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[Johcande XX]

I'm gonna take this thread to the next level.

I'd prefer to keep Tali, add Jack, and . . . drop Liara. Dun Dun Dunh!!

[andysdead]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

andysdead wrote...

Tali = best romance arc, IMO.

THIS

I'd argue Garrus' arc is better, and I haven't romanced him once. There was so much more drama and the friendship was so much more authentic.

I tried to romance Garrus once in a ME2 playthrough and all I got was "Can it wait, I'm in the middle of some calibrations."

I eventually gave up and hooked up with Kelly lol.

[Noelemahc]

Wut? Did I miss something?

Go talk to him in the mess after you talk to her drunk. He gave her that bottle with a specific purpose.

Where's my green asari? I want my green asari commando with a sexy "I'm gonna kill you" smile!

Signed.

I have to admit that I liked a lot the conversations with her, she's a very interesting character and a powerful warrior.

Again, with a very sad life. She needs a hug. And I promise not to cop a feel. Too much.

In fact, come to think about it, the closest one to have a decent, happy life, of all the ME crew members, ever, is Joker, until he learns of Tiptree. Yes, the game's universe is that frelled up that the most justifiably cheerful person is a severely ill cripple, and then it takes his one hope spot and beats him up with it. And you aren't even given a choice to tell him the truth if you know it, or at least share his pain if you don't.

[Unschuld]

They should stop wasting resources on Shepard, you're forced to have him on your squad in every single ME3 mission.

I'll put my distaste for Jack to the side for a moment, and just objectively state that keeping Tali as a perma-squaddie was the logical choice. Like it or not she, Garrus and Liara are the biggest fan favorites, and not just on BSN. Bioware knows this, so those three (and the VS) are going to have most of the limelight. Even for being a permanent addition to the ME3 squad, Tali still comes in very late in the game, making her role much smaller than the previous titles.

While it's a bit sad that the ME2 squaddies didn't get as much attention, the hard facts are that it all comes down to weighing resources and fan popularity. Maybe they'll make a DLC for them.

Dullness? That's subjective I suppose, since I found her character development through the series pretty interesting. Miranda being the most chosen LI shouldn't even be an arguing point though. Obviously she's blatant fanservice/manbait, so of course she's going to get ogled by a large number of players.

[Gexora]

Noelemahc wrote...

I feel like she's basically the same person as she was between all three games, when there could have been an opportunity for her to "mature" in a way similar to Jack in ME3. In the end, I feel like they just didn't do anything with her.

There is progress in ME2. She desperately wants to be a better person, but she doesn't have the guts for it. Her first command (on Freedom's Progress) ends with her squad disobeying her orders and dying. Second command? Haestrom. You know as well as I do how that one ends.

She lives in constant pressure from her father's position - she hates him not only for that but, as of ME2, for his experiments and what they did to her internal morality compass. She vents that frustration onto Shepard if you expose her father, remember? "You couldn't understand... human." Or, if you romanced her, when she gets drunk in ME3. "My father would have HATED you."

Sure, she's one of ME's gazillions of father-issues-provide-personal-backstory characters, but most of them have a unique spin because of who the father was.

As for her uselessness as an Admiral, it all boils down to her uncertainty of herself. Being on Shepard's crew hasn't taught her life lessons like it did Garrus (who becomes Turian Shepard whenever he's off the Normandy - either as Archangel or as Special Consultant Vakarian, Reaper Killer Extraordinaire), it only taught her to depend on Shepard to provide the decisions. It's a bit sad, but that's what she is, and that's what makes it a great story - it's believable, because I've known real people who were like that. Sure, she's kind, caring, totally insane about Shepard (seriously, if you're in a love triangle that involves her or take her to Cronos Station, she turns on "clingy jealous" mode very suddenly sometimes; about the only person she doesn't fight is Kaidan, because she can't compete with that, mwahaha), but she's also a bit pathetic in the fact that she genuinely doesn't know what to do with her life.

That said, I still love her. Sure, she's flawed and a bit frelled in the head, but so is everyone else who ever set foot on the Normandy. Vega is, for now, the sanest squad member we've ever had. Jacob used to be there too, until "horny male" set into his brain. It's actually funny how the "sanest squad member" gets de-sane-itized in the sequels. Kaidan, who fulfilled the role for ME1, is crazy about Shepard of EITHER gender in ME3 in a slightly stalkerish way.

