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[HellbirdIV]

Replacing one squad member with another is pointless, because either way you lose out on one of the great characters. I say, just have all the ME2 and ME1 squadmates return and add some new ones. They don't need unique loyalty missions like in ME2 after all, they should just be around on the ship IMO.

We can get rid of Vega though. I don't think anyone felt he was necessary...

[Arlionis]

Iwillbeback wrote...
She was not shoved onto you.

- In ME1 you have no choice, you're forced to have her. 
- In ME2 if you don't have her you miss a critical ship upgrade and another character dies, ergo, you're indirectly forced to have her. 
- In ME3 you get her even auto-selected during two missions. 

Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. (and I'm talkingabout the EC, future DLC, etc). 

Modifié par Arlionis, 15 mai 2012 - 07:59 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Gterror2 wrote...

Weird thing tho, really liked Tali in ME1 and ME2, but in ME3 i find her dull, no offense.

She doesn't have much to her in ME3. They didn't devote much to her character beyond Rannoch missions. You get like one full conversation with her after Rannoch and then the love scene. Everything else is limited.

Still better than what Thane and Ash/Kaidan got but not by all that much.

[GuardianAngel470]

Arlionis wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...
She was not shoved onto you.

- In ME1 you have no choice, you're forced to have her. 
- In ME2 if you don't have her you miss a critical ship upgrade and another character dies, ergo, you're indirectly forced to have her. 
- In ME3 you get her even auto-selected during two missions. 

Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. 

Says the Liara fan. You're quite bitter aren't you?

[mauro2222]

That's Shiala...

[andysdead]

Tali = best romance arc, IMO.

[Geomon19]

Yeah let's not ditch meat head Vega or the useless VS. No let's get rid of Tali, one of the better written characters and easily the best tech on the team.

[Edolix]

Arlionis wrote...
Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. 

What about Garrus? And Liara? Because following your logic, they're "wasting resources" as much as Tali is.

[Arlionis]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...
She was not shoved onto you.

- In ME1 you have no choice, you're forced to have her. 
- In ME2 if you don't have her you miss a critical ship upgrade and another character dies, ergo, you're indirectly forced to have her. 
- In ME3 you get her even auto-selected during two missions. 

Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. 

Says the Liara fan. You're quite bitter aren't you?

Yes, I'm bitter Jack was reduced to a glorified cameo, Samara had just five lines of interactive dialog, Thane dies horribly, Miranda doesn't join you, etc. yet a character that was already overused to no end keeps getting shoved onto the game. 

[Barquiel]

Arlionis wrote...

Yep, that's called character progression, Jack progressed, Tali was shoved into my face during the last three games and she did not progress even an inch, in ME3 she was still the "genius engineer" and now "precocious admiral" Mary Sue character she was from the very beginning. 

I thought Tali matured a bit in ME2. Unfortunately, she has forgotten everything in ME3 (especially in a love triangle scenario).

[Baa Baa]

andysdead wrote...

Tali = best romance arc, IMO.

THIS

[Arlionis]

Edolix wrote...

Arlionis wrote...
Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. 

What about Garrus? And Liara? Because following your logic, they're "wasting resources" as much as Tali is.

Guess what, they also were overused, but at least they're interesting and add to the story. With that said, I wouldn't mind if they get less content during the EC in favour of the ME2 cast. 

The ME2 cast deserves justice. 

[Noelemahc]

We can get rid of Vega though. I don't think anyone felt he was necessary...

I did. He provides a human perspective on everything Shepard's doing, because the VS is too busy angsting over Shepard and Shepard isn't entirely human anymore.

Plus, although this needs precarious timing, his crush on Ash is cute. His bizarre flirting with FemShep is cute, although I really wish it was optional, not autodialogue. His nicknamer status is sorely underused, though.

- In ME2 if you don't have her you miss a critical ship upgrade and another character dies, ergo, you're indirectly forced to have her.
- In ME3 you get her even auto-selected during two missions.

