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[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Ah yes, Allers. Can we all agree that if any character should have had less resources used on them, it was her?

[Unit-Alpha]

Arlionis wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I'm tired and bored of Jacob.

He got what, one game and a few lines? the problem is when boring characters like Tali are constantly shoved onto our faces. 

Also for a non-romancing Shep Jacob isn't that bad. He's even quite badass in his own iOS game. 

I feel bad for Femsheps who romanced him, though I pretty much play Male Shep exclusively.

[G Kevin]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Ah yes, Allers. Can we all agree that if any character should have had less resources used on them, it was her?

I saw her potential but the way she was put in, she was a waste.

Modifié par G Kevin, 17 mai 2012 - 12:46 .

[Gen Petitt]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Ah yes, Allers. Can we all agree that if any character should have had less resources used on them, it was her?

Yes that is a character to hate let's hate her!

[Unit-Alpha]

G Kevin wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...
Reread my statement. I said nothing of the sort about me personally; all I said was that he lost a lot of backing when he resorted to hate-mongering.

I was agreeing with your statement to a certain extent.. I am more biased toward Tali but I woudn't discard an entire point because the arguer got a little out of hand.

I would say a lot out of hand, but I'm not disregarding the point, just saying it loses a lot of air when you stab it with the needle of hate-mongering.

That was a strained metaphor.

[Shallyah]

Right, let me rephrase.


I believe the OP's point of view follows, from my humble point of view, a flawed logic. It is not Tali's presence that caused the underdevelopment of Jack, based on the fact that you can choose for Tali to not even be present in ME3 at all. Were that the problem, you can choose to have her removed in ME2, and continue that playthrough to be completely exempt of her presence.

Besides, when Tali joins the squad, it is only three main missions left to finish the game, of which only in one the storyline forces you to bring Tali in your field team. I believe this, although unfortunate for those who do not enjoy Tali's character, it is not very demanding.

In the other hand, it is more believable that the development time you wish for Jack may be drawn from the character who currently has most air time by long shot - Liara. She is locked into your field squad during four missions, and offers numerous scripted intermissions that take place regardless if your character actively seeks her out or chooses to ignore her. My humble opinion is that her character does not achieve the level of allure the writer intended, except perhaps for those in adolescent ages, drawn by Liara's teenager, meek-but-bold archetype, bolstered by an obvious sexual appeal.

I do agree with the OP in that Jack is a fantastic character, and like many others would have deserved much more story development. But it is of my honest opinion, that this development time has not been drawn in any way from the development and air time of other characters such as Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Ashley, or anyone else. If there was one character that could be sacrificed to make way for others, that would be Liara, judging objectively by the amount of scripted and forced airtime that this character receives in comparison to the rest.

Modifié par Shallyah, 17 mai 2012 - 12:52 .

[Reorte]

Tali doesn't even appear to late in the game. Out of all the characters to pick on she's the least deserving. Anyway, I like having a core squad who was with you from the start so Wrex is arguably much more neglected (although he gets plenty of non-squad screentime). In my eyes Shepard's team has always been Tali, Garrus, and Liara and others come and go. Sure, many ME2 characters didn't get enough but that's no reason to pick on others. If you want to have a go at a character for being around too often that's what Allers is for.

[Gen Petitt]

All problems where caused by Diana Allers not anyone else Allers ok

[G Kevin]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...
Reread my statement. I said nothing of the sort about me personally; all I said was that he lost a lot of backing when he resorted to hate-mongering.

I was agreeing with your statement to a certain extent.. I am more biased toward Tali but I woudn't discard an entire point because the arguer got a little out of hand.

I would say a lot out of hand, but I'm not disregarding the point, just saying it loses a lot of air when you stab it with the needle of hate-mongering.

That was a strained metaphor.

Meh. I tend to always listen to the points people make no matter how crazy it sounds. If it makes sense in the end, I don't really care how the person tells his point to me. I just want the point.

[dirtdiver32318]

Yeah jack should have had more. I can't really argue anything to be honest I liked all of the characters.

[Gen Petitt]

Even though I don't like Jack she should have had more time but diverit hate to Allers not Tali

[Unit-Alpha]

G Kevin wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...
Reread my statement. I said nothing of the sort about me personally; all I said was that he lost a lot of backing when he resorted to hate-mongering.

I was agreeing with your statement to a certain extent.. I am more biased toward Tali but I woudn't discard an entire point because the arguer got a little out of hand.

I would say a lot out of hand, but I'm not disregarding the point, just saying it loses a lot of air when you stab it with the needle of hate-mongering.

That was a strained metaphor.

Meh. I tend to always listen to the points people make no matter how crazy it sounds. If it makes sense in the end, I don't really care how the person tells his point to me. I just want the point.

To use hyperbole, Hitler had some reasonable ideas (obviously not regarding racial purity, more economic ideas), but his hate-mongering kinda kills any of them for me. But whatever.

[G Kevin]

Gen Petitt wrote...

Even though I don't like Jack she should have had more time but diverit hate to Allers not Tali

I don't think hate should be applied to any of them really. The characters either appealed to you or not.

I just find it a bit selfish to say that other characters should get less than what they have now so that the ME2 ones can get a better role.

