a shame...as radical as it may sound I may have just gathered the 3 founding member and quit with whoever followed me to make a new studio...AND THEN asked MS to be the exclusive publisher ....think about it, The spawn of the o,d bioware could have been the new bungie. imagine what they could have done.Sublyminal wrote...AFAIK they never got the chance to ask anyone else because John Riccitiello, ran the company that owned Bioware to begin with.
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
I don't make sexual insinuations as aTaboo-XX wrote...
IDean_the_Young wrote...
And when you're done tilting at strawmen, perhaps you can address something I've actually said for once?
have and if you're going to pretend that you are innocent in this
debace please, tell us how.
first response towards people I disagree with, to start with. I also never claimed that people shouldn't complain about the ending.All I have seen from you is an attempt to argue with someone is irrational and in doing so you reveal quite a bit.
I have never denied such, or claimed otherwise.The ending is a failure in marketing, artistry and structure.
I have
disagreed on what the issues are, but have never claimed the endings
were anything but flawed and have even written extensively on what I consider better alternatives for not just the ending, but the game as a whole.
The difference I bring to people is that the issues many of them claim are neither new or unusual: anger about advertising conveniently forgets the over-stated promises of ME1 and ME2, for example, while ignorring issues such as the matters of definition between advertisers and consumers expanding hype on their own.
And yet it isn't at all. Instead, you insulted me and grossly misrepresent my position without even bothering to clarify.Sublyminal wrote...
ns.
My reading comprehension is fine, I can pretty much read a statement and know exactly what you really meant by it. So yes even though you never said it in so many words, or in those words to be exact this is exactly what you meant.
While the appeal to statistics is a charming fallacy where no data is there, it also ignores history: both of the forum and the spam-waves it held, and of myself and my own views of Bioware products.The 95% of the fanbase has been extremely reasonable with these devs, it's pro-enders and people that still have their blinders on and feel the need to defend bioware no matter what. Bioware is not the same company it was when it made BG, or ME1. You can take the blinders off, your posts reek of fanboyism.
Tell you what: if you find that source, and I'll match you. Let's see how accurately you can remember what you think you remember.From what I read, a good majority of the test audience thought it downright sucked. So unless you can provide another source, which I will gladly read. Then I have no choice but to go by the one that I read months back.
Congratulations: you're capable of backtracking on BS you spout. Now that first inch is good, but there's a mile to go...Okay, fine maybe not a complete brown-noser but a blind fanboy/girl yes, def.
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And this is an excellent example of how the Bioware Forum is not filled with reasonable, mature adults prepared to have adult conversations with those they disagree with: when the advocate of board maturity claims vitriolic trolling as an acceptable standard of conversation.Sublyminal wrote...
Dude this is the internet, you should get used to this kind of stuff. Hell, I still do it with all my friends, so consider it a compliment I even took the time to start with something like that.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
And yet it isn't at all. Instead, you insulted me and grossly misrepresent my position without even bothering to clarify.Sublyminal wrote...
ns.
My reading comprehension is fine, I can pretty much read a statement and know exactly what you really meant by it. So yes even though you never said it in so many words, or in those words to be exact this is exactly what you meant.While the appeal to statistics is a charming fallacy where no data is there, it also ignores history: both of the forum and the spam-waves it held, and of myself and my own views of Bioware products.The 95% of the fanbase has been extremely reasonable with these devs, it's pro-enders and people that still have their blinders on and feel the need to defend bioware no matter what. Bioware is not the same company it was when it made BG, or ME1. You can take the blinders off, your posts reek of fanboyism.
Tell you what: if you find that source, and I'll match you. Let's see how accurately you can remember what you think you remember.From what I read, a good majority of the test audience thought it downright sucked. So unless you can provide another source, which I will gladly read. Then I have no choice but to go by the one that I read months back.
Congratulations: you're capable of backtracking on BS you spout. Now that first inch is good, but there's a mile to go...Okay, fine maybe not a complete brown-noser but a blind fanboy/girl yes, def.
This is absurd: Bioware did say things in and after the release. They simply did not say what various people wanted them to say, and they were actively attacked by people for what they did say. If anyone is to blame for Bioware being too silent, it would be those who actively shut down attempts at communication.Taboo-XX wrote...
People have already decided to be Unhappy. That is Bioware's fault. Before the month was over many thousands of people voiced their displeasure. Then the price drops came and it took almost a month for Bioware to say anything.
When a large-enough population deliberatly eschews reconciliation attempts in favor of maintaining hostility, the responsiblity falls on them as well.Bioware started the fire when they released the game in it's current format. All the hardcore fanbase did was whip it into a frenzy.
Both are at fault but the entity that is responsible for the blaze has yet to extinguish it.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
And this is an excellent example of how the Bioware Forum is not filled with reasonable, mature adults prepared to have adult conversations with those they disagree with: when the advocate of board maturity claims vitriolic trolling as an acceptable standard of conversation.Sublyminal wrote...
Dude this is the internet, you should get used to this kind of stuff. Hell, I still do it with all my friends, so consider it a compliment I even took the time to start with something like that.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
This is absurd: Bioware did say things in and after the release. They simply did not say what various people wanted them to say, and they were actively attacked by people for what they did say. If anyone is to blame for Bioware being too silent, it would be those who actively shut down attempts at communication.Taboo-XX wrote...
