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[AntonioA9011]

Really? ME3 is doing well when it's price dropped to $29.99 in some markets? Meanwhile, Elder of Scrolls V: Skyrim is still at it's original price of $59.99 and that game was released six months ago?

ME3 may have did well initially, but as soon as the negative word of mouth about the ending spread like wildfire, all hope was lost.

[braisbr1]

they are cowards, that's what they are. Hiding behind their EC promise, failing to take responsability for the lies they've already thrown at us.

[Deltakarma]

Im sure more art will be awaiting in our future anyways

[Taboo]

The Return of the Thin White Duke throwing darts in lover's eyes....

[Arlionis]

I'm being patient and waiting for the EC, I trust BioWare and I hope the EC will redeem ME3. Let's keep positive.

[AntonioA9011]

Kanaris wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

If I were Casey or Mac I wouldn't touch this form (or any ME forum) with a ten foot pole until the EC comes out. Why? Because regardless of my intentions, I would be eaten alive and end up feeling horrible about myself.

It has nothing to do with PR or cowardice (as far as I can tell, mixed with some educated guessing). It is a simple fact that after someone works 2.5 years on something as hard as they have, they don't want to go online and basically have people rip them a new one, laying 100% of the blame of the ending on them (regardless of whether it's deserved or not).

And I support that decision, because regardless of whether or not the ending is their 'fault,' they don't deserve the abuse they've been getting from fans, and the extra abuse they would get if they were to appear on the forums and actually attempt to have a discussion.

I believe the saying "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" applies here.

Agreed.

[sw04ca]

AntonioA9011 wrote...
Really? ME3 is doing well when it's price dropped to $29.99 in some markets? Meanwhile, Elder of Scrolls V: Skyrim is still at it's original price of $59.99 and that game was released six months ago?

ME3 may have did well initially, but as soon as the negative word of mouth about the ending spread like wildfire, all hope was lost.

The game has turned a profit.  That's the goal, so they won.

[AntonioA9011]

braisbr1 wrote...

they are cowards, that's what they are. Hiding behind their EC promise, failing to take responsability for the lies they've already thrown at us.

Agreed.

[Zuka999]

sw04ca wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...
If im mac walters or casey hudson, i'm not going to subject myself to the torments of the internet. Let the masses speculate amongst themselves for months until we are ready. Better that than try to come here answer a few questions and re-ignite the mob.

This.  Interacting with your community on the internet is generally a mistake, because most of your community are human, and are thus only capable of being jerks on the internet. 

They shouldn't have lied to us, then. I can't have much sympathy for someone who hyped me up to astronomical levels and then in truth totally weaseled me out of $70. Then on top of that, talked down to me about their "artistic integrity" and ran off, never ot be heard from again.

You can't just ignore your customers anymore. This is the information age. They should get different jobs if they can't handle feedback. They're writers, not children.

[Kelwing]

Why would they ever subject themselves to the rabid hate that would flow towards them if they posted anything. Work on EC, make it rock and if the masses like it then come in to talk about everything that has happened since launch.

Otherwise if I was them I'd avoid this place like the plague.

[AntonioA9011]

sw04ca wrote...

AntonioA9011 wrote...
Really? ME3 is doing well when it's price dropped to $29.99 in some markets? Meanwhile, Elder of Scrolls V: Skyrim is still at it's original price of $59.99 and that game was released six months ago?

ME3 may have did well initially, but as soon as the negative word of mouth about the ending spread like wildfire, all hope was lost.

The game has turned a profit.  That's the goal, so they won.

Did it turn a profit? Maybe it did, but I don't think you fully understood the point I was trying to make.

Modifié par AntonioA9011, 15 mai 2012 - 10:09 .

[Harmless Crunch]

I was wondering. Apart from that post supposedly written by Patrick Weekes, is there any other evidence that Casey and Mac shut out the rest of the team? Don't get me wrong I hate the pre-release lies but isn't it unfair to single out these two for the ending?

Though I'll take back that statement if there's evidence I don't know of.

[Sublyminal]

The game didn't turn a profit. How many people got refunds from amazon, gamestop and even origin. Everyone who says bu bu the game turned a profit are being moronic. Who do you think has to reimburse amazon and gamestop, etc for returned games? That's right EA.

[AntonioA9011]

Sublyminal wrote...

The game didn't turn a profit. How many people got refunds from amazon, gamestop and even origin. Everyone who says bu bu the game turned a profit are being moronic. Who do you think has to reimburse amazon and gamestop, etc for returned games? That's right EA.

You know, I wanted to say that, but I thought it would be rude.  I just let people live in denial/their own fantasy worlds. Live and let live I always say, but thanks for clarifying that.  

[sw04ca]

Zuka999 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...
If im mac walters or casey hudson, i'm not going to subject myself to the torments of the internet. Let the masses speculate amongst themselves for months until we are ready. Better that than try to come here answer a few questions and re-ignite the mob.

This.  Interacting with your community on the internet is generally a mistake, because most of your community are human, and are thus only capable of being jerks on the internet. 

