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[Ryzaki]

iamweaver wrote...
I didn't remember that the VS was offered a staff spot on Hackett's flagship. When did that happen? Was it pre-ME3, and I just missed it in the intro movie?  But even so, I'm not sure why he/she would bring it up with the Admiral. An Admiral's staff has a certain amount of communicative leeway that a normal officer of that rank wouldn't have, but I'm not sure that bringing up Shepherd would or should occur, since it would be completely outside of the scope of their duties.

And note - this assumes they are on his staff.  If they are merely crewing the ship, no way would they be chatting it up with an Admiral.  That just doesn't happen.

He/she tells you he/she was offered a spot on Hacketts' ship by Hackett himself I'm almost certain. It's right before they ask to join the crew. Well Kaidan is. I assume Ashley is the same. If their really that worried about Shep being a Cerberus mole one would think they'd go to the top to see exactly why Hackett (since they more than likely can't get in contact with Anderson) thinks that Shep isn't a risk.

The offer is as part of his staff I'm almost certain. Admiral Hackett is the one who gives them the offer. Clearly they're in contact.

roughly 1:14

Yup. Hackett himself makes the offer and it's to be part of his staff. Huh Ash's ends a bit differently than Kaidan's.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[Grimez7]

Mcfly616 wrote...

alec1898 wrote...
he gives me Carth KOTOR nostalgia.

The exact reason why I sacrifice him and not Ashley, in every playthrough I have lol


I hate Carth

Kimberly Brooks was in KOTOR as well, she just played smaller roles.

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

As for your suspicious remark. Not my fault the VS is incapable of basic intelligence gathering. They're in contact enough with Hackett for him to offer a spot on his ship but they can't be bothered to ask about Shep and Cerberus? Screw them.

Yeah, cause if there's one thing ME2 has taught us is that Alliance intel is never wrong.

Oh, wait 

[alienatedflea]

alec1898 wrote...

Well Kaidan is the ultimate wingman and he gives me Carth KOTOR nostalgia.

my reason on virmire...HOs before BROs

haha

Anyways...you can always find another better wingman...like...Garrus? Grunt? Legion? Mordin? Zaead? Wrex?

Hell even Conrad Verner is a better wingman than Kaidan...lol

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

As for your suspicious remark. Not my fault the VS is incapable of basic intelligence gathering. They're in contact enough with Hackett for him to offer a spot on his ship but they can't be bothered to ask about Shep and Cerberus? Screw them.

Yeah, cause if there's one thing ME2 has taught us is that Alliance intel is never wrong.

Oh, wait 

So instead she should stick her head in the sand throwing a hissy fit because Shep won't visit her while completely ignoring her superiors that had Shepard cleared of charges and reinistated after having him in custody for several months and not try to get information from various sources? Why yes that's clearly intelligent. :innocent:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 08:14 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

How the hell did this thread get bumped?
lol.

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

As for your suspicious remark. Not my fault the VS is incapable of basic intelligence gathering. They're in contact enough with Hackett for him to offer a spot on his ship but they can't be bothered to ask about Shep and Cerberus? Screw them.

Yeah, cause if there's one thing ME2 has taught us is that Alliance intel is never wrong.

Oh, wait 

So instead she should stick her head in the sand throwing a hissy fit because Shep won't visit her while completely ignoring her superiors that had Shepard cleared of charges and reinistated after having him in custody for several months and not try to get information from various sources? Why yes that's clearly intelligent. :innocent:

Reasonably sure it takes more than just not visiting her to make it impossible to talk her down.  It helps, of course, because being around Shepard can help convince her that TIM's not using Shep as his own personal sock puppet like those huskified Cerberus troopers.  But in the end, it's Shep's attitude (and not getting the salarian COuncilor killed) that's important.

Also:  while Shepard was reinstated, they're pretty fuzzy on what happened to the charges.  There was a tribunal of some kind, even if no court martial.  And Shep lost his rank and command.  Something happened

[iamweaver]

Ryzaki wrote...

iamweaver wrote...
I didn't
remember that the VS was offered a staff spot on Hackett's flagship.
When did that happen? Was it pre-ME3, and I just missed it in the intro
movie?  But even so, I'm not sure why he/she would bring it up with the
Admiral. An Admiral's staff has a certain amount of communicative leeway
that a normal officer of that rank wouldn't have, but I'm not sure that
bringing up Shepherd would or should occur, since it would be
completely outside of the scope of their duties.

