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[Swimming Ferret]

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

[ReXspec]

grey_wind wrote...

Why on earth are we fighting over characters from previous games who are all loved by different sections of the fanbase and who all deserved to return?
Why the hell is nobody complaining that two potential spots on the squad were given to James "I treat everybody as though they have amnesia" Vega (who gets 0 character development in ME3) and the goddamn Sexbot? Or Javik, a stellar character but one whose presence is contrived at best and contributes absolutely nothing to the plot?

This, with a few caveats.  I think the way they set up the relationship between Joker and EDI, it was kind of inevitable.  And I do agree that they could have done a lot more Javik.  Vega was just kind of, there... I don't really know what they could have done with him as far as character development goes.

[incinerator950]

Wulfram wrote...

My only problem with Tali is that she really doesn't convince as an Admiral.  She never makes that title much of a reality, which makes her look weak.  I much prefer when she's been exiled - without the burden of the inappropriate title you can see her strength.

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

And she also says that she'd have been wrong.

I'd rather her neither.  She can get exiled, but then recalled because she can perform the same function Xen and Raan can.  She doesn't deserve Admiral either.

She can say she'd be wrong, but she would do it anyway, and again. 

[alec1898]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

I think you ignored the whole "What would you choose" aspect of the question.

[Swimming Ferret]

alec1898 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

I think you ignored the whole "What would you choose" aspect of the question.

Fine I would choose, "Go and help with the Cruicble rather than start a pointless war in the middle of a Reaper invasion."

[grey_wind]

Apathy1989 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Why on earth are we fighting over characters from previous games who are all loved by different sections of the fanbase and who all deserved to return?
Why the hell is nobody complaining that two potential spots on the squad were given to James "I treat everybody as though they have amnesia" Vega (who gets 0 character development in ME3) and the goddamn Sexbot? Or Javik, a stellar character but one whose presence is contrived at best and contributes absolutely nothing to the plot?

Fact is that if everyone dies, including the VS, then vaga and EDI are all you have left.

Biowares mistake was making everyone die on the suicide mission. Should have made it so either failure, or half survive - and this half can be developed in ME3 as squaddies.

The game's plot could have easily been structured so that the VS never has a chance to die again, and you have the VS and Liara guaranteed as squaddies throughout the game.
I think it would have been absolutely awesome if you got the majority of your squad in ME2 killed you were stuck going throughout the whole game with just Liara and the VS. Consequences!

[Arlionis]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

Excellently put, let's also remember that the anti-**** resistance in Germany knew very well what they were helping with  was going to end with Germany conquered and destroyed by the Allies and the Soviets, yet they put their ideals and ethics beyond their own feelings/safety and helped boycott **** Germany. 


Edit: for some reason Natzi (well the correct spelling, is censored )

Modifié par Arlionis, 15 mai 2012 - 10:04 .

[ReXspec]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

Yes, she did attempt to argue, but, again, she recognized a fleet division would mean extinction.  Remember, it wasn't her choice to go to war with the Geth.  She knew the Reapers were the real threat, but it was the Admiralty that pushed for a war to retake Rannoch.  Yes, the Admiralty were morons, but she saw reason because of Shepard.  He was the deciding factor.  Again, if she didn't think the Geth were real people, she would not have treated Legion the way she did in ME3.  I'm pretty sure mourning him is not really open to interpretation.

And don't be pretentious as far as the kill or be killed analogy goes... you know what I meant. 

[alec1898]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

I think you ignored the whole "What would you choose" aspect of the question.

Fine I would choose, "Go and help with the Cruicble rather than start a pointless war in the middle of a Reaper invasion."

Officially satisfied.

[Swimming Ferret]

Arlionis wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

Excellently put, let's also remember that the anti-**** resistance in Germany knew very well what they were helping with  was going to end with Germany conquered and destroyed by the Allies and the Soviets, yet they put their ideals and ethics beyond their own feelings/safety and helped boycott **** Germany. 

....You are seriously comparing Naz! Germany to this?

Yeah, this discussion is getting really sad.

[Bob3terd]

Im tired of liara getting shoved down my throught in every game, but my opinion is subjective as is yours. I wouldnt begrudge liara fans her time ingame for more tali time.
Yes shoulda been more miranda, jack, thane kelly etc, but not at the expense of other peoples fav characters.

[ReXspec]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

I think you ignored the whole "What would you choose" aspect of the question.

Fine I would choose, "Go and help with the Cruicble rather than start a pointless war in the middle of a Reaper invasion."