They shouldn't have lied to us, then. I can't have much sympathy for someone who hyped me up to astronomical levels and then in truth totally weaseled me out of $70. Then on top of that, talked down to me about their "artistic integrity" and ran off, never ot be heard from again.

You can't just ignore your customers anymore. This is the information age. They should get different jobs if they can't handle feedback. They're writers, not children.

You don't understand my point.  Even if the game had been exactly as they claimed early in the development cycle, you'd still be behaving like a child on the internet, and they'd still have better things to do than to have abuse heaped on them.  The fault isn't with them, it's with you.

All that 'lies' talk isn't helping.  See, what they said was perfectly true, from a certain point of view.  You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

[silentassassin264]

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Really? ME3 is doing well when it's price dropped to $29.99 in some markets? Meanwhile, Elder of Scrolls V: Skyrim is still at it's original price of $59.99 and that game was released six months ago?

ME3 may have did well initially, but as soon as the negative word of mouth about the ending spread like wildfire, all hope was lost.

It looked good the first five or so weeks.  I stopped checking after that.  And ME2 dropped its price fairly quickly as well and I think it did well (again not completely sure but I think so).  EA cuts prices really early for some reason.

[Necrotron]

Sodapop VII wrote...

Ladies and Gentlemen. Get out your popcorn tubs. Prepare for the arrival. Of drama.

Will start off by saying I think Bioware could have handled this all a LOT better. That goes without saying. But save your fury for after the extended cut, no matter how hard it is.

Oh, believe me, there will be plenty of fury after the extended cut releases.

Of course, I support keeping it civil and treating people with respect.  Just stating the obvious.

As to the original post's question, we won't hear from them for a long time.

Modifié par Bathaius, 15 mai 2012 - 10:10 .

[The Invisible Commando]

You won't hear from them ever again. Even after EC is released. Unless EC is wildly popular, they won't speak again. Even if it is popular the fact we needed it all might put people off to them. They are done.

The only Twitter still active is Mike Gambles. You want ME3 info, go there. At least he still communicates and i got to give him credit for it. The rest are staying off the internet possibly indefinitely.

[AntonioA9011]

silentassassin264 wrote...

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Really? ME3 is doing well when it's price dropped to $29.99 in some markets? Meanwhile, Elder of Scrolls V: Skyrim is still at it's original price of $59.99 and that game was released six months ago?

ME3 may have did well initially, but as soon as the negative word of mouth about the ending spread like wildfire, all hope was lost.

It looked good the first five or so weeks.  I stopped checking after that.  And ME2 dropped its price fairly quickly as well and I think it did well (again not completely sure but I think so).  EA cuts prices really early for some reason.

Mass Effect 2 did quite good throughout the months that it was a "hot" item. Through DLC, pre-order release bonuses, etc. I don't really remember the price dropping from $70 to $30 in a matter of weeks, though. It was more like $60 to $50. ME2 gained money through longevity, not by an initial boom of buyers like ME3.

[tekkaman fear]

More than likely these questions will be answered about a year from now as part of an interview with Game Informer or a similar magazine. Honestly, at this point this is the safest and least incendiary course of action.

[Tazzmission]

i think we will if people dont act disgusting again torwards them and people who think they were right for doing so imo should honestly not even call themselves fans at all because no true fan would go as far as to say things as they did wich i wont repeat

[sw04ca]

Sublyminal wrote...
The game didn't turn a profit. How many people got refunds from amazon, gamestop and even origin. Everyone who says bu bu the game turned a profit are being moronic. Who do you think has to reimburse amazon and gamestop, etc for returned games? That's right EA.

Since there weren't as many returned as you seem to think, that's not really a problem.  Also, how much do you think they made off of day 1 DLC with a high adoption rate and multiplayer packs?  The answer is:  Enough to turn a profit.

[AntonioA9011]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

You won't hear from them ever again. Even after EC is released. Unless EC is wildly popular, they won't speak again. Even if it is popular the fact we needed it all might put people off to them. They are done.

The only Twitter still active is Mike Gambles. You want ME3 info, go there. At least he still communicates and i got to give him credit for it. The rest are staying off the internet possibly indefinitely.

Are you serious? I figured Hudson was the one giving off cryptic messages on his Twitter account. I could be mistaken, though.

[Sublyminal]

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

The game didn't turn a profit. How many people got refunds from amazon, gamestop and even origin. Everyone who says bu bu the game turned a profit are being moronic. Who do you think has to reimburse amazon and gamestop, etc for returned games? That's right EA.

You know, I wanted to say that, but I thought it would be rude.  I just let people live in denial/their own fantasy worlds. Live and let live I always say, but thanks for clarifying that.  

Wasn't trying to be rude to anyone, just dislike when people try to justify these two ignoring the very people that made them famous, by saying the game made a profit. When in all actuality it didn't if anything it lost money and will continue to lose money. EAs stock wouldn't have dropped almost 3$ if one of their best games made them a profit.

[The Edge]

If they were to speak out, what would you expect to hear?

I would be pleasantly suprised if they flat-out said they made mistakes and apologized for their "verbal inconsistancies". In reality, they would probably stick to the status quo of excuses: artistic integrity, vision, passionate fans, yada yada yada.