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[EsterCloat]

You're the reason why we can't have nice things OP.

[garrusfan1]

EsterCloat wrote...

You're the reason why we can't have nice things OP.

hahahahahahahhahahaha

[Taboo]

[Captain Noodle]

Jesus Christ, man, what is your malfunction? Is everything so black and white with you?

[garrusfan1]

Captain Noodle wrote...

Jesus Christ, man, what is your malfunction? Is everything so black and white with you?

who are you talking to

[Captain Noodle]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

Jesus Christ, man, what is your malfunction? Is everything so black and white with you?

who are you talking to

.                                                                                                                                      
The OP.

Modifié par Captain Noodle, 16 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Captain Noodle wrote...

Jesus Christ, man, what is your malfunction? Is everything so black and white with you?

Yes.

[Captain Noodle]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

Jesus Christ, man, what is your malfunction? Is everything so black and white with you?

Yes.

Then I feel sorry for you.  There are more colors in this world than those two.

EDIT: Oh, or you're just a sad troll.  I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

Modifié par Captain Noodle, 16 mai 2012 - 04:07 .

[Raiil]

I keep running into this minor problem that STG and the Turian military, to say nothing of the asari commandos, haven't actively tried to promote violent dominance in the name of their species...

Not that any of them are saints, but Cerberus is a rogue group who has no problem trying to turn people into zombies with Thorian spores and torturing children like Jack. The whole 'ends justify the means' bit tends to get problematic at times.

[garrusfan1]

Valentia X wrote...

I keep running into this minor problem that STG and the Turian military, to say nothing of the asari commandos, haven't actively tried to promote violent dominance in the name of their species...

Not that any of them are saints, but Cerberus is a rogue group who has no problem trying to turn people into zombies with Thorian spores and torturing children like Jack. The whole 'ends justify the means' bit tends to get problematic at times.

yes my point exactly somewhere a few pages back and besides the illusive man loves gray not just black and white choices

[garrusfan1]

Captain Noodle wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

Jesus Christ, man, what is your malfunction? Is everything so black and white with you?

who are you talking to

.                                                                                                                                      
The OP.

sorry though you were talking to me don`t know why

[Catamantaloedis]

Valentia X wrote...

I keep running into this minor problem that STG and the Turian military, to say nothing of the asari commandos, haven't actively tried to promote violent dominance in the name of their species...

Not that any of them are saints, but Cerberus is a rogue group who has no problem trying to turn people into zombies with Thorian spores and torturing children like Jack. The whole 'ends justify the means' bit tends to get problematic at times.

I can't say much of the Turian military, in regards to experiments like Jack and the Thorian, but did you not see the STG base on Sur'Kesh? The one with the Krogan female, andd the Yagh, and many other unknowable little secrets?

[garrusfan1]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I keep running into this minor problem that STG and the Turian military, to say nothing of the asari commandos, haven't actively tried to promote violent dominance in the name of their species...

Not that any of them are saints, but Cerberus is a rogue group who has no problem trying to turn people into zombies with Thorian spores and torturing children like Jack. The whole 'ends justify the means' bit tends to get problematic at times.

I can't say much of the Turian military, in regards to experiments like Jack and the Thorian, but did you not see the STG base on Sur'Kesh? The one with the Krogan female, andd the Yagh, and many other unknowable little secrets?

te krogan female was treated well if I remember they saved her

[incinerator950]

[thesnake777]

OP. The aliens have all there advantages we have Cerberus.  Im down with them too man.


To insure humanities survival sacrifices must be made.
However cerberus was dumbed down in ME3 to make them cobra style villains. Which was infuriating, they are not evil they take a hard line.

Modifié par thesnake777, 16 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[Catamantaloedis]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I keep running into this minor problem that STG and the Turian military, to say nothing of the asari commandos, haven't actively tried to promote violent dominance in the name of their species...

Not that any of them are saints, but Cerberus is a rogue group who has no problem trying to turn people into zombies with Thorian spores and torturing children like Jack. The whole 'ends justify the means' bit tends to get problematic at times.

I can't say much of the Turian military, in regards to experiments like Jack and the Thorian, but did you not see the STG base on Sur'Kesh? The one with the Krogan female, andd the Yagh, and many other unknowable little secrets?

te krogan female was treated well if I remember they saved her

But they did what was necessary for Salarian safety. They took few fertile female Krogan away, and with them all possibility of curing the genophage, at least until the monster Shepard comes along. Well, not my Shepard.