I don't even care much for Tali, but that analysis made me want to worship you.

[FodoSatoru]

Noelemahc wrote...

I prefer adorkable tech specialists to tatoo-covered, profanities-spewing, tough-posturing broken birds.

There's a reason said broken bird stops spewing in ME3. She's getting unbroken.

It's really too late for me to start caring. The one thing that is supposed to be compelling about her in ME3 is that she starts to socialize in a normal, healthy way. It's just not moving, in my case. I wasn't interested in the first place. I don't like chaotic, purposeless character types as well as stories about lost, traumatized kids who just want to have friends/family.

[Ashtarth1]

 Dude talis part of the original six, she's not goin anywhere (we already lost one!)

I never feel like the Normandy's engines are running just right without Tali on board.

[Arlionis]

Ashtarth1 wrote...

 Dude talis part of the original six, she's not goin anywhere (we already lost one!)

I never feel like the Normandy's engines are running just right without Tali on board.

Sad then that she isn't as interesting as most of the ME2 people, and I'm not saying all just because Morinth is a monster. 

[mauro2222]

Noelemahc wrote...

Wut? Did I miss something?

Go talk to him in the mess after you talk to her drunk. He gave her that bottle with a specific purpose.

 

Haha, oh Mr. Vega...

Noelemahc wrote...

I have to admit that I liked a lot the conversations with her, she's a very interesting character and a powerful warrior.

Again, with a very sad life. She needs a hug. And I promise not to cop a feel. Too much.

In fact, come to think about it, the closest one to have a decent, happy life, of all the ME crew members, ever, is Joker, until he learns of Tiptree. Yes, the game's universe is that frelled up that the most justifiably cheerful person is a severely ill cripple, and then it takes his one hope spot and beats him up with it. And you aren't even given a choice to tell him the truth if you know it, or at least share his pain if you don't.

And what about Garrus' mother? there is no mention of her faith, was she cured? or is she dead?

[Noelemahc]

. I don't like chaotic, purposeless character types as well as stories about lost, traumatized kids who just want to have friends/family.

She doesn't. Want a family. You misunderstand her willingness to kill for these kids' safety. She wants them to a have a future she did not. She wants them spared of the horrors she went through as a kid.
"Do you see these scars, Rodriguez? Cerberus gave them to me when I was half your age!"

Even so, I cede that this is too little, too late. But the trick is that real people don't move on even that fast. I once helped a friend get out of similar trauma (though not as extensive as Jack's) and it took her almost a year to stop flinching whenever a guy touched her bare skin. Sure, holding up a pretence of being capable of social interaction is easy. Being able to handle it with all of its ups and downs and random human contact can be torture to someone who's recovering from abuse-induced psychological damage.

Miranda being the most chosen LI shouldn't even be an arguing point though. Obviously she's blatant fanservice/manbait, so of course she's going to get ogled by a large number of players.

The sad bit is that the best-written part of Miranda in ME3 is her death if you romanced her. Her nightmare lines can bring tears to your eyes even outside the game. Compared to that, the rest of her ME3 treatment feels a tad incomplete.

They should stop wasting resources on Shepard, you're forced to have him on your squad in every single ME3 mission.

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I don't even care much for Tali, but that analysis made me want to worship you.

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[Ashtarth1]

Arlionis wrote...

Ashtarth1 wrote...

 Dude talis part of the original six, she's not goin anywhere (we already lost one!)

I never feel like the Normandy's engines are running just right without Tali on board.

Sad then that she isn't as interesting as most of the ME2 people, and I'm not saying all just because Morinth is a monster. 

She used to just be an encyclopedia on quarians >.>

I knew she was gonna be an admiral since I knew her dad was one

[Arlionis]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

I prefer adorkable tech specialists to tatoo-covered, profanities-spewing, tough-posturing broken birds.

There's a reason said broken bird stops spewing in ME3. She's getting unbroken.

It's really too late for me to start caring. The one thing that is supposed to be compelling about her in ME3 is that she starts to socialize in a normal, healthy way. It's just not moving, in my case. I wasn't interested in the first place. I don't like chaotic, purposeless character types as well as stories about lost, traumatized kids who just want to have friends/family.