And note - this
assumes they are on his staff.  If they are merely crewing the ship, no
way would they be chatting it up with an Admiral.  That just doesn't
happen.

He/she tells you he/she was offered a
spot on Hacketts' ship by Hackett himself I'm almost certain. It's right
before they ask to join the crew. Well Kaidan is. I assume Ashley is
the same. If their really that worried about Shep being a Cerberus mole
one would think they'd go to the top to see exactly why Hackett (since
they more than likely can't get in contact with Anderson) thinks that
Shep isn't a risk.

The offer is as part of his staff I'm almost
certain. Admiral Hackett is the one who gives them the offer. Clearly
they're in contact.

roughly 1:14

Yup. Hackett himself makes the offer and it's to be part of his staff. Huh Ash's ends a bit differently than Kaidan's.

So
you're saying that the moment that Hackett offered her a job on his
staff, she should have said, "Well, first, you need to tell me all the
Alliance Intel about Cdr. Shepherd "?  That's... not going to happen. 
Plus, it's likely that the job offer came after the assassination
attempt - because she was an acting Spectre up until that point.  So there was neither time nor ability to gather Intel.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...
Reasonably sure it takes more than just not visiting her to make it impossible to talk her down.  It helps, of course, because being around Shepard can help convince her that TIM's not using Shep as his own personal sock puppet like those huskified Cerberus troopers.  But in the end, it's Shep's attitude (and not getting the salarian COuncilor killed) that's important.

Also:  while Shepard was reinstated, they're pretty fuzzy on what happened to the charges.  There was a tribunal of some kind, even if no court martial.  And Shep lost his rank and command.  Something happened

Nope. That's all I did in the game I killed her. Just didn't visit her. (Nor Kaidan) didn't have squaddies lower their gun and welp dead. (Councilor was still alive too.)

Information that if she was really concerned about a Cerberus spy being buried next to the top of alliance command she could've gotten from Hackett. The only "information" she gets from Shepard talking to her is his word. And what evidence is that if she doesn't believe it otherwise? Oh wait...it's about her feelings not about if Shep's actually with Cerberus. I see. Clearly a logical train of thought.

That something is something she can clearly find out by asking Hackett who she clearly has contact with. It's not fuzzy! All the hell she has to do is ask.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 08:34 .

[Ryzaki]

iamweaver wrote...

So you're saying that the moment that Hackett offered her a job on his staff, she should have said, "Well, first, you need to tell me all the Alliance Intel about Cdr. Shepherd "?  That's... not going to happen.  Plus, it's likely that the job offer came after the assassination attempt - because she was an acting Spectre up until that point.  So there was neither time nor ability to gather Intel.

Why would the job offer come up right AFTER the assassination attempt? What logic is that? Hackett hears about an attempted coup and then immediately calls up the VS and says "oh by the way I wanna offer you a job?" REALLY? There's no way that could've happened beforehand? You know like after they got out the hospital and left to take care of some business? No? Hackett instead decides to give them a job right after the coup. It's far more likely Hackett offered the job beforehand.

So yes plenty of time remember they can get out of the hospital quite early (if you talk to them enough it's guaranteed they leave at least by Tuckahanka.). They weren't just in the hospital recovering when the coup comes up. So yes there would've been time. They even have an induction ceremony for their Spectrehood. I'm to believe they didn't have any contact with alliance big wigs other than Udina then?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 08:32 .

[iamweaver]

You clearly don't understand how the military works. You don't get to ask the Admiral questions. They do the asking, you do the answering. So unless you are on staff, and need clarification of orders, or information directly related to your job, you're not going to be able to corner the Admiral and chat him up, even when it's about a former CO.

It doesn't take much to get through Ashley's defensive walls. This is simulated in ME3 by providing several methods to prevent your squad from killing her - influence checks, interrupts, and previous interactions.

If you are role playing the game, then you, knowing that Ashley is a naturally suspicious character, decided to ignore suggestions by other characters to visit her. This was your call, and if there are consequences, you are partly to blame by fostering an environment that allowed the faults of the character to overcome their reasoning.

