Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
I don't see what whoever the most-frequently-romanced character is has to do with anything. If anything, it goes against this thread, as I'm fairly sure Jack is the least-romanced female squadmate.
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
I don't see what whoever the most-frequently-romanced character is has to do with anything. If anything, it goes against this thread, as I'm fairly sure Jack is the least-romanced female squadmate.
It started when I debunked a claim that Tali was the most popular "straight female character" by a large margin. Not really part of the OP.
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
Arlionis wrote...
For a second time, it's not an issue of having or not having her. She's worm food in my universe, yet the development resources wasted on her could have been used on a more deserving characeter like Jack, Miranda, Samara, etc.
To be honest, I prefer Liara over Tali by light years. Tali is perhaps one of the blandest characters ever created by BioWare, and I love BW, but they really dropped the ball with the "daddy issues" girl. In three games she evolved and progressed lees than Jack, Miranda or Samara in just one game. Talk about underachievement.
Unfortunately, that is your opinion, and it is as valid or worthless as anyone's else.
The polls show that Tali is the most liked straight female character of the Mass Effect Universe with a devastating margin over the next.
Liara is the most liked by the writer. Yes, the one that wrote ME3's ending.
Firstly, using "straight female character" is a poor way to spin a poll. Very Fox News-esque.
Secondly, outside the BSN, Liara was ME1's top romance, Miranda was ME2's, and I'm not sure about ME3.
Finally, that last statement is a blatant fabrication. Liara was written by Drew in the first two games (I believe) and a female writer in ME3. So let's not lie. The endings were written by neither.
Being straight is a crucial defining factor. Having the possibility of being romanced by both male and female characters vastly widens the possibilities of that NPC to be romanced, moreso when approximately 82% of ME players are male, and almost half of them choose to play female, with the idea of developping a lesbian relationship. Which Tali does not allow for.
In addition, Tali was not romanceable in ME1. It was because of massive popular demand that she became so in ME2.
Even then, In the last poll I saw Garrus was favored as a LI, with Liara and Tali tied behind, both Garrus and Tali overcoming the "straight" drawback.
Finally, it is not a blatant fabrication. Drew had Liara in ME1, and removed her from ME2, which he co-wrote already with Mac Walters. It was Mac Walters who reintroduced her in LotSB. Then in ME3, now totally under the catastrophic control of Mac Walters, Liara was given 4x airtime, development and story weight than any other character, by the same guy that ruined the ME3 trilogy for 90% of the playerbase in the end.
You can love or hate whoever you wish, but you can not change the facts.
Unit-Alpha wrote...
It started when I debunked a claim that Tali was the most popular "straight female character" by a large margin. Not really part of the OP.
Shallyah wrote...
Debunking something means being right about it. You merely spurted random fabricated half truths.
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
Arlionis wrote...
For a second time, it's not an issue of having or not having her. She's worm food in my universe, yet the development resources wasted on her could have been used on a more deserving characeter like Jack, Miranda, Samara, etc.
To be honest, I prefer Liara over Tali by light years. Tali is perhaps one of the blandest characters ever created by BioWare, and I love BW, but they really dropped the ball with the "daddy issues" girl. In three games she evolved and progressed lees than Jack, Miranda or Samara in just one game. Talk about underachievement.
Unfortunately, that is your opinion, and it is as valid or worthless as anyone's else.
The polls show that Tali is the most liked straight female character of the Mass Effect Universe with a devastating margin over the next.
Liara is the most liked by the writer. Yes, the one that wrote ME3's ending.
Firstly, using "straight female character" is a poor way to spin a poll. Very Fox News-esque.
Secondly, outside the BSN, Liara was ME1's top romance, Miranda was ME2's, and I'm not sure about ME3.
Finally, that last statement is a blatant fabrication. Liara was written by Drew in the first two games (I believe) and a female writer in ME3. So let's not lie. The endings were written by neither.
Being straight is a crucial defining factor. Having the possibility of being romanced by both male and female characters vastly widens the possibilities of that NPC to be romanced, moreso when approximately 82% of ME players are male, and almost half of them choose to play female, with the idea of developping a lesbian relationship. Which Tali does not allow for.
In addition, Tali was not romanceable in ME1. It was because of massive popular demand that she became so in ME2.
Even then, In the last poll I saw Garrus was favored as a LI, with Liara and Tali tied behind, both Garrus and Tali overcoming the "straight" drawback.