Get the upgrade, don't use her, kill her in the SM, enjoy Daro'Xen's company on the dreadnaught and Shala'Raan's in the Geth Reaper Base. Better?

She doesn't have much to her in ME3. They didn't devote much to her character beyond Rannoch missions. You get like one full conversation with her after Rannoch and then the love scene.

If you didn't romance her -- the monologue when she's drunk and the dialogue or monologue with Garrus. That last one comes as a surprise (happens if she survived the SM and he didn't).

If you did -- add to that the heart-wrenching "I want more time", the totally insane "You are real. Real... and mine" and the aforementioned "My father would have HATED you".

Sure, she doesn't have much dialogue on the Normandy with you, but that's a problem with every squadmate in ME3.

Yeah let's not ditch meat head Vega or the useless VS. No let's get rid of Tali, one of the better written characters and easily the best tech on the team.

A fact totally unused by the ME3 scriptwriters, sadly.

Says the Liara fan. You're quite bitter aren't you?

That's Shiala...

Speaking of Shiala, did anyone regret she didn't get to be a squadmate? After ME2 went through the trouble of her coming onto Shepard, she is reduced to a single letter in ME3 and that's that. You don't even know if she got anywhere after leaving Feros. And goddamit, I got a Shepard that wanted to plow some green asari ass!

, Samara had just five lines of interactive dialog,

Hindsight moment: on one of those "failed promises" thread, someone dug up an age-old Mac Walters quote saying that the Samara "romance" option (remember how in ME2 she says all the things she'd do with you if she was younger?) would be explored and brought to a conclusion in ME3. I feel betrayed. She was awesome.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 15 mai 2012 - 08:09 .

[Iwillbeback]

Arlionis wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...
She was not shoved onto you.

- In ME1 you have no choice, you're forced to have her. 
- In ME2 if you don't have her you miss a critical ship upgrade and another character dies, ergo, you're indirectly forced to have her. 
- In ME3 you get her even auto-selected during two missions. 

Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. (and I'm talkingabout the EC, future DLC, etc). 

Contrary to popular belief her and her peoples got very limited resources handed to them.
Also  who dies if you don't get Tali's upgrade?

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 15 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[shepskisaac]

Edolix wrote...

Arlionis wrote...
Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. 

What about Garrus? And Liara? Because following your logic, they're "wasting resources" as much as Tali is.

Both Garrus & Tali shouldn't have been squadmates again. Liara wasn't a squadmate in ME2 (only in LOTSB) so I don't think she shouldn't be a squadmate in ME3, but the amount of content she recieved in ME3 exceeds everyone else

[FodoSatoru]

I prefer adorkable tech specialists to tatoo-covered, profanities-spewing, tough-posturing broken birds.

[GuardianAngel470]

Baa Baa wrote...

andysdead wrote...

Tali = best romance arc, IMO.

THIS

I'd argue Garrus' arc is better, and I haven't romanced him once. There was so much more drama and the friendship was so much more authentic.

[Unholyknight800]

Iwillbeback wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...
She was not shoved onto you.

- In ME1 you have no choice, you're forced to have her. 
- In ME2 if you don't have her you miss a critical ship upgrade and another character dies, ergo, you're indirectly forced to have her. 
- In ME3 you get her even auto-selected during two missions. 

Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. (and I'm talkingabout the EC, future DLC, etc). 

Contrary to belief her and her peoples got very limited resources handed to them.
Also  who dies if you don't get Tali's upgrade?

Kasumi, Legion, and Thane are usually the ones that have a chance of dying.

Modifié par Unholyknight800, 15 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[Arlionis]

@Noelemahc, why would I actively seek to kill someone? I'd feel bad even if I don't like the character, thus I'm still being forced to stick around with said the character.

[GuardianAngel470]

Iwillbeback wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...
She was not shoved onto you.

