sw04ca wrote...
I think that it is unfair to expect Ash to unconditionally take your side after you sign up with the lovechild of the Klan and the SS. She didn't get the Normandy Charm Offensive like you did, and it's also unfair of you to expect her to read your mind and understand that you're just playing along with TIM. She's seen how bad Cerberus is, and she helped you close them down. Now all of the sudden you show up and you're with them? Ashley's not an 'ends justify the means' fanatic like Garrus, nor is she a lovestruck child like Liara, nor is she a fool.
Really, I think that Ashley feels more hostile to Cerberus than any of the other squadmates. These people are using Ash's own ideology (that a strong humanity should look after themselves first and foremost), and using it as a justification for horrors. Instead of helping humanity, Cerberus is just pointless cruelty and murder.
Yeah expect both Garrus and Tali joined to help Shepard, and not Cerberus. And comparing it to real-life examples isn't "fair" either. In ME you've got gigantic machines called The Reapers that are arriving, Shepard is a hero for stopping Sovereign, and Saren. So maybe it would be logical for her to take into consideration to atleast LISTEN to what Shepard has to say, but it's just pointless crap about how she doesn't trust Cerberus and neither should Shepard, who already told Ashley she's using them, so no mind-reading required.
Like I said that Horizon part, reasonable I suppose, but then in ME3 she keeps going on and on about it. Shepard has blown up the collector base (in this example), went to Mars with her, killed tons of Cerberus soldiers (who tried to kill Shepard in the first place), saves her life, again. And then later she agrees Shepard is not with Cerberus...But no she didn't, because later it's the same crap again.
It's part the game's fault and part of the character's writer. For the game, Shepard always seemed really meek around Ashley. He never could give a speech about her either getting over it and focusing on, I don't know, the universe being destroyed? Or a longer talk about how trust goes both ways, and ranting about how I don't trust her. Or maybe even a paragon speech telling her how unreasonable she was being. But instead we got a few lines of "I understand" or "I don't want to talk about it" from Shepard.
As for the writer of the character, Ashley's trust issues should have ended shortly after Mars, instead it's her whole plot, and even people who've liked her character (not me) seem upset about that. I'm sure a LI or a friend that doesn't trust you for most of the game is a great thing to have...
I know the fact that I don't like her has something to do with what I'm saying here, but no, I honestly don't think her petty grudge against someone who saved her life twice and could have killed her at any time, during a reaper invasion is reasonable at all.
hoodaticus wrote...
Here's an analogue for the way Ash treated Shepard.
Imagine
you come home after work, and your wife's car is in the driveway plus a
beaten up rape van. As you approach the door, you find the lock broken
and the door is ajar.
You go in and hear men talking and
searching around. You grab the gun you keep under the couch by the
door, and - thinking your wife is in danger - you kill the intruders.
Then,
your wife walks in (she was at the neighbor's house having tea). She
accuses you of murder and refuses to trust you ever again. No benefit
of the doubt. No caring that what you did was ultimately for her.
She leaves you.
That is Ashley Williams.
Touché.
Modifié par Razhathael, 17 mai 2012 - 01:52 .
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