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The Crucible: New Signed & Numbered litho coming soon to the Bioware Store...


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Not sure about buying this one. The litho actually looks really cool, but the fact that it's 39x22 makes me somewhat doubtful. Also, no word on the release date?

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I've heard the next two or three weeks.

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Adding in the Normandy to it was just pretty dumb in my opinion. Pretty major change to the image, and I don't know what the point was, scale, maybe, but we know how big it is.

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Legendary Chop Chop wrote...

Adding in the Normandy to it was just pretty dumb in my opinion. Pretty major change to the image, and I don't know what the point was, scale, maybe, but we know how big it is.


I don't remember too well, as I've only played the ending once (who can blame me?), but didn't Hackett order to defend the Crucible? The Normandy could've been a part of that I guess (again, not remembering too well, so I might be wrong).

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I wouldnt read to much into the distances and scale with concept art. Those who have Earth Alliance know the starships there represent nothing currently in existence (they seem like concept Dreadnoughts) plus one of the ships oddly displays the name Normandy SR-12.

Anyway the images on the previous page just proves what many of us already knew. They are simply putting the Normandy into anything they consider appropriate.

Editado por Captain Crash, 17 mayo 2012 - 06:03 .


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Captain Crash wrote...

I wouldnt read to much into the distances and scale with concept art. Those who have Earth Alliance know the starships there represent nothing currently in existence (they seem like concept Dreadnoughts) plus one of the ships oddly displays the name Normandy SR-12.

Anyway the images on the previous page just proves what many of us already knew. They are simply putting the Normandy into anything they consider appropriate.

Earth Alliance was definitely concept art, and I love it. I wish we had more like that and less like the ones we've gotten since. My reaction to these (Reaper Attack is the exception) has mostly been, "I've seen this image a bunch of times already!" I'd really like to see something more original in the future. *Looks at BioWare since Treehouse has no control over images*

Editado por CDRSkyShepard, 18 mayo 2012 - 01:32 .


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>Buying a lithograph of the object that destroyed the Mass Effect universe.

No thank you.

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What colors do they come in? I would prefer red if it is available.

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Nice to see the signed lithos back, but I'm not really interested in an oversized crucible litho with the Normandy (again...).

I prefer 18x24 lithos (and they're already a pain to frame here), 39x22 should be just for those truly unique lithos that deserve more space (and already Earth Alliance wasn't).

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I thought the oversized lithos were 24x36? That's the frame size I used for The Team, at least...

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-Skorpious- wrote...

What colors do they come in? I would prefer red if it is available.

I love you so much right now.

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I understand having something like the Team as a larger litho, because its epic, it needs epic space. But this bog standard image from the art book? And same goes for Earth Alliance. You're just churning them out now in my opinion. Larger lithos are pricey, harder to store, more pricey to frame. If this were a standard 18 by 24 i would have bought it, as it stands its a no.

Not to mention i already have that image in an art book, albeit without the bow glowy bits :/

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Well, I guess I am in the minority as I love that this is going to be over-sized and I also love that they added in the Normandy as it really has no scale without it. That's the problem with doing scenes that have nothing but space in the background, you don't have anything that gives it scale and believe it or not but most pictures/paintings have something in the image to give it scale. In my book, adding the Normandy was definitely a smart move.

I can understand how the size would put some people off, especially in regards to framing. My advice is to learn how to do your own matting and framing. Yes, you need to initially invest some money into equipment but the money it will save you in the long term will make it well worth your while and its not nearly as hard as some people may think. I usually can frame prints for under 30 bucks and that includes archival rag board and glass.

I am definitely in for one.

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Not to mention i already have that image in an art book, albeit without the bow glowy bits :/


Are you really comparing an image in a mass produced art book to owning a limited edition lithograph?

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RighteousNixon wrote...

I can understand how the size would put some people off, especially in regards to framing. My advice is to learn how to do your own matting and framing. Yes, you need to initially invest some money into equipment but the money it will save you in the long term will make it well worth your while and its not nearly as hard as some people may think. I usually can frame prints for under 30 bucks and that includes archival rag board and glass.

I am definitely in for one.

For me the problem is not the framing price, it's the dreaded end of wall space that will probably come after a couple more lithos :whistle:

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RighteousNixon wrote...