If your VS is Kaiden, I'm not so sure about how it all works out - he died for me at Vermire because I couldn't justify saving one squad rather than ensure the bomb that is the reason for the mission detonates - especially since everyone on the diversion knew that they might need to be sacrificed.

[Ryzaki]

iamweaver wrote...

You clearly don't understand how the military works. You don't get to ask the Admiral questions. They do the asking, you do the answering. So unless you are on staff, and need clarification of orders, or information directly related to your job, you're not going to be able to corner the Admiral and chat him up, even when it's about a former CO.

It doesn't take much to get through Ashley's defensive walls. This is simulated in ME3 by providing several methods to prevent your squad from killing her - influence checks, interrupts, and previous interactions.

If you are role playing the game, then you, knowing that Ashley is a naturally suspicious character, decided to ignore suggestions by other characters to visit her. This was your call, and if there are consequences, you are partly to blame by fostering an environment that allowed the faults of the character to overcome their reasoning.

If your VS is Kaiden, I'm not so sure about how it all works out - he died for me at Vermire because I couldn't justify saving one squad rather than ensure the bomb that is the reason for the mission detonates - especially since everyone on the diversion knew that they might need to be sacrificed.

So they can ask their commander questions but not Hackett? 

And actually *points at Anderson* Shep's being asking Anderson questions since ME1. Personal questions at that. Mass Effect military =/= RL Military. This has always been obvious in the series.

Oh I didn't say it was all her fault. I'm just saying my Shep sees no reason to bend over backwards to appease her for information that she can get elsewhere. He told her on Mars he wasn't working with Cerberus. If she chose not to believe him? That's on her. And the consequences of that are on her head. I just wish Shep wasn't forced to be all sad about it.

Kaidan at least doesn't tell my character the Reapers can send him to hell. He's pissed but he actually dies with some dignity.

And...you save the Salarians regardless. As long as you do 2/3 things to delay the Geth Kirahee and his people are saved.

Plus both Ash and Kaidan have squads with them. My Shep priotirizes the bomb going off. If the Geth have enough time to dismantle it everything's been for nothing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 08:46 .

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...
Nope. That's all I did in the game I killed her. Just didn't visit her. (Nor Kaidan) didn't have squaddies lower their gun and welp dead. (Councilor was still alive too.)

And how did you treat her on Mars?  Did you not even have red/blue text?

Information that if she was really concerned about a Cerberus spy being buried next to the top of alliance command she could've gotten from Hackett. The only "information" she gets from Shepard talking to her is his word. And what evidence is that? Oh wait...it's about her feelings not about if Shep's actually with Cerberus. I see. Clearly a logical train of thought.

Yes, it's about feelings.  Which no is not entirely logical.  Hunches are not logical.  Ash knew Shepard from before. Spend time with her, and she begins to trust that this is in fact Shepard, not a Cerberus puppet (again, huskified trooper)  

Heck a bit chunk of the reason why people hated Horizon was the lack of opportunity to speak with Ash/Kaidan.  That's exactly what these hospital visits are, a chance to reassure Ash that Shepard's still Shepard, not a Cerberus lackey.

That something is something she can clearly find out by asking Hackett who she clearly has contact with. It's not fuzzy! All the hell she has to do is ask.

Ash: "Hey, admiral, I've been kind of worried that Cerberus may be controling Shepard.  They seem to have Reaper tech and might be able to manipulate Shepard through his cybernetics, They might even have indoctrination tech.  I'm just not sure he's the same person as before, he keeps avoiding me...

Hackett: Shepard's fine.  There's no way a Council Spectre can go rogue.  No wait, there's no way an N7 marine can go bad no wait...Shepard's fine.  Fifth Fleet out.

Ash: Okay, I guess I can table this for now while I recover.  What can go wrong?  Is Cerberus going to start a coup here on the Citadel and send Shepard to assassinate the Council?  Hahaha!

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kaidan at least doesn't tell my character the Reapers can send him to hell. He's pissed but he actually dies with some dignity.

Doesn't he die comparing Shepard to Saren?

[iamweaver]

Ryzaki wrote...