You're bashing Jack as a "traumatized kid" and using that to defend Tali when Tali is practically the personification of daddy issues herself!. That's why she throws herself at Shepard even if he's abusive to her and if he refuses her advances she ends up throwing herself at Garrus, the ship's second "strong man" paternal figure. 

[lordofdogtown19]

Jack>Tali? I respectfully disagree with your premise

Modifié par lordofdogtown19, 15 mai 2012 - 08:38 .

[Iwillbeback]

Ashtarth1 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Ashtarth1 wrote...

 Dude talis part of the original six, she's not goin anywhere (we already lost one!)

I never feel like the Normandy's engines are running just right without Tali on board.

Sad then that she isn't as interesting as most of the ME2 people, and I'm not saying all just because Morinth is a monster. 

She used to just be an encyclopedia on quarians >.>

I knew she was gonna be an admiral since I knew her dad was one

I knew she was going to be one since the time she told shepard she didn't know who would replace her father but some people said that she should.

[Dartbeast54q]

Johcande XX wrote...

I'm gonna take this thread to the next level.

I'd prefer to keep Tali, add Jack, and . . . drop Liara. Dun Dun Dunh!!

As I just have apathy for Jack but hate Liara, this would be a GREAT idea

And I agree that the me2 squadmates deserved more then 5 minute cameos but it is what it is.

[Baa Baa]

Johcande XX wrote...

I'm gonna take this thread to the next level.

I'd prefer to keep Tali, add Jack, and . . . drop Liara. Dun Dun Dunh!!

Or at least the option to get her killed. I'd do it just so she'd stop ****ing stalking me. And I like Liara! She just is creepy in ME3 and I always feel like I need to remind her that I'm with Tali.

[incinerator950]

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

[Taboo]

incinerator950 wrote...

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

[Noelemahc]

And what about Garrus' mother? there is no mention of her faith, was she cured? or is she dead?

Never mentioned, although when he says that his father and his sister were getting evacuated (and eventually get out fine), the implication is that even if her sickness didn't kill her, the Reaper invasion did.

And I like Liara! She just is creepy in ME3 and I always feel like I need to remind her that I'm with Tali.

The crazy part is that even if you were with her in ME1 and LotSB, you have to keep convincing her to unfriendzone you and it takes a sickeningly long time.

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

I think I already mentioned how awesome you are today, didn't I? Because you still are.

Zaeed should've been an LI for FemShep. I know he only cares about Jessie, but holy hell, that man has balls of steel. Also, his ME3 death was among those that made me cry, and the gorram stubborn bastard deserved every one of those tears.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 15 mai 2012 - 08:48 .

[incinerator950]

The only reason I keep the VS around is because they've improved Kaidan. Ashley is...well, its Ashley, and I've never cared for her even in ME 1. It's also another character. If I had the choice to not let Tali on even with Geth/Quarian Peace, I might actually go for it.

[FodoSatoru]

incinerator950 wrote...

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

What is so compelling about Zaeed that you want him back? He was one callous, self-serving as**ole.

[Titus Thongger]

to be fair I think Jack should have been a squad mate as well, maybe a vanguard type character because if Kaidan died in your ME1 playthrough, then Liara is the only biotic in your squad (excluding DAY ONE DLC ON DISK JAVIK). Heck, just give me any of the ME2 cast instead of Vega

[incinerator950]

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

What is so compelling about Zaeed that you want him back? He was one callous, self-serving as**ole.

He's like Javik, you need to coax him, you need to prove your Command material outside of joint interests or pay.  It didn't seem like it to a lot of people, but like Joker said, Zaeed is a lot like Shepard. 

Like Javik, he doesn't take Shepard's ****, and his mission was one of the more unique Loyalty quests, where you can agree with him, as its his mission, or you can follow the Contract, and even kill Zaeed.  If you are actually worth your Morality and Command, you can also convince him that you're correct at the end to keep his Loyalty. 

[An English Gamer]

I would have been more miffed if Tali had gone and had Jack or any ME2 squad as her replacement.... As should be obvious <.<
I played as a soldier in ME1 so I had her and Liara the whole time. Add on the fact she is a fantastic character of the most intruiging species in the game and canon LI status for me. <3

Modifié par An English Gamer, 15 mai 2012 - 08:54 .