Well, I guess I am in the minority as I love that this is going to be over-sized and I also love that they added in the Normandy as it really has no scale without it. That's the problem with doing scenes that have nothing but space in the background, you don't have anything that gives it scale and believe it or not but most pictures/paintings have something in the image to give it scale. In my book, adding the Normandy was definitely a smart move.

I can understand how the size would put some people off, especially in regards to framing. My advice is to learn how to do your own matting and framing. Yes, you need to initially invest some money into equipment but the money it will save you in the long term will make it well worth your while and its not nearly as hard as some people may think. I usually can frame prints for under 30 bucks and that includes archival rag board and glass.

I am definitely in for one.

It's the wallspace, there's only so much.

Adding the Normandy is a gimmick they've done in 3 lithos now: Dead Reaper, Earth Alliance, and now this one. They try to sucker people like me who love the ship to pieces to buy these lithos that way. We've already had the Normandy featured in 3 lithographs. The poor girl needs a rest.

How can you do all of it for less than 30 bucks? I do my own framing, as well, but there's no quality frame I've been able to find (nice-looking with anti-UV, anti-glare plexiglass, all acid-free) for less than $30-$40 for a 18x24 frame...and that's just the frame.

RighteousNixon wrote...

Not to mention i already have that image in an art book, albeit without the bow glowy bits :/

Are you really comparing an image in a mass produced art book to owning a limited edition lithograph?  

That's all it is, actually. An image from a mass-produced art book that's been dressed up. Most of the lithos we've gotten in the ME3 series have been this way. I remember when they actually had unique, original art we hadn't seen before on the lithographs. Now they're just mass-manufactured prints.

Editado por CDRSkyShepard, 18 mayo 2012 - 09:45 .


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CDRSkyShepard wrote...
That's all it is, actually. An image from a mass-produced art book that's been dressed up. Most of the lithos we've gotten in the ME3 series have been this way. I remember when they actually had unique, original art we hadn't seen before on the lithographs. Now they're just mass-manufactured prints.


Please. Comparing an original limited edition lithograph to an art book image is hands down one of the most ridiculous comparisons I have ever seen. In fact, the reasons why this is so ridiculous are so obvious and self explainatory that I am not even going to bother debating this. If there are people out there that legitmately feel that an image in an art book, even if it happens to be a full 2 page spread in a coffee table style art book, is right on par with a limited edition lithograph of that image then....well, thier percpetion of both quality and art is so warped that I honesty feel sorry for them. I could only imagine what the world of art would be like today if a lot of people shared that opinion. Our walls would be totally bare but we would have a lot of art books, lol. In all honesty, I am not surprised to see a statement like this coming off the internet. In fact, one comes to expect statements like this from internet forums. What is surprising is that it was made on a forum that specifically deals with people that are collecting lithographs.

As for calling a run of 500 limited edition lithographs, which is actually a low number in the art world, mass manufacuring of prints....well, you just made a statement of equal ridiculouness. I guess that shouldnt surprise me given the statement you were actually trying to back up. In all honesty why are you guys even here. Buy the art book and be done with it. It will save you a lot of money and your walls wont be so messy with all of those prints hanging on them.

Editado por RighteousNixon, 18 mayo 2012 - 11:30 .


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Hey Bioware, when you ship these, please do not put them in the bag and board. When rolled, the board causes damage to the litho. Just carefully wrap the litho (without bag and board) in craft paper.

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Vault101 survivor wrote...

Hey Bioware, when you ship these, please do not put them in the bag and board. When rolled, the board causes damage to the litho. Just carefully wrap the litho (without bag and board) in craft paper.


Normal sized lithos are also shipped rolled to Europe so if recent experience is any indication it ought to be shipped like this:

- Rolled in very thin "paper" (not the thick board used for "Earth Alliance")

Yet somehow this can still happen:

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Editado por rasmusvn, 18 mayo 2012 - 11:24 .


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Fantastic can't wait to get this one on the wall :)

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RighteousNixon wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...
That's all it is, actually. An image from a mass-produced art book that's been dressed up. Most of the lithos we've gotten in the ME3 series have been this way. I remember when they actually had unique, original art we hadn't seen before on the lithographs. Now they're just mass-manufactured prints.