Why would the job offer come up right AFTER the assassination attempt? What logic is that? Hackett hears about an attempted coup and then immediately calls up the VS and says "oh by the way I wanna offer you a job?" REALLY? There's no way that could've happened beforehand? You know like after they got out the hospital and left to take care of some business? No? Hackett instead decides to give them a job right after the coup. It's far more likely Hackett offered the job beforehand.

She cannot be both an active Spectre operative assigned directly to Udina, and a member of Hackett's staff.

The Hackett staff is a red herring, anyway.  A better argument that you might want to make is that she asks Hackett using her Spectre status (since she's not about to do so as a LCDR).  But even then - unless she is actively considering Shepherd as an active threat, why should she?

Let's go back to the actual situation at hand.  She's escorting the COuncil  because Cerberus has attacked the Citadel. They *know* that there are Cerberus agents trying to get up the elevators to reach them.  THen you appear from those very elevators.  She's not got much time to make a decision - and unsurprisingly, she makes the suspicious one, because you have ignored her.

[CptData]

iamweaver wrote...

You clearly don't understand how the military works. You don't get to ask the Admiral questions. They do the asking, you do the answering. So unless you are on staff, and need clarification of orders, or information directly related to your job, you're not going to be able to corner the Admiral and chat him up, even when it's about a former CO.

Indeed. That's the chain of command. Higher ranks "think and decide" for lower ranks, at least on a military level. Depending on the army, lower ranks do have some kind of freedom to reach the given objective, but they have to do it.

However, I think Shepard, Ashley and Kaidan are exceptions since they're Spectres. And especially Shepard is displayed as the leader of the Victory Fleet - at least s/he gives the attack orders. The strategy / big picture stuff is still in Hackett's hands.

It doesn't take much to get through Ashley's defensive walls. This is simulated in ME3 by providing several methods to prevent your squad from killing her - influence checks, interrupts, and previous interactions.

And if you imported a Shepard from ME1->ME2, it's really, really easy to convince Ashley to point the gun at Udina.
Technically, it's only impossible to convince her if you have low reputation and ignored her in the hospital.
It's easiest if you romanced her in ME1. Actually, in that case 90% of the tension is taken away since Ash believes Shepard right after you lowered the guns (Paragon Interrupt).

If you are role playing the game, then you, knowing that Ashley is a naturally suspicious character, decided to ignore suggestions by other characters to visit her. This was your call, and if there are consequences, you are partly to blame by fostering an environment that allowed the faults of the character to overcome their reasoning.

Yup. If you fully RP Shepard, regardless if you romanced Ash or not or even ignored her entirely, it all makes sense. And if Ash in your playthrough dies, then either because you RPed in a way to allow this event - or you were entirely careless. Take your pick.

If your VS is Kaiden, I'm not so sure about how it all works out - he died for me at Vermire because I couldn't justify saving one squad rather than ensure the bomb that is the reason for the mission detonates - especially since everyone on the diversion knew that they might need to be sacrificed.

Kaidan has the same role in that Coup and can be convinced by similar ways you have with Ash.

[Ashii6]

iakus wrote...

Ash: "Hey, admiral, I've been kind of worried that Cerberus may be controling Shepard.  They seem to have Reaper tech and might be able to manipulate Shepard through his cybernetics, They might even have indoctrination tech.  I'm just not sure he's the same person as before, he keeps avoiding me...

Hackett: Shepard's fine.  There's no way a Council Spectre can go rogue.  No wait, there's no way an N7 marine can go bad no wait...Shepard's fine.  Fifth Fleet out.

Ash: Okay, I guess I can table this for now while I recover.  What can go wrong?  Is Cerberus going to start a coup here on the Citadel and send Shepard to assassinate the Council?  Hahaha!

Oh, God. This made my day.. er.. evening. Good one, truly.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...
And how did you treat her on Mars?  Did you not even have red/blue text?

Oh I had the text my rep wasn't high enough to select it though. (Speed gaming and all that).

Yes, it's about feelings.  Which no is not entirely logical.  Hunches are not logical.  Ash knew Shepard from before. Spend time with her, and she begins to trust that this is in fact Shepard, not a Cerberus puppet (again, huskified trooper)  

Heck a bit chunk of the reason why people hated Horizon was the lack of opportunity to speak with Ash/Kaidan.  That's exactly what these hospital visits are, a chance to reassure Ash that Shepard's still Shepard, not a Cerberus lackey.

