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[hoodaticus]

BP93 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Generic Screen Name wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ash... is not even a friend. Like you couldn't have used her help battling the Reapers on the one hand and in a cold war with Cerberus on the other. You were pressed on all sides and hurtling yourself through the very gates of death at Omega 4, and where was Ash in all this?

Not going AWOL on a terrorist vessel.

Good point, but she didn't need to be a big floppy donkey dick about it.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. As if Kaidan were any better?

Did you read the email on the private terminal afterwards?

Bueller?

Did you play Mass Effect 3?  Kinda reflects on how she truly felt - and completely contradicts the letter.

[malakim2099]

Actually with the ending...I'd say her curse worked.

[Razhathael]

BP93 wrote...

Razhathael wrote...

BP93 wrote...

It's easy to tell who didn't even bother to pay any sort of attention to her character in ME1 just by reading this thread. Some serious ignorance.

Point some out will you, I get the feeling you're just saying that because you dislike people who hate Ashley. I may argue of Ashley being petty, but I don't hate the people liking her. I'm arguing about her being unreasonable and untrusting, at all times. Unless you refer to those going "I hate ashley, wish I killed her in ME" in which case, those aren't really arguing anything.

People who dislike certain characters are well within their right to do so. I don't particularly care for a few them over the course of three games but I don't discredit them either. It's annoying to read the ignorant comments everywhere about her character even if the thread is supposed to be a positive one, there is always people calling her a alien hater, she killed Wrex so I left her on Virmire...blah blah blah. I realize her character isn't a universally loved one like Garrus so I understand there's going to be more "haters" but it doesn't change the fact.

If you actually take the time and pay attention to her character, your opinion might change.

I understand, but what you have to understand is a lot of people simply don't think too deeply on it. If they really don't like Ashley, that's that. For example let's say they make the mistake of not doing Wrex's armor quest and Ashley shows up and kills Wrex. At that moment, they pay attention to the extra unnecessary shots fired when she kills one of their favorite characters like it was nothing. Sure, she saved the player's life, but in most eyes, combined with never really liking her anyway, they get pissed off, and won't care about how deep her life philosophy goes.

I'm not saying I agree with them, but at that point most propably never could like her afterwards. But I totally agree posts like that are pointless, but I'm saying you shouldn't take them too seriously, since it's an entirely different viewpoint. If that made any sense.

[BP93]

hoodaticus wrote...

BP93 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Generic Screen Name wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ash... is not even a friend. Like you couldn't have used her help battling the Reapers on the one hand and in a cold war with Cerberus on the other. You were pressed on all sides and hurtling yourself through the very gates of death at Omega 4, and where was Ash in all this?

Not going AWOL on a terrorist vessel.

Good point, but she didn't need to be a big floppy donkey dick about it.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. As if Kaidan were any better?

Did you read the email on the private terminal afterwards?

Bueller?

Did you play Mass Effect 3?  Kinda reflects on how she truly felt - and completely contradicts the letter.

I did, however I don't feel the same way. Care to explain how you feel it's a contradiction? She doesn't say "hey its ok to work for cerberus my bad" in the letter. She just regrets how she confronted you and if you romanced her, there's a nice sentiment there too.

[Computron2000]

kathic wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

A few things. First i am not the OP and never got the go to hell from her but i never liked her since ME1 and i like refusing her permission to get on the ship. Second, being on a mission to evac the councilers means you should be using your brains not your heart. Ashley never needed to trust Shepard, she just needed to use her brain and weigh the costs and effects (stop Udina vs don't stop Udina). She failed pretty badly.

The worst is when your squad is comprised of Tali or Garrus since apparently getting to know them from ME1 means nothing to Ashley and the entire lot are mind controlled zombies. If it was Liara, it was even worse since she was part of the squad that rescued Ashley's sorry ass from Mars. Apparently them zombies didn't execute her (easily done throwing her unconscious body down the ravine) and blame it on being KIA because they wanted her to trick her. Does that sound in anyway plausible?

As far as the squad members go I will attribute that to not having the resources to create a game that would be that inculsive. What if the situation had been reverse? Would you as Shepard stand down and allow a possible Cerberus Ashley to kill the council?

