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[JRCHOharry]

I heard of The Witcher through this website, but I have yet to play any of them.

[Jaroslav Jakubov]

i'm from eastern europe, so i knew about Witcher long ago before first game came out. Books are probably best fantasy novels ever existed, so i was excited about games. i bought Witcher 1 long ago, but didnt played it till now for some unknown reason - probably fear it will destroy the story i know from books - but boy was i wrong... witcher 1 and 2 are wastly supperior to any RPG game I ever played because of storytelling and true adaptation of characters from books.. you who didnt read Witcher books, i suggest you to read them, game will give you whole new perspective on things.. Only thing that could be probably strange for US people, Witcher is not based on standard lore,but is based on Tales from East European countries, so it has completly different touch than other RPGs like Dragon Age... probably most significant thing is, that you cant tell what is good and what is evil, sometimes evil things for some, prove to be good and good is evil...

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Yeah actually. I was very upset about the ending. Used to come on these forums all the time always heard people talk about the Witcher but never bothered with it. After the ending people started talking about it so I said what the hell and bought both games on Steam.

Well, now i rarely come to these forums and im just about 100% finished with bioware. This EC DLC will be the decision for me.

[Leozilla]

Tirranek wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Tirranek wrote...


- Then please link me said facts, I'm interested and have obviously missed something. Especially considering that enjoyment of this game comes down to personal opinion.
- I'm glad I amaze you.
- Sure it might not have been the most accurately thought out analogy, but I certainly thought it through more than the response you gave.

I doubt that, in all honesty you're just an incompetent fool.

ooo, bringing out the personal insults ey?

Game on!

Personal strike demonstrating sign of weakness in argument. That's 1 point to me

Score 1 - 0

you won before I even started talking.

would you recomend that I get the witcer 1  for the back story or just skip it, I have 2 but it is on the 360.

I feel what BW tried with the ME series was maybe a little to much to start off with, it's a great idea to have a story that the player crafts through 3 games but at some point the writers are either going to have to have wildly different experiances by the third game (which would make dev time longer) or end up forcing every version of the protagonist into a narrow conclusion ( which undermines the whole process of the player crafting the story), I think this is what happened to ME3, and it is not so much BW fault as they were treading uncharted territory and were bound to F-up at some point. Because they built up this series on player continuity and the way they decided to end it resulted an ending that leaves the universe that everyone has become so invested in ambiguous, which was going to alienate the majority of the fanbase.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

No. I keep an eye out for RPG games. Bought The Witcher, made it into the city and then abandoned the game. The initial problems were a put off and even after the patch was released, I had no interest in going back to it.

[KBomb]

No, Mass Effect 3 didn't lead me to buy TW2. However, it was refreshing to play it after the disappointment of ME3. It most definitely alleviated the sting of disappointment. TW2 is simply amazing, imo. Totally different game, so I can't compare them, but what I can do is say the experience I felt after playing TW2 is what I had hoped for with ME3, but didn't get.

[Aetika]

No. I finished both Witcher 1 and 2 shortly after their release.

[NRieh]

The games are set after the books.

You know, "Troy" is also set after the books...and so does LOtR... and so do many other films\\games and in many cases it's more like "inspired by", then actually "based on".

Another thing (for one who read books) is that, unlike Commander Shepard, Geralt of Rivia and all his deeds and all the events and characters were "canonized" long before gaming industry noticed them. I don't understand where could any "freedom of choice" come from. It was all written down long before kindle age.

It had very well-written grotesque references to known tales (beauty and the beast, Snowhite, sleeping beauty, alladin...), by the way, not sure if any were preserved.

[Tirranek]

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Tirranek wrote...


- Then please link me said facts, I'm interested and have obviously missed something. Especially considering that enjoyment of this game comes down to personal opinion.
- I'm glad I amaze you.
- Sure it might not have been the most accurately thought out analogy, but I certainly thought it through more than the response you gave.

I doubt that, in all honesty you're just an incompetent fool.

ooo, bringing out the personal insults ey?

Game on!

Personal strike demonstrating sign of weakness in argument. That's 1 point to me

Score 1 - 0

you won before I even started talking.

would you recomend that I get the witcer 1  for the back story or just skip it, I have 2 but it is on the 360.