Finally, it is not a blatant fabrication. Drew had Liara in ME1, and removed her from ME2, which he co-wrote already with Mac Walters. It was Mac Walters who reintroduced her in LotSB. Then in ME3, now totally under the catastrophic control of Mac Walters, Liara was given 4x airtime, development and story weight than any other character, by the same guy that ruined the ME3 trilogy for 90% of the playerbase in the end.
You can love or hate whoever you wish, but you can not change the facts.
Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 17 mai 2012 - 01:19 .
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
I don't see what whoever the most-frequently-romanced character is has to do with anything. If anything, it goes against this thread, as I'm fairly sure Jack is the least-romanced female squadmate.
It started when I debunked a claim that Tali was the most popular "straight female character" by a large margin. Not really part of the OP.
Debunking something means being right about it. You merely spurted random fabricated half truths.
Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 17 mai 2012 - 01:22 .
Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 17 mai 2012 - 01:25 .
Gen Petitt wrote...
Can't we all just agree to disagree and end this thread?
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Also, if you believe Bioware polls as an accurate representation of the mainstream, then Garrus would be the most popular romance in the series by everyone, which is laughable at best. Right, with 10% of people playing Femshep (or whatever the number is).
Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
That statement about changing the ending because of the leak is blatantly false; I've read the script leak and it haf the sane ending, just in a much more vague form.
Modifié par Arlionis, 17 mai 2012 - 01:28 .
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Unit-Alpha wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
I don't see what whoever the most-frequently-romanced character is has to do with anything. If anything, it goes against this thread, as I'm fairly sure Jack is the least-romanced female squadmate.
It started when I debunked a claim that Tali was the most popular "straight female character" by a large margin. Not really part of the OP.
Debunking something means being right about it. You merely spurted random fabricated half truths.
Hah, believe what you want, I don't care. I remember the data.
Also, you literally said in your other post that Liara and Garrus were more/equally as popular... so what are you trying to say?
G Kevin wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Also, if you believe Bioware polls as an accurate representation of the mainstream, then Garrus would be the most popular romance in the series by everyone, which is laughable at best. Right, with 10% of people playing Femshep (or whatever the number is).
In response to the polls. I would assume it's the only way Bioware can reliably get an opinion on they players. They have to register to vote I believe (not sure abou that). Also, Bioware has access to the player data from ME 2 if you were connected to the internet sometime after romances. I am pretty sure they figured out what was going on from that.
Shallyah wrote...
And I'm bored of Liara. If you don't like Tali, you can get her killed in ME2. There, problem solved. Even if you don't, by the time you get Tali in ME3 it's like 3 missions to finish the game and you're only forced to bring her in one. Big deal.
Can't say the same of Liara, who just keeps nagging and clinging to you no matter where you hide or how plainly you tell her that you're not interested in the most childish, feeble and ugliest asari of the galaxy.
Sure, would be awesome if Jack got more stuff, since Jack is actually an interesting character, and so are Miranda, Ashley, etc. But the screen time needs to be taken from the worthless blue b*tch, and not Tali, Garrus, or anyone else that are actually interesting beyond the size of their bra.
Arlionis wrote...
I'm replaying ME3, and something I noticed is that Jack, unlike any other ME2 squad member, was fully redesigned (with magnetic weapons holsters and everything). It's obvious BioWare seriously considered to make her a full time squad member in ME3, yet, for some "mysterious" reason, that didn't happen. Then I remembered how one of the writers (Weekes I think) said during PAX that at first Tali wasn't even supposed to be a full squad member in ME3, and I started to wonder if they ditched Jack in order to save/create the resources and assets to include Tali (yet again).
It's time to let Tali go and let other characters have some development, to be honest I'm bored of Tali, not only I find her dull, but she's also already been included in three games and, worst yet, I'm convinced Jack was sacrificed in order to include Tali in ME3.
At least I'm hoping that during the EC they do justice for Jack (and the ME2 squad).
Modifié par Scalabrine, 17 mai 2012 - 01:32 .
Unit-Alpha wrote...
G Kevin wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Also, if you believe Bioware polls as an accurate representation of the mainstream, then Garrus would be the most popular romance in the series by everyone, which is laughable at best. Right, with 10% of people playing Femshep (or whatever the number is).