In the situation of Ashley leading a squad of 2 and i'm trapped in the top of the building but somehow i'm not shot yet (3 dangerous people vs 1 dangerous person is a no brainer on who wins), i would do the same thing i suggested. Clunk Udina on the head, ask the asari to drag him behind cover, tell Ashley we will trash this out later and that she should take cover on the left of the door while i and the other 3 take the right.

If the person who walks through the door is Cerebrus, obviously Ashley was telling the truth. If the person who walks though the door is Bailey and Ashley starts shooting Bailey, then i would be very suspicious and tell both to stand down, shooting them both as required. If Ashley does not shoot Bailey and the scene happens as in the game, then Ashley is obvious no Cerebrus soldier.

[Made Nightwing]

hoodaticus wrote...

Generic Screen Name wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ash... is not even a friend. Like you couldn't have used her help battling the Reapers on the one hand and in a cold war with Cerberus on the other. You were pressed on all sides and hurtling yourself through the very gates of death at Omega 4, and where was Ash in all this?

Not going AWOL on a terrorist vessel.

Good point, but she didn't need to be a big floppy donkey dick about it.

But if Ashley had joined me, she wouldn't be the first member of a military at war with Cerberus to drop everything to join up because she cared so much for me.

She didn't have to go AWOL to join up.  She didn't even have to join up.  But I could have used her trust and moral support as I'm surrounded by demons and diving headfirst into hell.

 No...you showed up AWOL on a vessel owned and operated by a terrorist organisation. Shepard has no credibility in this situation at all. If Ash had joined up she would have been court-martialled and executed for treason.

Then Shepard turns up again, and he's pointing a gun at a human councillor. Granted, the guy's a bit of a dick, but he's a consistent dick. If Shepard hasn't bothered explaining himself he doesn't deserve trust. Again, he destroyed his own credibility by working with Cerberus, regardless of what happened to the base.

[kathic]

Computron2000 wrote...

kathic wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

A few things. First i am not the OP and never got the go to hell from her but i never liked her since ME1 and i like refusing her permission to get on the ship. Second, being on a mission to evac the councilers means you should be using your brains not your heart. Ashley never needed to trust Shepard, she just needed to use her brain and weigh the costs and effects (stop Udina vs don't stop Udina). She failed pretty badly.

The worst is when your squad is comprised of Tali or Garrus since apparently getting to know them from ME1 means nothing to Ashley and the entire lot are mind controlled zombies. If it was Liara, it was even worse since she was part of the squad that rescued Ashley's sorry ass from Mars. Apparently them zombies didn't execute her (easily done throwing her unconscious body down the ravine) and blame it on being KIA because they wanted her to trick her. Does that sound in anyway plausible?

As far as the squad members go I will attribute that to not having the resources to create a game that would be that inculsive. What if the situation had been reverse? Would you as Shepard stand down and allow a possible Cerberus Ashley to kill the council?

In the situation of Ashley leading a squad of 2 and i'm trapped in the top of the building but somehow i'm not shot yet (3 dangerous people vs 1 dangerous person is a no brainer on who wins), i would do the same thing i suggested. Clunk Udina on the head, ask the asari to drag him behind cover, tell Ashley we will trash this out later and that she should take cover on the left of the door while i and the other 3 take the right.

If the person who walks through the door is Cerebrus, obviously Ashley was telling the truth. If the person who walks though the door is Bailey and Ashley starts shooting Bailey, then i would be very suspicious and tell both to stand down, shooting them both as required. If Ashley does not shoot Bailey and the scene happens as in the game, then Ashley is obvious no Cerebrus soldier.

Unless she shoots all of them when you go to knock Udina out.

[Generic Screen Name]

Razhathael wrote...

they pay attention to the extra unnecessary shots fired when she kills one of their favorite characters

The shots WERE necessary. Do you not remember fighting Krogan in the first game?

[hoodaticus]

D24O wrote...

She was pretty quick to turn her gun on Udina for my Shepard. Just saying.