I feel what BW tried with the ME series was maybe a little to much to start off with, it's a great idea to have a story that the player crafts through 3 games but at some point the writers are either going to have to have wildly different experiances by the third game (which would make dev time longer) or end up forcing every version of the protagonist into a narrow conclusion ( which undermines the whole process of the player crafting the story), I think this is what happened to ME3, and it is not so much BW fault as they were treading uncharted territory and were bound to F-up at some point. Because they built up this series on player continuity and the way they decided to end it resulted an ending that leaves the universe that everyone has become so invested in ambiguous, which was going to alienate the majority of the fanbase.

I'd say yes, because it does still have an effect. But set it to easy and be ready fro some trudging.

EDIT: Not being able to import the save doesn't really seem to matter. It comes down to how much you're interested in the setting.

I think the main difference between the games is that Geralt and Shepard are inherently different approaches to an RPG protagonist.

Geralt already exists in the books. The games pull the amnesia card but his personality seems to be mostly intact. He's the icy cool, quick-witted, knowledgable and amusingly sarcastic.  These are things that colour the dialogue and scenes where you make choices. Even if you take the very different paths open to you, Geralt's persona fits with it.

Shepard's personality is largely determined by you, and I've always thought the focus of the ME games is less about changing the central plot, but rather shaping the protagonist's personality by making various choices along the way. The games are weak, in my opinion when it predetermines aspects of your character, such as the dreams in 3.

Modifié par Tirranek, 16 mai 2012 - 11:45 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Nrieh wrote...

The games are set after the books.

You know, "Troy" is also set after the books...and so does LOtR... and so do many other filmsgames and in many cases it's more like "inspired by", then actually "based on".

Another thing (for one who read books) is that, unlike Commander Shepard, Geralt of Rivia and all his deeds and all the events and characters were "canonized" long before gaming industry noticed them. I don't understand where could any "freedom of choice" come from. It was all written down long before kindle age.

It had very well-written grotesque references to known tales (beauty and the beast, Snowhite, sleeping beauty, alladin...), by the way, not sure if any were preserved.

I meant the events covered in the games take place after the events that occur in the final book. Geralt has amnesia so that's how you get freedom of choice.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 16 mai 2012 - 11:31 .

[NRieh]

I meant the events covered in the games take place after the events that occur in the final book.Geralt has amnesia so that's how you get freedom of choice.

OUCH. Thanx for warning. It sounds even worse then worst of what I thought.

[FlamingBoy]

exactly the same experience
the witcher delivered
mass effect 3 did not

[FatalX7.0]

[crimzontearz]

no it lead me back to halo

[Leozilla]

Tirranek wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Tirranek wrote...


- Then please link me said facts, I'm interested and have obviously missed something. Especially considering that enjoyment of this game comes down to personal opinion.
- I'm glad I amaze you.
- Sure it might not have been the most accurately thought out analogy, but I certainly thought it through more than the response you gave.

I doubt that, in all honesty you're just an incompetent fool.

ooo, bringing out the personal insults ey?

Game on!

Personal strike demonstrating sign of weakness in argument. That's 1 point to me

Score 1 - 0

you won before I even started talking.

would you recomend that I get the witcer 1  for the back story or just skip it, I have 2 but it is on the 360.

I feel what BW tried with the ME series was maybe a little to much to start off with, it's a great idea to have a story that the player crafts through 3 games but at some point the writers are either going to have to have wildly different experiances by the third game (which would make dev time longer) or end up forcing every version of the protagonist into a narrow conclusion ( which undermines the whole process of the player crafting the story), I think this is what happened to ME3, and it is not so much BW fault as they were treading uncharted territory and were bound to F-up at some point. Because they built up this series on player continuity and the way they decided to end it resulted an ending that leaves the universe that everyone has become so invested in ambiguous, which was going to alienate the majority of the fanbase.

I'd say yes, because it does still have an effect. But set it to easy and be ready fro some trudging.

I think the main difference between the games is that Geralt and Shepard are inherently different approaches to an RPG protagonist.

Geralt already exists in the books. The games pull the amnesia card but his personality seems to be mostly intact. He's the icy cool, quick-witted, knowledgable and amusingly sarcastic.  These are things that colour the dialogue and scenes where you make choices. Even if you take the very different paths open to you, Geralt's persona fits with it.

Shepard's personality is largely determined by you, and I've always thought the focus of the ME games is less about changing the central plot, but rather shaping the protagonist's personality by making various choices along the way. The games are weak, in my opinion when it predetermines aspects of your character, such as the dreams in 3.