- In ME1 you have no choice, you're forced to have her. 
- In ME2 if you don't have her you miss a critical ship upgrade and another character dies, ergo, you're indirectly forced to have her. 
- In ME3 you get her even auto-selected during two missions. 

Besides, the main point is that she was already in three games and now it's time for other characters to get some development instead of keep wasting resources on her. (and I'm talkingabout the EC, future DLC, etc). 

Contrary to popular belief her and her peoples got very limited resources handed to them.
Also  who dies if you don't get Tali's upgrade?

It depends. There are many factors that come into play to determine that person including who you've recruited, who you've got loyal, who has already died, and who you took with you to the cargo bay.

[J0HNL3I]

Wulfram wrote...

Well, she's not there for all that much of the game.

thank god, didn't even try to save her when she jumped off that cliff (on my renagade save)

[Noelemahc]

I prefer adorkable tech specialists to tatoo-covered, profanities-spewing, tough-posturing broken birds.

There's a reason said broken bird stops spewing in ME3. She's getting unbroken.

I'd argue Garrus' arc is better, and I haven't romanced him once. There was so much more drama and the friendship was so much more authentic.

Word. Haven't finished my Garrusmancer playthrough, but the mere dialogue where FemShep friendzones him (she went for him as Liara was unavailable in ME2, then came crawling back to her in LotSB when it came out) deserves an Oscar, no less, for Brandon Keener. I wish I had that much backbone to handle myself that way whenever I had been friendzoned.

@Noelemahc, why would I actively seek to kill someone? I'd feel bad even if I don't like the character, thus I'm still being forced to stick around with said the character.

Dammit, sorry, I thought you were one of those bad people. You don't have to interact with her if you don't want to, or you could just accept her as the sad anorak that she is. Because of how crudely her same-sex content was cut, she acts like some weird stalker towards FemShep if you're friendly with her, certainly a sign she's so deep in the closet, Narnia called to ask Shepard to pay for room and board.
I had no issues with her whatsoever... then again, I wanted her to be romanceable halfway through my first ME1 playthrough, so my word isn't worth much in the matter.

[Eain]

Edolix wrote...

The vast majority of players like Tali. Which is why she's a squaddie in ME3.

That's the simple truth of it.

People seem to like the blandest characters. Garrus and Tali are fan favourites and they bore me to tears. Tali more than Garrus I have to admit.

My ideal ME squadmate team:

- Zaeed
- Legion
- Jack
- Wrex
- Thane
- James
- Javik

Awww yeee.

Modifié par Eain, 15 mai 2012 - 08:18 .

[mauro2222]

Noelemahc wrote...

We can get rid of Vega though. I don't think anyone felt he was necessary...

I did. He provides a human perspective on everything Shepard's doing, because the VS is too busy angsting over Shepard and Shepard isn't entirely human anymore.

Plus, although this needs precarious timing, his crush on Ash is cute.

 

Wut? Did I miss something?

Noelemahc wrote...

Says the Liara fan. You're quite bitter aren't you?

That's Shiala...

Speaking of Shiala, did anyone regret she didn't get to be a squadmate? After ME2 went through the trouble of her coming onto Shepard, she is reduced to a single letter in ME3 and that's that. You don't even know if she got anywhere after leaving Feros. And goddamit, I got a Shepard that wanted to plow some green asari ass!

 

Where's my green asari? I want my green asari commando with a sexy "I'm gonna kill you" smile!

Noelemahc wrote...

, Samara had just five lines of interactive dialog,

Hindsight moment: on one of those "failed promises" thread, someone dug up an age-old Mac Walters quote saying that the Samara "romance" option (remember how in ME2 she says all the things she'd do with you if she was younger?) would be explored and brought to a conclusion in ME3. I feel betrayed. She was awesome.

I have to admit that I liked a lot the conversations with her, she's a very interesting character and a powerful warrior.