Hmm.  Maybe my memory is tainted by how profusely she apologized for it later.

Honestly, her apologies are what made me start to question the depth of her devotion to me for the first time.

My next playthrough - after a dozen playthroughs staying loyal to her and never dating anyone else in the history of the series - I had decided she wasn't good enough for me.  I determined to be a player and bang as many different characters as possible.

That's when I discovered Liara, in the Lair of the Shadow Broker, was the one who loved me most in the entire world.  She seriously puts Ash's love to shame in every way.

I wish it weren't true, because Ash is otherwise perfect for Shepard.  She can give him human children and - for my Shepard - she at least believes in God.

Hello!  Haven't you people looked out a window?

[Razhathael]

Generic Screen Name wrote...

Razhathael wrote...

they pay attention to the extra unnecessary shots fired when she kills one of their favorite characters

The shots WERE necessary. Do you not remember fighting Krogan in the first game?

I guess, not the point anyway, the person I was describing there will think otherwise.

[Computron2000]

kathic wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

kathic wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

A few things. First i am not the OP and never got the go to hell from her but i never liked her since ME1 and i like refusing her permission to get on the ship. Second, being on a mission to evac the councilers means you should be using your brains not your heart. Ashley never needed to trust Shepard, she just needed to use her brain and weigh the costs and effects (stop Udina vs don't stop Udina). She failed pretty badly.

The worst is when your squad is comprised of Tali or Garrus since apparently getting to know them from ME1 means nothing to Ashley and the entire lot are mind controlled zombies. If it was Liara, it was even worse since she was part of the squad that rescued Ashley's sorry ass from Mars. Apparently them zombies didn't execute her (easily done throwing her unconscious body down the ravine) and blame it on being KIA because they wanted her to trick her. Does that sound in anyway plausible?

As far as the squad members go I will attribute that to not having the resources to create a game that would be that inculsive. What if the situation had been reverse? Would you as Shepard stand down and allow a possible Cerberus Ashley to kill the council?

In the situation of Ashley leading a squad of 2 and i'm trapped in the top of the building but somehow i'm not shot yet (3 dangerous people vs 1 dangerous person is a no brainer on who wins), i would do the same thing i suggested. Clunk Udina on the head, ask the asari to drag him behind cover, tell Ashley we will trash this out later and that she should take cover on the left of the door while i and the other 3 take the right.

If the person who walks through the door is Cerebrus, obviously Ashley was telling the truth. If the person who walks though the door is Bailey and Ashley starts shooting Bailey, then i would be very suspicious and tell both to stand down, shooting them both as required. If Ashley does not shoot Bailey and the scene happens as in the game, then Ashley is obvious no Cerebrus soldier.

Unless she shoots all of them when you go to knock Udina out.

There's a reason i said "somehow i'm not shot yet" because being outnumbered 3 to 1 and with the 3 at least on the same level of capability as you, means that they haven't killed everyone for a reason.

Capturing them is not a reason because Shepard as the sole bodyguard should then have been shot already. Simply train your weapon on the 3 (even though i really see little chance of preventing the deaths of the councilers or dying if the 3 attacked) while clunking Udina. If Udina pulls a weapon, then he has partially proven what Ashley said on Udina being a traitor and shooting him as needed is then part of the tactical situation

Modifié par Computron2000, 17 mai 2012 - 02:48 .

[Generic Screen Name]

Razhathael wrote...

I guess, not the point anyway, the person I was describing there will think otherwise.

Then the person you're describing is a dolt.

[sw04ca]

nitefyre410 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
yeah thats a crappy analogue... considering that  last she saw shepard .. He was spaced and now he pops working for a know Terrorist Orginaztions...    Cause you know people come back from the dead all time ...even in Comic  Books... When the dead come back they  get the third degree until they are found not to be a clone, evil AU   copy , Skrull or Doombot.

That's true.  Another reason she's right to be wary is the probability that Shepard is a Doombot.

  
I sense scarasm but  I think ya might be missing the point that I was making ... I saying she should be weary of Shepard not REALLY  being  Shepard and being just a clever ploy.