I know I hated the dream sequences, they were completely out of my Sheps personality, and that is partly what I'm trying to say about an RPG like ME, at some point the writers are going to have to force things to tell the story they want and it is going to break the continuity, you don't have that kind of problem with someone like Geralt because he has a distinct personality and when he acts a certain way as long as it is consistent with the way he has acted before there is no problem, but if you force a Shep like character to cry about a kid that died, when at every oppertunity he's been a cold SOB, it breaks down how you have made him.

this same train of thought can be applied to the stories at large, and this is were I think ME3 failed it went from being the kind of RPG where player choice determines how the story turns out to the to a more linear one

[Tirranek]

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Tirranek wrote...


- Then please link me said facts, I'm interested and have obviously missed something. Especially considering that enjoyment of this game comes down to personal opinion.
- I'm glad I amaze you.
- Sure it might not have been the most accurately thought out analogy, but I certainly thought it through more than the response you gave.

I doubt that, in all honesty you're just an incompetent fool.

ooo, bringing out the personal insults ey?

Game on!

Personal strike demonstrating sign of weakness in argument. That's 1 point to me

Score 1 - 0

you won before I even started talking.

would you recomend that I get the witcer 1  for the back story or just skip it, I have 2 but it is on the 360.

I feel what BW tried with the ME series was maybe a little to much to start off with, it's a great idea to have a story that the player crafts through 3 games but at some point the writers are either going to have to have wildly different experiances by the third game (which would make dev time longer) or end up forcing every version of the protagonist into a narrow conclusion ( which undermines the whole process of the player crafting the story), I think this is what happened to ME3, and it is not so much BW fault as they were treading uncharted territory and were bound to F-up at some point. Because they built up this series on player continuity and the way they decided to end it resulted an ending that leaves the universe that everyone has become so invested in ambiguous, which was going to alienate the majority of the fanbase.

I'd say yes, because it does still have an effect. But set it to easy and be ready fro some trudging.

I think the main difference between the games is that Geralt and Shepard are inherently different approaches to an RPG protagonist.

Geralt already exists in the books. The games pull the amnesia card but his personality seems to be mostly intact. He's the icy cool, quick-witted, knowledgable and amusingly sarcastic.  These are things that colour the dialogue and scenes where you make choices. Even if you take the very different paths open to you, Geralt's persona fits with it.

Shepard's personality is largely determined by you, and I've always thought the focus of the ME games is less about changing the central plot, but rather shaping the protagonist's personality by making various choices along the way. The games are weak, in my opinion when it predetermines aspects of your character, such as the dreams in 3.

I know I hated the dream sequences, they were completely out of my Sheps personality, and that is partly what I'm trying to say about an RPG like ME, at some point the writers are going to have to force things to tell the story they want and it is going to break the continuity, you don't have that kind of problem with someone like Geralt because he has a distinct personality and when he acts a certain way as long as it is consistent with the way he has acted before there is no problem, but if you force a Shep like character to cry about a kid that died, when at every oppertunity he's been a cold SOB, it breaks down how you have made him.

this same train of thought can be applied to the stories at large, and this is were I think ME3 failed it went from being the kind of RPG where player choice determines how the story turns out to the to a more linear one

Yeah I see what you mean. I think I was kind of lucky in that my character went through an arc from a hardened no-nonsense military commander, to opening up a bit in 2, then using the best of both in 3 to be a hard-edged diplomat. The dream sequences kind of worked because she also had the colonist background, so it wasn't a leap to imagine that she'd relate. There was soooo much more they could have done with a PTSD scenario like that though  

[FatalX7.0]

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Tirranek wrote...


- Then please link me said facts, I'm interested and have obviously missed something. Especially considering that enjoyment of this game comes down to personal opinion.
- I'm glad I amaze you.
- Sure it might not have been the most accurately thought out analogy, but I certainly thought it through more than the response you gave.

I doubt that, in all honesty you're just an incompetent fool.

ooo, bringing out the personal insults ey?

Game on!

Personal strike demonstrating sign of weakness in argument. That's 1 point to me

Score 1 - 0

you won before I even started talking.

would you recomend that I get the witcer 1  for the back story or just skip it, I have 2 but it is on the 360.

I feel what BW tried with the ME series was maybe a little to much to start off with, it's a great idea to have a story that the player crafts through 3 games but at some point the writers are either going to have to have wildly different experiances by the third game (which would make dev time longer) or end up forcing every version of the protagonist into a narrow conclusion ( which undermines the whole process of the player crafting the story), I think this is what happened to ME3, and it is not so much BW fault as they were treading uncharted territory and were bound to F-up at some point. Because they built up this series on player continuity and the way they decided to end it resulted an ending that leaves the universe that everyone has become so invested in ambiguous, which was going to alienate the majority of the fanbase.