Anyway, they made a right choice. I would have done far worse to the Krogan, however.

[garrusfan1]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I keep running into this minor problem that STG and the Turian military, to say nothing of the asari commandos, haven't actively tried to promote violent dominance in the name of their species...

Not that any of them are saints, but Cerberus is a rogue group who has no problem trying to turn people into zombies with Thorian spores and torturing children like Jack. The whole 'ends justify the means' bit tends to get problematic at times.

I can't say much of the Turian military, in regards to experiments like Jack and the Thorian, but did you not see the STG base on Sur'Kesh? The one with the Krogan female, andd the Yagh, and many other unknowable little secrets?

te krogan female was treated well if I remember they saved her

But they did what was necessary for Salarian safety. They took few fertile female Krogan away, and with them all possibility of curing the genophage, at least until the monster Shepard comes along. Well, not my Shepard.

Anyway, they made a right choice. I would have done far worse to the Krogan, however.

let me guess genocide right

[Captain Noodle]

thesnake777 wrote...

OP. The aliens have all there advantages we have Cerberus.  Im down with them too man.


To insure humanities survival sacrifices must be made.
However cerberus was dumbed down in ME3 to make them cobra style villains. Which was infuriating, they are not evil they take a hard line.

Actually, let's look at some of those sacrifices, shall we?

Mass Effect 1: Admiral Kohaku is murdered, and for what?  What benefit did the experiments with the rachni, husks, Thorian creepers, and thresher maws contribute exactly?  Did we see any noticeable dividends from Cerberus's actions in ME1?  I don't see Cerberus ever directing thresher maws or rachni, so I have to believe that those experiments went absolutely nowhere.  Did they really need to kill Shepard's squad on Akuze? (if you have the Sole Survivor background)

Mass Effect 2: They bring back Shepard.  Okay, chalk one up in the win column.  Oh, and then they lose an entire science team on a derelict Reaper.  Oh, and then they funded a program that tortured and murdered children to research the possibility of improving biotic potential.  And then nearly uploaded an abomination of a human/VI hybrid to the extranet, killing the entire team working on that project save one.  Good job.  How about they research something a little safer, like toast?  Actually, don't, they'd probably find a way to screw that up too.

Mass Effect 3: Exploit an entire galaxy's fears, offering a place of refuge...and then slaughter them wholesale so they can research the possibility of controlling the Reapers.  Which is like negotiating with Hitler in 1940.  Rather than kill the bastards, then research them and use their technology.  Plus, they had to indoctrinate their own troops.  Yeah, great loyalty program.

I'm sorry, but Cerberus has been pants-on-head retarded throughout the series.

Oh, and they gave us Kai Leng.  So, thanks, Cerberus.  Thanks a bunch.

[incinerator950]

You're welcome.

[garrusfan1]

Captain Noodle wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

OP. The aliens have all there advantages we have Cerberus.  Im down with them too man.


To insure humanities survival sacrifices must be made.
However cerberus was dumbed down in ME3 to make them cobra style villains. Which was infuriating, they are not evil they take a hard line.

Actually, let's look at some of those sacrifices, shall we?

Mass Effect 1: Admiral Kohaku is murdered, and for what?  What benefit did the experiments with the rachni, husks, Thorian creepers, and thresher maws contribute exactly?  Did we see any noticeable dividends from Cerberus's actions in ME1?  I don't see Cerberus ever directing thresher maws or rachni, so I have to believe that those experiments went absolutely nowhere.  Did they really need to kill Shepard's squad on Akuze? (if you have the Sole Survivor background)

Mass Effect 2: They bring back Shepard.  Okay, chalk one up in the win column.  Oh, and then they lose an entire science team on a derelict Reaper.  Oh, and then they funded a program that tortured and murdered children to research the possibility of improving biotic potential.  And then nearly uploaded an abomination of a human/VI hybrid to the extranet, killing the entire team working on that project save one.  Good job.  How about they research something a little safer, like toast?  Actually, don't, they'd probably find a way to screw that up too.

Mass Effect 3: Exploit an entire galaxy's fears, offering a place of refuge...and then slaughter them wholesale so they can research the possibility of controlling the Reapers.  Which is like negotiating with Hitler in 1940.  Rather than kill the bastards, then research them and use their technology.  Plus, they had to indoctrinate their own troops.  Yeah, great loyalty program.

I'm sorry, but Cerberus has been pants-on-head retarded throughout the series.