Exactly it's about feelings. Which to me and my Shep makes her "vibes" naught.

Which worked for those who wanted to be friends with her. I have no problems with the visits. It's the "Reapers send you to hell." comment that makes me roll my eyes.

Ash: "Hey, admiral, I've been kind of worried that Cerberus may be controling Shepard.  They seem to have Reaper tech and might be able to manipulate Shepard through his cybernetics, They might even have indoctrination tech.  I'm just not sure he's the same person as before, he keeps avoiding me...

Hackett: Shepard's fine.  There's no way a Council Spectre can go rogue.  No wait, there's no way an N7 marine can go bad no wait...Shepard's fine.  Fifth Fleet out.

Ash: Okay, I guess I can table this for now while I recover.  What can go wrong?  Is Cerberus going to start a coup here on the Citadel and send Shepard to assassinate the Council?  Hahaha!

Keeps avoiding me? What is she 10? She should be well aware there's a Reaper war going on and Shep might just be you know...busy trying to unify the galaxy? Naaah. Shep's clearly somewhere getting drunk. (Granted Shep can be doing that. But the point is he's not.)

...and...Hackett wouldn't even remotely say that. Hackett is renegadish enough to know people turn traitor. Especially since Kai Leng is a N7 Marine that...turned traitor to Cerberus.

As for your last bit LOL then clearly being aggressive and antagonizing to the group that has you outnumbered 3 to 1 is the smart solution. It's not like if they were actually with Cerberus they wouldn't just shoot your non-armored ass and keep it moving. Nope.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I wonder why Wrex/Wreav never gets suspicious about Shepard's Cerberus ties like VS does. See, it's rather stupid to think Shepard has anything to do with Cerberus on Mars when he's killing them all and sabotaging their entire mission.

OTOH, Shepard arrives at Sur'Kesh to extract krogan females (the only hope for their race), and the pro-human group he was working with soon follows? And if you destroy Maelon's data, both are already suspicious of you, so?

Just goes to show how the whole "VS trust" arc was crap. It makes everyone stupider.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Kaidan at least doesn't tell my character the Reapers can send him to hell. He's pissed but he actually dies with some dignity.

Doesn't he die comparing Shepard to Saren?

No. He dies saying something about it being better not to have killed the wrong man.

As I said before Kaidan's death made me feel bad. Ashley's made me wanna put a few more rounds in her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .

[Ageless Face]

OP, would you like me if I'll shoot you?

[Ryzaki]

iamweaver wrote...

She cannot be both an active Spectre operative assigned directly to Udina, and a member of Hackett's staff.

The Hackett staff is a red herring, anyway.  A better argument that you might want to make is that she asks Hackett using her Spectre status (since she's not about to do so as a LCDR).  But even then - unless she is actively considering Shepherd as an active threat, why should she?

Let's go back to the actual situation at hand.  She's escorting the COuncil  because Cerberus has attacked the Citadel. They *know* that there are Cerberus agents trying to get up the elevators to reach them.  THen you appear from those very elevators.  She's not got much time to make a decision - and unsurprisingly, she makes the suspicious one, because you have ignored her.

Since when were Spectres assigned directly to Council members? I must've missed that.

I again point to Anderson being questioned by his XO Shepard multiple times. (With little to no reprimand mind you!) before Shep becomes a Spectre. 


So...Shep's squadmates (who can include James, Garrus, Liara, a Prothean or EDI) makes sense being Cerberus operatives. *I don't know why I put Tali. She's not even available then. Derp on my part

REALLY?

Nevermind that if LIARA was a Cerberus operative they wouldn't even know about the Crucible? 


Or that they'd have plenty of opportunity to kill her and pretend Cerberus did it? *honestly it's not like Hackett would really give a damn. His reaction to them getting injured is meh you have more important things to do

Or if James was a Cerberus operative he wouldn't have damaged EVA?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:01 .

[iamweaver]

Ryzaki wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

She cannot be both an active Spectre operative assigned directly to Udina, and a member of Hackett's staff.