Why not just give the ME2 characters more than what they got now?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

And so the thread was Godwin'd.

[G Kevin]

Unit-Alpha wrote...
To use hyperbole, Hitler had some reasonable ideas (obviously not regarding racial purity, more economic ideas), but his hate-mongering kinda kills any of them for me. But whatever.

Well, I haven't heard of any ideas from him that were good but if I did, I would look past Hitler for it.


But yeah, back on topic I suppose.

[Arlionis]

Shallyah wrote...

Right, let me rephrase.


I believe the OP's point of view follows, from my humble point of view, a flawed logic. It is not Tali's presence that caused the underdevelopment of Jack, based on the fact that you can choose for Tali to not even be present in ME3 at all. Were that the problem, you can choose to have her removed in ME2, and continue that playthrough to be completely exempt of her presence.

Besides, when Tali joins the squad, it is only three main missions left to finish the game, of which only in one the storyline forces you to bring Tali in your field team. I believe this, although unfortunate for those who do not enjoy Tali's character, it is not very demanding.

 

For a second time, it's not an issue of having or not having her. She's worm food in my universe, yet the development resources wasted on her could have been used on a more deserving characeter like Jack, Miranda, Samara, etc. 

 
In the other hand, it is more believable that the development time you wish for Jack may be drawn from the character who currently has most air time. She is locked into your field squad during four missions, and offers numerous scripted intermissions that take place regardless if your character actively seeks her out or chooses to ignore her. My humble opinion is that her character does not achieve the level of allure the writer intended, except perhaps for those in adolescent ages, drawn by Liara's teenager, meek-but-bold archetype.

I do agree with the OP in that Jack is a fantastic character, and like many others would have deserved much more story development. But it is of my honest opinion, that this development time has not been drawn in any way from the development and air time of other characters such as Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Ashley, or anyone else. If there was one character that could be sacrificed to make way for others, that would be Liara, judging objectively by the amount of scripted and forced airtime that this character receives in comparison to the rest.

To be honest, I prefer Liara over Tali by light years. Tali is perhaps one of the blandest characters ever created by BioWare, and I love BW, but they really dropped the ball with the "daddy issues" girl. In three games she evolved and progressed lees than Jack, Miranda or Samara in just one game. Talk about underachievement. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 17 mai 2012 - 12:56 .

[Unit-Alpha]

G Kevin wrote...

Gen Petitt wrote...

Even though I don't like Jack she should have had more time but diverit hate to Allers not Tali

I don't think hate should be applied to any of them really. The characters either appealed to you or not.

I just find it a bit selfish to say that other characters should get less than what they have now so that the ME2 ones can get a better role.

Why not just give the ME2 characters more than what they got now?

Quite. Business teaches the virtues of the win-win scenarios regarding internal conflict. Let's apply that logic here.

[Gen Petitt]

G Kevin wrote...

Gen Petitt wrote...

Even though I don't like Jack she should have had more time but diverit hate to Allers not Tali

I don't think hate should be applied to any of them really. The characters either appealed to you or not.

I just find it a bit selfish to say that other characters should get less than what they have now so that the ME2 ones can get a better role.

Why not just give the ME2 characters more than what they got now?

I agree to that but I would rather have a very unnessary character to be hated thanTali but I agree with you

Modifié par Gen Petitt, 17 mai 2012 - 12:57 .

[Taboo]

I like Tali as a squadmate and friend. She's always be there for Shepard as a friend. She has Garrus now anyway.

My Shepard belongs to someone else..........

[G Kevin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I like Tali as a squadmate and friend. She's always be there for Shepard as a friend. She has Garrus now anyway.

My Shepard belongs to someone else..........

And hopefully EC will be something to look forward to.

[Gen Petitt]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I like Tali as a squadmate and friend. She's always be there for Shepard as a friend. She has Garrus now anyway.

My Shepard belongs to someone else..........

I don't have time to deal with Mirranda right now so you are lucky

[Shallyah]

Arlionis wrote...


For a second time, it's not an issue of having or not having her. She's worm food in my universe, yet the development resources wasted on her could have been used on a more deserving characeter like Jack, Miranda, Samara, etc. 


To be honest, I prefer Liara over Tali by light years. Tali is perhaps one of the blandest characters ever created by BioWare, and I love BW, but they really dropped the ball with the "daddy issues" girl. In three games she evolved and progressed lees than Jack, Miranda or Samara in just one game. Talk about underachievement. 

Unfortunately, that is your opinion, and it is as valid or worthless as anyone's else.

The polls show that Tali is the most liked straight female character of the Mass Effect Universe with a devastating margin over the next.

Liara is the most liked by the writer. Yes, the one that wrote ME3's ending.

Modifié par Shallyah, 17 mai 2012 - 01:00 .

[jahaa]

I feel sorry for some people here.

[Taboo]

Gen Petitt wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I like Tali as a squadmate and friend. She's always be there for Shepard as a friend. She has Garrus now anyway.

My Shepard belongs to someone else..........

I don't have time to deal with Mirranda right now so you are lucky

You stop right there Pettitt

Don't make me get my belt.

I'll beat you like I beat that troll the other night.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 17 mai 2012 - 01:01 .