I'd say yes, because it does still have an effect. But set it to easy and be ready fro some trudging.

I think the main difference between the games is that Geralt and Shepard are inherently different approaches to an RPG protagonist.

Geralt already exists in the books. The games pull the amnesia card but his personality seems to be mostly intact. He's the icy cool, quick-witted, knowledgable and amusingly sarcastic.  These are things that colour the dialogue and scenes where you make choices. Even if you take the very different paths open to you, Geralt's persona fits with it.

Shepard's personality is largely determined by you, and I've always thought the focus of the ME games is less about changing the central plot, but rather shaping the protagonist's personality by making various choices along the way. The games are weak, in my opinion when it predetermines aspects of your character, such as the dreams in 3.

I know I hated the dream sequences, they were completely out of my Sheps personality, and that is partly what I'm trying to say about an RPG like ME, at some point the writers are going to have to force things to tell the story they want and it is going to break the continuity, you don't have that kind of problem with someone like Geralt because he has a distinct personality and when he acts a certain way as long as it is consistent with the way he has acted before there is no problem, but if you force a Shep like character to cry about a kid that died, when at every oppertunity he's been a cold SOB, it breaks down how you have made him.

this same train of thought can be applied to the stories at large, and this is were I think ME3 failed it went from being the kind of RPG where player choice determines how the story turns out to the to a more linear one

Ohh, this, that! Right there.

I love your post.

[Leozilla]

Tirranek wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

Tirranek wrote...


- Then please link me said facts, I'm interested and have obviously missed something. Especially considering that enjoyment of this game comes down to personal opinion.
- I'm glad I amaze you.
- Sure it might not have been the most accurately thought out analogy, but I certainly thought it through more than the response you gave.

I doubt that, in all honesty you're just an incompetent fool.

ooo, bringing out the personal insults ey?

Game on!

Personal strike demonstrating sign of weakness in argument. That's 1 point to me

Score 1 - 0

you won before I even started talking.

would you recomend that I get the witcer 1  for the back story or just skip it, I have 2 but it is on the 360.

I feel what BW tried with the ME series was maybe a little to much to start off with, it's a great idea to have a story that the player crafts through 3 games but at some point the writers are either going to have to have wildly different experiances by the third game (which would make dev time longer) or end up forcing every version of the protagonist into a narrow conclusion ( which undermines the whole process of the player crafting the story), I think this is what happened to ME3, and it is not so much BW fault as they were treading uncharted territory and were bound to F-up at some point. Because they built up this series on player continuity and the way they decided to end it resulted an ending that leaves the universe that everyone has become so invested in ambiguous, which was going to alienate the majority of the fanbase.

I'd say yes, because it does still have an effect. But set it to easy and be ready fro some trudging.

I think the main difference between the games is that Geralt and Shepard are inherently different approaches to an RPG protagonist.

Geralt already exists in the books. The games pull the amnesia card but his personality seems to be mostly intact. He's the icy cool, quick-witted, knowledgable and amusingly sarcastic.  These are things that colour the dialogue and scenes where you make choices. Even if you take the very different paths open to you, Geralt's persona fits with it.

Shepard's personality is largely determined by you, and I've always thought the focus of the ME games is less about changing the central plot, but rather shaping the protagonist's personality by making various choices along the way. The games are weak, in my opinion when it predetermines aspects of your character, such as the dreams in 3.

I know I hated the dream sequences, they were completely out of my Sheps personality, and that is partly what I'm trying to say about an RPG like ME, at some point the writers are going to have to force things to tell the story they want and it is going to break the continuity, you don't have that kind of problem with someone like Geralt because he has a distinct personality and when he acts a certain way as long as it is consistent with the way he has acted before there is no problem, but if you force a Shep like character to cry about a kid that died, when at every oppertunity he's been a cold SOB, it breaks down how you have made him.

this same train of thought can be applied to the stories at large, and this is were I think ME3 failed it went from being the kind of RPG where player choice determines how the story turns out to the to a more linear one

Yeah I see what you mean. I think I was kind of lucky in that my character went through an arc from a hardened no-nonsense military commander, to opening up a bit in 2, then using the best of both in 3 to be a hard-edged diplomat. The dream sequences kind of worked because she also had the colonist background, so it wasn't a leap to imagine that she'd relate. There was soooo much more they could have done with a PTSD scenario like that though  

I think the whole dream thing would work with my main char which is a more paragon fem shep, but I didn't have all of 2's DLC so I put off with her and took my mostly renegade bro shep and it just didn't work for him

edit: I apologize for the qoute pryamid

Modifié par Leozilla, 16 mai 2012 - 11:52 .