The Hackett staff is a red herring, anyway.  A better argument that you might want to make is that she asks Hackett using her Spectre status (since she's not about to do so as a LCDR).  But even then - unless she is actively considering Shepherd as an active threat, why should she?

Let's go back to the actual situation at hand.  She's escorting the COuncil  because Cerberus has attacked the Citadel. They *know* that there are Cerberus agents trying to get up the elevators to reach them.  THen you appear from those very elevators.  She's not got much time to make a decision - and unsurprisingly, she makes the suspicious one, because you have ignored her.

Since when were Spectres assigned directly to Council members? I must've missed that.

I again point to Anderson being questioned by his XO Shepard multiple times. (With little to no reprimand mind you!) before Shep becomes a Spectre. 

Correct.  An XO and CO are a team, working closely together.  In the modern US Navy, the XO is tasked with the day-to-day operation of the ship, unit morale,etc., and acts as a sounding board for their CO.

An Admiral is a General Staff Officer, who makes the big strategic or larger tactical decisions.  He/she has a staff to assist him, but noone like an XO. The closest equivalent to an XO is their Flag Captain (the commander of the flagship).  Even then, the role is not the same.

There's a really big divide between a General Staff officer (General/Admiral), and the ranks below it.

I realize that you might not know this, and so it wouldn't occur to you as you role play - so I'm really just providing it as general info.

Ryzaki wrote...

So...Shep's squadmates (who can include James, Garrus, Liara, a Prothean or EDI) makes sense being Cerberus operatives. *I don't know why I put Tali. She's not even available then. Derp on my part

REALLY?

Nevermind that if LIARA was a Cerberus operative they wouldn't even know about the Crucible? 


Or if James was a Cerberus operative he wouldn't have damaged EVA? 

O

Again - she's got a couple of seconds to make a decision that affects the lives of all three remaining council members. So, unsurprisingly, she goes on her instincts.  Which are to be suspicious as heck.  And it goes badly for her, unfortunately.


***EDIT:  OMG so many typos... 

Modifié par iamweaver, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[Ryzaki]

iamweaver wrote...
Correct.  An XO and CO are a team, working closely together.  In the modern US Navy, the XO is tasked with the day-to-day operation o the ship, unit morale, and acts as a sounding board for their CO.

An Admiral is a General Staff Officer, who makes the big strategic or larget tactical decisions.  Ne has a staff to assist him, but i he has the equivalent of an XO, it's usually his Flag Captain (the commander of his flagship).  Even then, the rols is not the same.

Theres a really big divide between a General Staff occicer (General.Admiral), and the ranks below it.

I realize that you might not know this, and so it wouldn't occur to you as you role play - so I'm really just providing it as general info.

...Anderson is an Admiral last I checked. So...that big divide would be there with him and Shep as much as it would be there with Hackett and Ashley.

As for ranks. ME ranks aren't the same as normal military ranks. Seeing as Ash jumps so many ranks and there's not even a bat of an eyelid.

If Hackett can bother offering Ashley a job on his staff himself I'm sure he can be bothered to entertain a few questions about Shep's loyalty (especially since Shep is in charge of the gathering of resources for the Crucible project).

Again - shes got a couple of seconds to make a decision that affects the lives of all three remaining council members. So, unsurprisingly, she goes on her instincts.  Which are to be suspicious as heck.  And it goes badky for her, unfortunately.

It's not even a couple of seconds actually. It's a good minute. And instead of telling everyone to stay still and STFU she instead listens to Udina. U-D-I-N-A. Mr. Traitor who almost killed them all in ME1. I can't respect that. At all.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juillet 2012 - 09:11 .

[CptData]

@ iamweaver
As far as I know, the CO/XO team is also created in a way both officers are not too similar, so they can give valuable input caused by different PoVs.

That's why I think Ashley is a great XO for a more paragon Shepard while Kaidan works best for a more ruthless one. Just my idea. It's sad BW never made the VS to the XO of the Normandy because it was obvious Kaidan/Ashley were intended as CO under Admiral Anderson.

You know? Anderson wanted the Normandy as his mobile strategic HQ while the VS was planned to act as CO. So the role of the VS under Commander Shepard is most likely the ship's XO.