She kinda wanted to, but she was out-voted on that by the Admiralty.  Sure, she could've divided the fleet and taken a few Quarian ships with her to help with the Crucible, but, again, I'm pretty sure that would've spelled "death" for the Quarian race.  Or at least bring on their defeat quicker at the hands of the Geth.

[Apathy1989]

grey_wind wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

Fact is that if everyone dies, including the VS, then vaga and EDI are all you have left.

Biowares mistake was making everyone die on the suicide mission. Should have made it so either failure, or half survive - and this half can be developed in ME3 as squaddies.

The game's plot could have easily been structured so that the VS never has a chance to die again, and you have the VS and Liara guaranteed as squaddies throughout the game.
I think it would have been absolutely awesome if you got the majority of your squad in ME2 killed you were stuck going throughout the whole game with just Liara and the VS. Consequences!

Ah yeah forgot about Liara and her plot armour.

[incinerator950]

I generally see no reason to ever use Tali, Liara, or EDI. Every other character is better, and you can use Reave/Dark Channel in place of Singularity and Warp.

[ReXspec]

-sigh- Look, OP. Most of us who played with Tali understood why she made the decisions she made. You are not going to change my mind (and I'm certain you won't change the vast pool of Talimancers minds) as far as "keeping" her in the squad goes. I'm beginning to think developing straw-man arguments against Tali is a way of expressing blatant hatred for her (where that hatred comes from, God only knows).

So, why don't we leave this thread at:

"I hate Tali and I think she should be removed from the squad, game, franchise, etc." (whatever the bloody hell satisfies you; you are entitled to your opinion).

/thread

Modifié par ReXspec, 15 mai 2012 - 10:21 .

[FodoSatoru]

incinerator950 wrote...

I generally see no reason to ever use Tali, Liara, or EDI. Every other character is better, and you can use Reave/Dark Channel in place of Singularity and Warp.

I really can't comprehend people thinking that way. I pick characters I like to have around, I don't care that much what powers they have. People complain that there isn't enough RPG elements and then concentrate entirely on mechanics. Ech...

[TudorWolf]

I like Tali well enough, but her relevance to ME3 is pretty marginal at best imo

You get her so late in the overall plot and on top of that she has barely anything to say. Only reason I take her on missions is because of Sabotage. Plus, her turnaround about "I can't join you, gotta be with my people!" to "I'm joining you, no complaining!" always seemed odd to me

[incinerator950]

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I generally see no reason to ever use Tali, Liara, or EDI. Every other character is better, and you can use Reave/Dark Channel in place of Singularity and Warp.

I really can't comprehend people thinking that way. I pick characters I like to have around, I don't care that much what powers they have. People complain that there isn't enough RPG elements and then concentrate entirely on mechanics. Ech...

RPG elements are lacking, and when you don't like the characters for their skills, none of their banter is as particularly interesting as Garrus, Javik, Zaeed, Thane, Legion, or Wrex.

[ReXspec]

TudorWolf wrote...

I like Tali well enough, but her relevance to ME3 is pretty marginal at best imo

You get her so late in the overall plot and on top of that she has barely anything to say. Only reason I take her on missions is because of Sabotage. Plus, her turnaround about "I can't join you, gotta be with my people!" to "I'm joining you, no complaining!" always seemed odd to me

"I look at this picture of hope and peace, and all I see is the people I've lost..."

She won't find solice until she sees the Reaper war through.  My Shep would understand why if she wanted to stay on Rannoch, but he also understands what seeing the war through meant to her:  Seeing it through at the side of the man she loved, and fighting for the lost.

Again, Shepard is the deciding factor in this--and she realizes on Rannoch that being by the side of her lover (I romanced Tali in my playthrough) supporting him, and fighting the Reapers was the best way to serve her people.

[FodoSatoru]

incinerator950 wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I generally see no reason to ever use Tali, Liara, or EDI. Every other character is better, and you can use Reave/Dark Channel in place of Singularity and Warp.

I really can't comprehend people thinking that way. I pick characters I like to have around, I don't care that much what powers they have. People complain that there isn't enough RPG elements and then concentrate entirely on mechanics. Ech...

RPG elements are lacking, and when you don't like the characters for their skills, none of their banter is as particularly interesting as Garrus, Javik, Zaeed, Thane, Legion, or Wrex.

