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[SirRaven10]

However, Javik adds deep background and lore to the game by having him aboard. Zaeed, not so much.

As for Tali vs Jack. If one had to be sacrificed, it had to be Jack unfortunately. Simply for the sake of class mechanics. Jack is another Biotic like Liara, whereas, Tali is an Engineer.

[incinerator950]

She was below Garrus and Liara in ME 1.

[FodoSatoru]

incinerator950 wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

What is so compelling about Zaeed that you want him back? He was one callous, self-serving as**ole.

He's like Javik, you need to coax him, you need to prove your Command material outside of joint interests or pay.  It didn't seem like it to a lot of people, but like Joker said, Zaeed is a lot like Shepard. 

Like Javik, he doesn't take Shepard's ****, and his mission was one of the more unique Loyalty quests, where you can agree with him, as its his mission, or you can follow the Contract, and even kill Zaeed.  If you are actually worth your Morality and Command, you can also convince him that you're correct at the end to keep his Loyalty. 

But unlike Javik and Shepard, he has no greater purpose.

[Noelemahc]

Like Javik, he doesn't take Shepard's ****, and his mission was one of the more unique Loyalty quests, where you can agree with him, as its his mission, or you can follow the Contract, and even kill Zaeed. If you are actually worth your Morality and Command, you can also convince him that you're correct at the end to keep his Loyalty.

Yeah, of all the Loyalty missions, his was about the branchiest, because it actually made you play through two different level layouts depending on whether you wanted to Para or Rene it, and the ending changed as well. He's also shaped by all those neat little touches, like the trophies he collects, or the fact that he was ousted as leader of the Blue Suns specifically because he's crap at being a leader (which he proves yet again in ME3), etc, etc.

He's a believable person, just like everyone else in ME2. He grows on you... or maybe you grow to hate him instead. It might be another of them beholder things.

Ashley is...well, its Ashley, and I've never cared for her even in ME 1.

The problem is, too much of her stuff got restricted to when you romance her, as once she gets onboard, unless you visited the crap out of her in the hospital, you might even miss out on the Memorial Wall scene, bringing her presence in the story to a very bare minimum. Plus then there's that cut dialogue about life after death which would'a been awesome to have... and which we don't get.

However, Javik adds deep background and lore to the game by having him aboard. Zaeed, not so much.

That depends. I kinda liked his war stories. Javik's war stories are better only in the fact that they are directly related to the plot at hand - and he's in a better position, because he already fought Reapers in the past. In all other respects, he's a clear replacement for Zaeed, just as Vega is for Grunt.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 15 mai 2012 - 08:58 .

[incinerator950]

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

What is so compelling about Zaeed that you want him back? He was one callous, self-serving as**ole.

He's like Javik, you need to coax him, you need to prove your Command material outside of joint interests or pay.  It didn't seem like it to a lot of people, but like Joker said, Zaeed is a lot like Shepard. 

Like Javik, he doesn't take Shepard's ****, and his mission was one of the more unique Loyalty quests, where you can agree with him, as its his mission, or you can follow the Contract, and even kill Zaeed.  If you are actually worth your Morality and Command, you can also convince him that you're correct at the end to keep his Loyalty. 

But unlike Javik and Shepard, he has no greater purpose.

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out.  Now he's just a recycled novelty character. 

[Noelemahc]

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out. Now he's just a recycled novelty character.

Outside of Shepard and Liara, who of the ME3 squadmates actually HAS a greater purpose?

[Arlionis]

incinerator950 wrote...

I would ritualistically sacrifice the VS and Tali to get Miranda and Zaeed back. Hell, I'd ditch Liara and EDI back to support roles for Samara.

Only if the VS is Ashley, Kaidan redeemed himself in ME3. But yeah, I take Zaeed/Miranda over Tali any day. 

[FodoSatoru]

incinerator950 wrote...

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out.  Now he's just a recycled novelty character. 

I mean the greater purpose in his life. Shepard has his mission. Javik has vengeance.

[incinerator950]

Noelemahc wrote...

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out. Now he's just a recycled novelty character.

Outside of Shepard and Liara, who of the ME3 squadmates actually HAS a greater purpose?