People have already decided to be Unhappy. That is Bioware's fault. Before the month was over many thousands of people voiced their displeasure. Then the price drops came and it took almost a month for Bioware to say anything.When a large-enough population deliberatly eschews reconciliation attempts in favor of maintaining hostility, the responsiblity falls on them as well.Bioware started the fire when they released the game in it's current format. All the hardcore fanbase did was whip it into a frenzy.
Both are at fault but the entity that is responsible for the blaze has yet to extinguish it.
Ah, so now you're not only baseless but a liar as well.Sublyminal wrote...
The only reason I even backtracked is to shut your whining up. I still have my opinion that you're a brown-noser but to keep you from whining, I'll leave it at what I said.
I came in and challenged your source that you claimed first: why shouldn't the onus be on you?The Onus is on you to provide your source, not me. You came in and said I was wrong, provide your source.
This can be turned just as easily on you: you played ME3. Ergo, you can't be anymore loyal than that.How exactly do you figure that you aren't one big BW fanboy/girl? I mean jeez, you even bought that ****astic game DA2. You can't get anymore loyal than that.
I should be honored by an alleged adult who has the conversational maturity of a teenager?As I also stated, I talk to my real life friends like that, if I feel you're on someones nuts I'm gonna tell you. Sort of like my boy who know nothing about Lebron James and is all up on his nuts, because Miami is in the play-offs it's the same thing, you should feel honored.
Taboo-XX wrote...Bioware did say things that are not really true, that I can forgive, but they should NOT be surprised that people called them out on it.You also reiterated my point when you responded. Both sides are at fault.
Baa Baa wrote...
They are being hunted down by the Expendables as we speak
You may or maynot be capable, but the simple fact that you don't is what validates the view that fans such as yourself are too much trouble: actions speak louder than potentials, and you actively affirm your intention to avoid maturity.Sublyminal wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
And this is an excellent example of how the Bioware Forum is not filled with reasonable, mature adults prepared to have adult conversations with those they disagree with: when the advocate of board maturity claims vitriolic trolling as an acceptable standard of conversation.Sublyminal wrote...
Dude this is the internet, you should get used to this kind of stuff. Hell, I still do it with all my friends, so consider it a compliment I even took the time to start with something like that.
It's thin-skinned wusses that take the fun out of all of it. If you can't have fun on the internet don't post, simple as that. I am plenty capable of holding a civilized, non-trolling, mature conversation with you. But, lets face it, after a while that gets old.
The irony escaping you is what makes you such an excellent example of the problem within the fanbase.Sublyminal wrote...
I have not seen them even once try to reconcile with us, that's just it. All we want is for them to communicate with us. They had the audacity to take our money. But, when something goes south, they're no-where to be found AND when they do communicate, they speak to us in a condenscending manner.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Ah, so now you're not only baseless but a liar as well.Sublyminal wrote...
The only reason I even backtracked is to shut your whining up. I still have my opinion that you're a brown-noser but to keep you from whining, I'll leave it at what I said.I came in and challenged your source that you claimed first: why shouldn't the onus be on you?The Onus is on you to provide your source, not me. You came in and said I was wrong, provide your source.
This can be turned just as easily on you: you played ME3. Ergo, you can't be anymore loyal than that.How exactly do you figure that you aren't one big BW fanboy/girl? I mean jeez, you even bought that ****astic game DA2. You can't get anymore loyal than that.
The obvious flaw in that argument is that playing a game doesn't imply anything about what you think about the game.I should be honored by an alleged adult who has the conversational maturity of a teenager?As I also stated, I talk to my real life friends like that, if I feel you're on someones nuts I'm gonna tell you. Sort of like my boy who know nothing about Lebron James and is all up on his nuts, because Miami is in the play-offs it's the same thing, you should feel honored.
Sure.
Certainly. In ME2, I was definitely one of the ones on the more critical side of 'consequences', and the 'no right way' balance between Paragon and Renegade.Taboo-XX wrote...
Bioware did say things that are not really true, that I can forgive, but they should NOT be surprised that people called them out on it.
Yes. But the onus to reconcile is on both as well.You also reiterated my point when you responded. Both sides are at fault.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
The irony escaping you is what makes you such an excellent example of the problem within the fanbase.Sublyminal wrote...
I have not seen them even once try to reconcile with us, that's just it. All we want is for them to communicate with us. They had the audacity to take our money. But, when something goes south, they're no-where to be found AND when they do communicate, they speak to us in a condenscending manner.
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Sublyminal wrote...
Wow, talk about a buzz killington...
Not really, it can't be turned around. Because I bought the game the day it came out, I had no idea the ending was going to suck the way it did. So again, no you can't just flip my argument on it's head.
Because the challenger, always provides his proof first, it's like a game of hold-em. If you're the player that is all in first in a two man hand, you're the one that has to show first, simple as that.
However, if you aren't going to show your source, I'm damn sure not going to dig through thousands of posts to see if I can find the link I clicked on.
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