RPG in essense isn't about adding arbitrary points to some skills (which is now understood as RPG elements, apparently) but, in fact, about ROLE-PLAYING. I select characters whom personalities I like the most. The game isn't really so hard that you must squeeze all damage-dealing and crowd-controlling potential out of the squad mates.

[Rip504]

Op your opinion is based on assumptions. I disagree with you. Tali is better then Jack and any other ME2 squaddie and any ME1 squaddie,o and also any ME3 squaddie. Because of the lack of development that was set aside for the better character Tali!!!

Also check out my gamer pic, I am a fan of Jack.
Hatorade drinkers.

[incinerator950]

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I generally see no reason to ever use Tali, Liara, or EDI. Every other character is better, and you can use Reave/Dark Channel in place of Singularity and Warp.

I really can't comprehend people thinking that way. I pick characters I like to have around, I don't care that much what powers they have. People complain that there isn't enough RPG elements and then concentrate entirely on mechanics. Ech...

RPG elements are lacking, and when you don't like the characters for their skills, none of their banter is as particularly interesting as Garrus, Javik, Zaeed, Thane, Legion, or Wrex.

RPG in essense isn't about adding arbitrary points to some skills (which is now understood as RPG elements, apparently) but, in fact, about ROLE-PLAYING. I select characters whom personalities I like the most. The game isn't really so hard that you must squeeze all damage-dealing and crowd-controlling potential out of the squad mates.

I established very early I like Zaeed and Javik the most.  Also, true Roleplaying is impossible in this series, Illusion of Choice is with this one.

Modifié par incinerator950, 15 mai 2012 - 10:35 .

[alec1898]

incinerator950 wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I generally see no reason to ever use Tali, Liara, or EDI. Every other character is better, and you can use Reave/Dark Channel in place of Singularity and Warp.

I really can't comprehend people thinking that way. I pick characters I like to have around, I don't care that much what powers they have. People complain that there isn't enough RPG elements and then concentrate entirely on mechanics. Ech...

RPG elements are lacking, and when you don't like the characters for their skills, none of their banter is as particularly interesting as Garrus, Javik, Zaeed, Thane, Legion, or Wrex.

RPG in essense isn't about adding arbitrary points to some skills (which is now understood as RPG elements, apparently) but, in fact, about ROLE-PLAYING. I select characters whom personalities I like the most. The game isn't really so hard that you must squeeze all damage-dealing and crowd-controlling potential out of the squad mates.

I established very early I like Zaeed and Javik the most.  

I love that cynical **** and "The Elder Troll".

[garrusfan1]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...



What?  Xen wasn't shown to be insane in ME 2 at all.  In ME 3, she is labled eccentric but necisary.  You won't find out how insane she is because that was cut from the game.  Also, Tali is still Racist.  She admits she would have killed the Geth without a second thought.  She might agree with Legion, but she'll still label them as untrustworthy AI's when given the chance.  

Tali is like Ashley, only given a little more chance because of the Talimancers, she's not even supposed to be here. 

Xen considers the Geth little more then tools, and she wants to restore the Geth back to servitude--she even STATES this in ME2 and implies it in ME3.  Tali wants to go to war with the Geth in ME2, but changes her tune in ME3.  She MOURNS Legion, for Christ sake.  Not like Xen who would probably mourn Legion in the same way a carpenter mourns the loss of his favorite hammer.

Uh, Tali quite bluntly says she would have killed all the geth with no regrets if you speak to her after making peace between the geth and the quarians on the normandy. That's not really changing her tune.

If you were put in her position, who would you choose?  The survival of the Geth?  Or the survival of your own race?  The Admiralty bottlenecked her into a political situation that forced a kill or be killed attitude on her behalf.  Would she kill the Geth without a second thought?  Yes.  She has to.  Hesitation means extinction for her race.  Does she regret it?  Of course.  She has already expressed it.

Still shows she's willing to kill an entire species who didn't want war in the first place. She didn't even attempt to argue because "it would tear the fleets apart." Yeah, I'm sure getting shot at by geth didn't do that literally. :| She was too spineless to argue more, because she wanted to save face. That and she didn't think geth were really people anyway.

The quarians were stupid enough to go to war when the Reapers were invading. Idiots; get their planet back a week and then Reapers eat them all.

there wasn`t a lot of time to contomplate the geth get reaper upgrades in 10 seconds choose wisely your species or geth die

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Let her die in ME2. Problem solved.

Most people wanted more Jack, Thane, GRUNT, etc. etc. and we also wanted a good ending. BioWare failed. It's as simple as that.