None of them.  EDI and Garrus have one mission each where they have significance, and Tali has two because she's forced to help you.  Hell, Xen made a better character contribution then Tali for the short time you could use her.

[Arlionis]

Noelemahc wrote...

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out. Now he's just a recycled novelty character.

Outside of Shepard and Liara, who of the ME3 squadmates actually HAS a greater purpose?

EDI, she's the ship; Garrus, he's your second in command. I'm sad James didn't become your "apprentice", he wasn't bad, in fact I was surprised about ending up liking him, but he should have been the "Hey, if Shep kicks the bucket maybe that guy James can finally take the lead and continue with Shepard's mission". 

[incinerator950]

Arlionis wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out. Now he's just a recycled novelty character.

Outside of Shepard and Liara, who of the ME3 squadmates actually HAS a greater purpose?

EDI, she's the ship; Garrus, he's your second in command. I'm sad James didn't become your "apprentice", he wasn't bad, in fact I was surprised about ending up liking him, but he should have been the "Hey, if Shep kicks the bucket maybe that guy James can finally take the lead and continue with Shepard's mission". 

Garrus has no greater purpose other than pointing where the Primarch is.  Hence, when he's dead in playthroughs, you can do it without him.  EDI's greater purpose is a side character that is your operator, and she gets one mission to assist you on Cronos. 

James is there for a lot of reasons you can justify or argue, but point being, he doesn't do anything Liara or EDI haven't explained.  You can kill the VS or shoo them off, where they finally redeem themselves or just turn into another bit of stuff.

Shepard has the most purpose in this game, and outside of a few spots in the game, you could legitmately find reasons to argue you don't need to bring a squad, just like ME 2.

[Arlionis]

incinerator950 wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out. Now he's just a recycled novelty character.

Outside of Shepard and Liara, who of the ME3 squadmates actually HAS a greater purpose?

None of them.  EDI and Garrus have one mission each where they have significance, and Tali has two because she's forced to help you.  Hell, Xen made a better character contribution then Tali for the short time you could use her.

Well, that's a great point, not only was Xen a much more useful as a squad member (Xen has Overload, Cryo Blast, and Sticky Grenades and also she uses a Sniper Rifle and Shotguns) but she's also more interesting as a character. For example, both, Xen and Tali, are disturbingly racist, both of them hate the Geth to irrational levels, yet while Tali tries to hide it (and fails misserably at it, like when she gets angry because you call legion "him" instead of "it" in ME3) Xen doesn't even care, and she's way too honest about her hatred and motives to the point she convinced herself she has the moral highground. The way she laughs everytime she kills a prime is even scary. That adds a lot more depth to her character. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 15 mai 2012 - 09:12 .

[ReXspec]

social.bioware.com/1810293/polls/5439/

Miranda is popular, but this poll proves you wrong, OP.

Tali is queen.

This is out of 2000+ votes, I'd say that is a fair size user pool to base a demographic off of.

Modifié par ReXspec, 15 mai 2012 - 09:16 .

[Dantexr3]

Tali is the best squadmate in Mass Effect, followed by Garrus.

Get out of here.

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[Pekkan]

If we look at the list of ME3 squad mates, we can notice that there is not a single squad mate who was ME2 squad mate, and was not also ME1 squad mate.

So we don't have a single ME2, non-ME1 squad mate in ME3.

Also unlike Legion/Tali confrontation, which was usually at the end of the game when you had higher renegade/paragon level to handle it, getting Jack/Miranda confrontation early in the game, when you didn't have enough points to handle it, was relatively common. Jack was probably lost more often on the suicide mission than any other squad mate.

[Arlionis]

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/1810293/polls/5439/

Miranda is popular, but this poll proves you wrong, OP.

Tali is queen.

This is out of 2000+ votes, I'd say that is a fair size user pool to base a demographic off of.

A poll from 2010, in BSN... Miranda was the most romanced character as a whole. Seriously, she (her body at least) was designed to attrack the main gamer demography: horny young males. 

[comrade gando]

my opinion I couldn't get tired of tali. Not just talking about the character I mean the kind of person she is written as. exactly what I'm looking for in a girl.