Oh, and they gave us Kai Leng.  So, thanks, Cerberus.  Thanks a bunch.

all good points but kai leng is the worst just hate himcalls thane a coward the has a gun ship help him

[robarcool]

Lol, OP sounds like some deluded megalomaniac.

[thesnake777]

Captain Noodle wrote...

Actually, let's look at some of those sacrifices, shall we?

Mass Effect 1: Admiral Kohaku is murdered, and for what?  What benefit did the experiments with the rachni, husks, Thorian creepers, and thresher maws contribute exactly?  Did we see any noticeable dividends from Cerberus's actions in ME1?  I don't see Cerberus ever directing thresher maws or rachni, so I have to believe that those experiments went absolutely nowhere.  Did they really need to kill Shepard's squad on Akuze? (if you have the Sole Survivor background)

Mass Effect 2: They bring back Shepard.  Okay, chalk one up in the win column.  Oh, and then they lose an entire science team on a derelict Reaper.  Oh, and then they funded a program that tortured and murdered children to research the possibility of improving biotic potential.  And then nearly uploaded an abomination of a human/VI hybrid to the extranet, killing the entire team working on that project save one.  Good job.  How about they research something a little safer, like toast?  Actually, don't, they'd probably find a way to screw that up too.

Mass Effect 3: Exploit an entire galaxy's fears, offering a place of refuge...and then slaughter them wholesale so they can research the possibility of controlling the Reapers.  Which is like negotiating with Hitler in 1940.  Rather than kill the bastards, then research them and use their technology.  Plus, they had to indoctrinate their own troops.  Yeah, great loyalty program.

I'm sorry, but Cerberus has been pants-on-head retarded throughout the series.

Oh, and they gave us Kai Leng.  So, thanks, Cerberus.  Thanks a bunch.

To begin with Cerberus has not been potrayed consistantly. Kohoko is murdered because he is a threat. He learned information about one of Cerberus's activites. The experments with the husks, rachini, creepers, and maws were in the search of a way to control them. This actually showed some promies when it cames to the Maws. as you pointed out the soul survior backstory comes about becuase of cerberus signal emitters that attract The Maws to them. That there is something.
So for ME1 they began to experiment with husks which would eventually lead to a understanding of reapers. Remeber in ME3 how they were useing reaper tech against the reapers and everyone else by creating enhanced super soldiers?
experments with the rachni and creeper dident work out, oh well, I am sure usefull information came out of it. 

Moving on to your points from ME2
The science team on the reaper was lost. However they did discover information about the workings of a Reaper. If you dont accept that, then this gave more information to Cerberus about how indoctrination works. Also shepard got a Reaper IFF out of the whole affair.
As for Project Overlord, this showed progress into controlling Geth, how is this not useful? even if you handed the kid over the information from this could eventaully help to control AI or find ways to get around there systems. This is a plus. If you consider it a failed project so be it. They know what direction not to go in. That is more then what the citidal does. it has a no touch view point on anything having to do with AI. That is stupid.

ME3.
What part of the reaper invasion did you miss? you comented that they make stupid sacrfices...um..they need a army to fight with...guess they found that army..... If people have to die so that Humans can live on thats how it has to be. Also remeber how you pointed out about the research into the husks, the derelict reaper, and project overlord? they made a super soldier useing it. Its a hard line approch, is it pretty? no. is it nice? no. Are there results? yes.

Modifié par thesnake777, 16 mai 2012 - 05:06 .

[Raiil]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I keep running into this minor problem that STG and the Turian military, to say nothing of the asari commandos, haven't actively tried to promote violent dominance in the name of their species...

Not that any of them are saints, but Cerberus is a rogue group who has no problem trying to turn people into zombies with Thorian spores and torturing children like Jack. The whole 'ends justify the means' bit tends to get problematic at times.

I can't say much of the Turian military, in regards to experiments like Jack and the Thorian, but did you not see the STG base on Sur'Kesh? The one with the Krogan female, andd the Yagh, and many other unknowable little secrets?

I'm not condoning what STG did. That doesn't also somehow make Cerberus better. And the Salarians are uplifting the Yahg to combat the Krogan, not to ensure Salarian dominance. 

A--holes, the lot of them, but the STG don't strike me as particularly megalomatic; TIM does. One lone human declaring that they have not only the will, but the moral imperative to put one race ahead of the others is the stuff of therapy.

[wantedman dan]

incinerator950 wrote...

If that's what I think it is, and what I think it is--Arrested Development--you sir win the internets

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Taboo-XX wrote...

 
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