Please. Comparing an original limited edition lithograph to an art book image is hands down one of the most ridiculous comparisons I have ever seen. In fact, the reasons why this is so ridiculous are so obvious and self explainatory that I am not even going to bother debating this. If there are people out there that legitmately feel that an image in an art book, even if it happens to be a full 2 page spread in a coffee table style art book, is right on par with a limited edition lithograph of that image then....well, thier percpetion of both quality and art is so warped that I honesty feel sorry for them. I could only imagine what the world of art would be like today if a lot of people shared that opinion. Our walls would be totally bare but we would have a lot of art books, lol. In all honesty, I am not surprised to see a statement like this coming off the internet. In fact, one comes to expect statements like this from internet forums. What is surprising is that it was made on a forum that specifically deals with people that are collecting lithographs.

As for calling a run of 500 limited edition lithographs, which is actually a low number in the art world, mass manufacuring of prints....well, you just made a statement of equal ridiculouness. I guess that shouldnt surprise me given the statement you were actually trying to back up. In all honesty why are you guys even here. Buy the art book and be done with it. It will save you a lot of money and your walls wont be so messy with all of those prints hanging on them.


Wow, no need to be a dick about it.
I can see where CDR SkyShepard is coming from however I can also see where you are coming from. It would be nice if there was artwork exclusive to the 500 prints, but there are still only 500 prints of the others anyway and they are still signed and numbered.

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RighteousNixon wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...
That's all it is, actually. An image from a mass-produced art book that's been dressed up. Most of the lithos we've gotten in the ME3 series have been this way. I remember when they actually had unique, original art we hadn't seen before on the lithographs. Now they're just mass-manufactured prints.

*Snip of wow*

You can't call it an "original limited edition lithograph' when the image itself has been out for all to see for months. Lol. Sure, it's not on 100 lb paper, but the image itself is not original, don't have to get all pompous on me. The image itself is mass-manufactured, I'm not talking about the lithograph.

Like I said, I remember when the images that came out for these lithographs truly were original. Concept art that hadn't been seen before, images that were created for the sole purpose of being sold as lithographs. Now they're just giving us recycled images, slapping them on good paper, doing 500 prints and calling them "limited edition art." That same art piece can be observed in the art book, on commercial advertisements, and even comic books. (You gonna come to the defense of the Aria lithograph? Because if you are, that image was originally seen on the cover of a comic book. Then they recycled it for the lithographs. They didn't even get them signed.)

I'm not in the art industry, but my sister is. I do know a bit about it, but obviously not as much as you, your highness. Last time I checked, the images themselves mattered as much as the fact that they're on nice paper and only had a 500 print run. I can't believe you as someone in the art world are condoning the recycling of images and printing them on nice pape for the mere sake of calling it "limited edition". The person I was "backing up" owns a fair majority of the lithograph prints, so she and I have been around the block a time or two when it comes to Mass Effect lithographs specifically. In the past, there has been a lot better quality in the images, and that's what we're saying. Previous prints are considered superior because they weren't copy-pasted, ripped from an art book. Even Reaper Attack (unsigned) is a better image because it was a fresh, new image, not old news like this one.

Our point is, why get an expensive print of an image that's been paraded around in other media for months now? 

I'm definitely not paying for an expensive print of one of the most blatant and worst deus ex machinas in science fiction history, but that's a different topic for a different thread.

Editado por CDRSkyShepard, 19 mayo 2012 - 01:18 .


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rasmusvn wrote...

Vault101 survivor wrote...

Hey Bioware, when you ship these, please do not put them in the bag and board. When rolled, the board causes damage to the litho. Just carefully wrap the litho (without bag and board) in craft paper.


Normal sized lithos are also shipped rolled to Europe so if recent experience is any indication it ought to be shipped like this:

- Rolled in very thin "paper" (not the thick board used for "Earth Alliance")

Yet somehow this can still happen:
*Snip*

Oh geez! I'm really glad my Earth Alliance isn't damaged, but that cardboard makes me nervous, so I'm getting it framed as soon as I possibly can. I can't believe paper is causing the same kind of damage, albeit less severe.

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39x22 is just too big for an image this bland and the issues with what it is, which I mind much less than most. I like the idea but it could have been a smaller print. If that were the case I would likely get it because I enjoy landscape/environmental lithos.

Editado por Legendary Chop Chop, 19 mayo 2012 - 05:45 .


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Legendary Chop Chop wrote...

Did they seriously modify the original art? Definitely won't be purchasing this now, doing that is pretty shameful.


Uh, that was the enitre point of the Mass Effect lithographs in the beginning. IIRC, up until Normandy SR2 came out, every piece had originally been concept art.

Editado por cheesetogo, 19 mayo 2012 - 06:35 .