[ReXspec]

Arlionis wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

No, Javik has no greater purpose now, they cut that out. Now he's just a recycled novelty character.

Outside of Shepard and Liara, who of the ME3 squadmates actually HAS a greater purpose?

None of them.  EDI and Garrus have one mission each where they have significance, and Tali has two because she's forced to help you.  Hell, Xen made a better character contribution then Tali for the short time you could use her.

Well, that's a great point, not only was Xen a much more useful as a squad member (Xen has Overload, Cryo Blast, and Sticky Grenades and also she uses a Sniper Rifle and Shotguns) but she's also more interesting as a character. For example, both, Xen and Tali, are disturbingly racist, both of them hate the Geth to irrational levels, yet while Tali tries to hide it (and fails misserably at it, like when she gets angry because you call legion "him" instead of "it" in ME3) Xen doesn't even care, and she's way too honest about her hatred and motives to the point she convinced herself she has the moral highground. The way she laughs everytime she kills a prime is even scary. That adds a lot more depth to her character. 

Xen is obsessed and has shown no signs of character development, whereas Tali turned from a typical Quarian attitude of blatantly hating the Geth, to seeing them in a completely different light.

Take the scene on Rannoch, for example:

Legion:  "Do you remember the question that we asked at that beginning? 'Does this unit have a soul?'"

-after much dialogue and man-tears-

Tali:  "...The answer to your question... is yes."

That shows character development on quite a dramatic level.  To call her "disturbingly racist" is entirely unfair.  Especially after adding further insult to injury by comparing her to Daro'Xen who is borderline INSANE.

Modifié par ReXspec, 15 mai 2012 - 09:26 .

[RADIUMEYEZ]

To hell with that keep Tali! Jack was boring as hell and completely uninteresting.

[FodoSatoru]

Arlionis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/1810293/polls/5439/

Miranda is popular, but this poll proves you wrong, OP.

Tali is queen.

This is out of 2000+ votes, I'd say that is a fair size user pool to base a demographic off of.

A poll from 2010, in BSN... Miranda was the most romanced character as a whole. Seriously, she (her body at least) was designed to attrack the main gamer demography: horny young males. 

The main gamer demography are males around 30. Not that young and no longer that horny.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

comrade gando wrote...

my opinion I couldn't get tired of tali. Not just talking about the character I mean the kind of person she is written as. exactly what I'm looking for in a girl.

Same here.

[Arlionis]

Pekkan wrote...

If we look at the list of ME3 squad mates, we can notice that there is not a single squad mate who was ME2 squad mate, and was not also ME1 squad mate.

So we don't have a single ME2, non-ME1 squad mate in ME3.

Also unlike Legion/Tali confrontation, which was usually at the end of the game when you had higher renegade/paragon level to handle it, getting Jack/Miranda confrontation early in the game, when you didn't have enough points to handle it, was relatively common. Jack was probably lost more often on the suicide mission than any other squad mate.

According to the The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 iOS app both of them have a very similar death ratio (roughly in 1/4 of the saves)

[BatmanPWNS]

Yeah, I doubt that.

[ReXspec]

Arlionis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/1810293/polls/5439/

Miranda is popular, but this poll proves you wrong, OP.

Tali is queen.

This is out of 2000+ votes, I'd say that is a fair size user pool to base a demographic off of.

A poll from 2010, in BSN... Miranda was the most romanced character as a whole. Seriously, she (her body at least) was designed to attrack the main gamer demography: horny young males. 

Sauce, pl0x?  I would love to see some evidence behind that statement.

Modifié par ReXspec, 15 mai 2012 - 09:28 .

[Arlionis]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/1810293/polls/5439/

Miranda is popular, but this poll proves you wrong, OP.

Tali is queen.

This is out of 2000+ votes, I'd say that is a fair size user pool to base a demographic off of.

A poll from 2010, in BSN... Miranda was the most romanced character as a whole. Seriously, she (her body at least) was designed to attrack the main gamer demography: horny young males. 

The main gamer demography are males around 30. Not that young and no longer that horny.

That's funny because according to a BSN pool made during the ME2 era Liara was more popular among the >25 years demography. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 15 mai 2012 - 09:30 .