is no other ruler that is more appropriate for the job.

Repeating something doesn't make it true.

She did a great job as a queen and held the country together for 5 years.....just about everyone else thinks she should be ont the throne and if you fail to understand that stability must be preserved then you deserve what's coming to you. I had NO problems with Anora EVER and the landsmeet went smoothly and without incident. The country was united against the blight along with all the other allies but most importantly after it was all over the stability remained. If alistair is on the trhone we never find out who rules ever except that he does not.....for all we know orlesians do.

She did a decent job during uneventful peacetime, aside from, you know, having any sense of justice when it came to the Alienages. Perhaps this rampant abuse involving nobles preying on and raping commoners is what the Empress of Orlais admires her for...

You ignore the simple fact that when Anora's competence as ruler was actually tested, she FAILED. Miserably. And she kept failing until the country descended into civil war. And when you come to the Landsmeet to set things right, she fails again by supporting the losing side and betraying you.

If you had absolutely no problems with her in the Landsmeet, then you obviously played to her favour. That shows you nothing. The true gauge of a person is what they do when under stress, and under these conditions, Anora, once again, FAILED.

Now you have nothing but denial and going back to pinning Loghain's actions on her. Denial doesn't change facts. She did NOT fail at anything untill she was imprisoned after a military coup....that's not her fault regardless of how many ways you twist it. She only had one incident with the elves but nothing signifficat to threaten the peace and stability. No rule is ever flawless but she certainly has nothing that can question her competence nor any failure.....as you keep trying to pin others' actions on her'.

Now unless you have something better that this silly argument that she's responsible for Loghain's actions and overinflating the importance of a minor incident I don't see any purpose to this argument. You keep trying to make the PC seem higly qualified as king/queen but that doesn't really fly. The PC is good as a military general not at preserving peace and dealing with politice. Untill Ferelden can recover the country needs a highly capable leader to keep the peace not go to war.

[The Angry One]

tmp7704 wrote...
I'm sure when the evidence surfaces to show she was indeed secretly in it from the beginning the Fereldans will be up in arms. In the meantime her speaking against her father in the Landsmeet (in some playthroughs) and loudly demanding he should stop trying to drag the country into civil war while there's Blight out there (in all playthroughs, the cutscene) may confuse them a bit about the matter.

Too little, too late. She should've done her upmost to prevent his illegal claim to the regency from the start, it was her duty as the reigning monarch to do so. Loghain had absolutely no justification for it, and doing it directly lead to civil war.

Yes but my point is i think this is really just game skipping the fluff bits than anything else. Technically there's no reason for the elf guard to let you anywhere near the elder based on your word alone. Especially if you aren't elf yourself. If this happens, it's the case of Mithra getting to hold the Stupid Ball and just a plot device, much like the ones you complain about when it comes to Anora.

If you say so. Zathrian is no weak old man in a tent, he can handle himself and Mithra knows it. If the outsider claims to be a warden, might as well let Zathrian decide. If the outsider is persuasive or intimidating enough to not want to antagonise further, let him deal with them.

Because for all he knows your band of heavily armed mercs can be trying to enter the tower under false pretense so they can help Uldred to fight the very force the templars are desperately waiting for. I mean, the timing of your out of the blue appearance is awfully convenient.

Uldred already controls the tower, and Greagor knows his current forces won't hold them forevere. He's desperate, so he decides to bet on you.

Even if you are indeed well wishing, then there's no reason to expect your heavily armed 4 mercs will become anything but mind-controlled hosts for more abominations. After all why would your mercs fare any better than the templars who have both greater numbers and the full professional training?

Again, desperation.

(come to think of it the fact you can just run through all these desire demons you encounter while they have no apparent problem mind-controlling everyone else is yet another pretty cheap plot device... "ohai see you can't do anything to me, my name is in the credits"

Ever think that the templar's addiction to lyrium makes them rather more susceptible to the tricks of Fade beings?
 

They pledged to help you stop the Blight, they did just that. If you wanted more, should've said so upfront when you were negotiating the deal. "Oh btw and once we're done i'll be running for the King of Ferelden and will need you to lose even more of your people to support me in that. You cool with that, amirite?"

They're there to follow you, not to question your orders. And they still owe you. So they can suck it up.