[nitefyre410]

No it did not and while I was impressed by the Witcher 2. I was not wowed or overly impressed. Its good game and deserves all the respect.. .but some of this worship needs to stop. Its the same thing that lead Bioware to the fall that it had recently.

The real bottom line is that you are not going to be able recreate and true pen and paper RPG experience in a game format... People need to stop looking for it and get some friends together and play a Pen and Paper RPG

[Skull Bearer]

I already liked the Witcher 1 before ME3, and was going to buy Witcher 2 anyway, but I was very amused at how Projekt Red seem to be trying to appeal to the angry ME3 fans: "We don't make you pay for DLC! We re-did an entire game to correct player complaints! We totally deliver on everything we advertise!"

It's like they're treating Bioware/EA as a 'what not to do' warning.

[Tirranek]

Leozilla wrote...

I think the whole dream thing would work with my main char which is a more paragon fem shep, but I didn't have all of 2's DLC so I put off with her and took my mostly renegade bro shep and it just didn't work for him

edit: I apologize for the qoute pryamid

Yeah it's really not working for mine either. Even little things like certain end conversation responses don't quite fit. That said, I was amazed by little details such as my Earthborn Shepard saying on the Eden prime DLC that she could imagine her home city being a warzone, but not here. The reason I enjoyed 3 so much was because of these little allusions to your previous actions. For the most part it really felt like it was reflecting your character.

I'm now just interested to see if the EC DLC really makes the endings seem unique, or at least more tailored to the character you made over three games. If it can, I'll be most pleased

[Bocks]

I love that the Witcher had a lot of love and soul put into it as well as being well thought out, but I personally can't play it. That's just me, though, since I don't enjoy dark mud-and-plague medieval europe settings. Good writing, good story and definitely a good game, but not for me.

[Tirranek]

Skull Bearer wrote...

I already liked the Witcher 1 before ME3, and was going to buy Witcher 2 anyway, but I was very amused at how Projekt Red seem to be trying to appeal to the angry ME3 fans: "We don't make you pay for DLC! We re-did an entire game to correct player complaints! We totally deliver on everything we advertise!"

It's like they're treating Bioware/EA as a 'what not to do' warning.

It's the same tactic EA took with BF3 to attract people angry at Activision for bad PC support and a subscription service. Presenting something as a superior alternative will ensure you get a lot of attention. In this case it looks like it's scratching the right itch for people, but the EC is also going to be free.

[Leozilla]

Tirranek wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

I think the whole dream thing would work with my main char which is a more paragon fem shep, but I didn't have all of 2's DLC so I put off with her and took my mostly renegade bro shep and it just didn't work for him

edit: I apologize for the qoute pryamid

Yeah it's really not working for mine either. Even little things like certain end conversation responses don't quite fit. That said, I was amazed by little details such as my Earthborn Shepard saying on the Eden prime DLC that she could imagine her home city being a warzone, but not here. The reason I enjoyed 3 so much was because of these little allusions to your previous actions. For the most part it really felt like it was reflecting your character.

I'm now just interested to see if the EC DLC really makes the endings seem unique, or at least more tailored to the character you made over three games. If it can, I'll be most pleased

yeah I had that same experiance on Eden Prime, I think over all BW did a good job with the series they fumbled abit towards the end but in their defence, they were charting new territory in video games. I think maybe one more year of development time would have made the game immensely better. oh well let's hope EC fixes the endings

[nitefyre410]

Skull Bearer wrote...

I already liked the Witcher 1 before ME3, and was going to buy Witcher 2 anyway, but I was very amused at how Projekt Red seem to be trying to appeal to the angry ME3 fans: "We don't make you pay for DLC! We re-did an entire game to correct player complaints! We totally deliver on everything we advertise!"

It's like they're treating Bioware/EA as a 'what not to do' warning.

 


I can't blame them - I would be doing the same thing Bioware made themselves vunerable and the butt of every joke i now. CDPR is the first they will not be the last..