In response to the polls. I would assume it's the only way Bioware can reliably get an opinion on they players. They have to register to vote I believe (not sure abou that). Also, Bioware has access to the player data from ME 2 if you were connected to the internet sometime after romances. I am pretty sure they figured out what was going on from that.
The player data is the key for ME2 onward. ME1 didn't have this option (as far as I know/remember), that's why they turned to the forums to make the decision about making Tali romanceable.
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
I don't see what whoever the most-frequently-romanced character is has to do with anything. If anything, it goes against this thread, as I'm fairly sure Jack is the least-romanced female squadmate.
It started when I debunked a claim that Tali was the most popular "straight female character" by a large margin. Not really part of the OP.
Debunking something means being right about it. You merely spurted random fabricated half truths.
Hah, believe what you want, I don't care. I remember the data.
Also, you literally said in your other post that Liara and Garrus were more/equally as popular... so what are you trying to say?
I never said they were more popular. I'm glad they are not, considering the general audience of a game like Mass Effect. You only have to take a general look at the threads, this one included.
From the first post I said that Tali is the most liked "female straight character". That signifying that she does not have enough trascendence in ME3 as it is, let alone wanting to take more from her.
In the other hand, I agreed that Jack and Ashley particularly could use more air time in ME3, but to achieve that, either they just add stuff, or take it from the only character that gets too much as it is - Liara.
That is my opinion, and I'm not moving from it.
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
I don't see what whoever the most-frequently-romanced character is has to do with anything. If anything, it goes against this thread, as I'm fairly sure Jack is the least-romanced female squadmate.
It started when I debunked a claim that Tali was the most popular "straight female character" by a large margin. Not really part of the OP.
Debunking something means being right about it. You merely spurted random fabricated half truths.
Hah, believe what you want, I don't care. I remember the data.
Also, you literally said in your other post that Liara and Garrus were more/equally as popular... so what are you trying to say?
I never said they were more popular. I'm glad they are not, considering the general audience of a game like Mass Effect. You only have to take a general look at the threads, this one included.
From the first post I said that Tali is the most liked "female straight character". That signifying that she does not have enough trascendence in ME3 as it is, let alone wanting to take more from her.
In the other hand, I agreed that Jack and Ashley particularly could use more air time in ME3, but to achieve that, either they just add stuff, or take it from the only character that gets too much as it is - Liara.
That is my opinion, and I'm not moving from it.
Scalabrine wrote...
Arlionis wrote...
I'm replaying ME3, and something I noticed is that Jack, unlike any other ME2 squad member, was fully redesigned (with magnetic weapons holsters and everything). It's obvious BioWare seriously considered to make her a full time squad member in ME3, yet, for some "mysterious" reason, that didn't happen. Then I remembered how one of the writers (Weekes I think) said during PAX that at first Tali wasn't even supposed to be a full squad member in ME3, and I started to wonder if they ditched Jack in order to save/create the resources and assets to include Tali (yet again).
It's time to let Tali go and let other characters have some development, to be honest I'm bored of Tali, not only I find her dull, but she's also already been included in three games and, worst yet, I'm convinced Jack was sacrificed in order to include Tali in ME3.
At least I'm hoping that during the EC they do justice for Jack (and the ME2 squad).
Use your brain...
Jack jad to be redesigned cause she was gonna work at the school. You can't teach kids while topless she had to be overhauled. That doesn't mean she was going to be a squadmember
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Or we could, I don't know, just add more onto the game and not have to remove anything. What a novel idea.
Or just cut Allers.
DevilBeast wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
And I'm bored of Liara. If you don't like Tali, you can get her killed in ME2. There, problem solved. Even if you don't, by the time you get Tali in ME3 it's like 3 missions to finish the game and you're only forced to bring her in one. Big deal.
Can't say the same of Liara, who just keeps nagging and clinging to you no matter where you hide or how plainly you tell her that you're not interested in the most childish, feeble and ugliest asari of the galaxy.
Sure, would be awesome if Jack got more stuff, since Jack is actually an interesting character, and so are Miranda, Ashley, etc. But the screen time needs to be taken from the worthless blue b*tch, and not Tali, Garrus, or anyone else that are actually interesting beyond the size of their bra.
Well, at least you can revel in the fact that in ME2, which by far is the most fleshed out game of the three, you barely even have to speak to Liara for more than 10 minutes... Even shorter if you skip the conversation.
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