Then again clever ploy by Vilians and Bioware don't go in the same sentence.

No, I think your point is legit.  It even gets a bit of a mention is ME3.  Is Shepard really Shepard?

[hoodaticus]

Made Nightwing wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Generic Screen Name wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ash... is not even a friend. Like you couldn't have used her help battling the Reapers on the one hand and in a cold war with Cerberus on the other. You were pressed on all sides and hurtling yourself through the very gates of death at Omega 4, and where was Ash in all this?

Not going AWOL on a terrorist vessel.

Good point, but she didn't need to be a big floppy donkey dick about it.

But if Ashley had joined me, she wouldn't be the first member of a military at war with Cerberus to drop everything to join up because she cared so much for me.

She didn't have to go AWOL to join up.  She didn't even have to join up.  But I could have used her trust and moral support as I'm surrounded by demons and diving headfirst into hell.

 No...you showed up AWOL on a vessel owned and operated by a terrorist organisation. Shepard has no credibility in this situation at all. If Ash had joined up she would have been court-martialled and executed for treason.

Then Shepard turns up again, and he's pointing a gun at a human councillor. Granted, the guy's a bit of a dick, but he's a consistent dick. If Shepard hasn't bothered explaining himself he doesn't deserve trust. Again, he destroyed his own credibility by working with Cerberus, regardless of what happened to the base.

Point: missing it.

Shepard is a Spectre and cannot be AWOL.  She could have asked to join, and Spectre Shepard would have gotten her.  That was the point.  There would have been no AWOL.  Tali was not AWOL when she joined.  She's in the exact same boat as Ashley - except Shepard can actually pull strings given that every Alliance mission he did since becoming a Spectre was a favor and not an order.

He has nuclear blackmail on the Alliance - if you're a war hero.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 17 mai 2012 - 02:57 .

[Razhathael]

Generic Screen Name wrote...

Razhathael wrote...

I guess, not the point anyway, the person I was describing there will think otherwise.

Then the person you're describing is a dolt.

No, not all. And I don't think it's that unreasonable in that shocking moment to see Ashley's unhesitating shooting of Wrex 4 times as spite instead of practicality. Sure they'll get it a while later, but they're not going to hate Ashley any less afterwards.

What was that about seeing other's viewpoints again? There I go, do one post sort of agreeing with some of the hate for her being irrational, and someone goes ahead and picks a small pointless detail to argue about anyway.

EDIT: Anyway, will look forward to checking up on this thread's posts tomorrow, provided it doesn't end up in a flame-war and get locked.

Modifié par Razhathael, 17 mai 2012 - 02:59 .

[Malanek]

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
yeah thats a crappy analogue... considering that  last she saw shepard .. He was spaced and now he pops working for a know Terrorist Orginaztions...    Cause you know people come back from the dead all time ...even in Comic  Books... When the dead come back they  get the third degree until they are found not to be a clone, evil AU   copy , Skrull or Doombot.

That's true.  Another reason she's right to be wary is the probability that Shepard is a Doombot.

  
I sense scarasm but  I think ya might be missing the point that I was making ... I saying she should be weary of Shepard not REALLY  being  Shepard and being just a clever ploy.

Then again clever ploy by Vilians and Bioware don't go in the same sentence.

No, I think your point is legit.  It even gets a bit of a mention is ME3.  Is Shepard really Shepard?

Actually there is some truth in this. Not so much a doombot, or not actually being Shepard, but the fact that TIM gets Shepard to shoot Anderson at the end shows that there was some form of control. Ashley shouldn't be expected to know that Shepard would be able to overcome it. So she has a right to be suspicious about whether Cerberus is controlling him.

[hoodaticus]

Malanek999 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
yeah thats a crappy analogue... considering that  last she saw shepard .. He was spaced and now he pops working for a know Terrorist Orginaztions...    Cause you know people come back from the dead all time ...even in Comic  Books... When the dead come back they  get the third degree until they are found not to be a clone, evil AU   copy , Skrull or Doombot.

That's true.  Another reason she's right to be wary is the probability that Shepard is a Doombot.

  
I sense scarasm but  I think ya might be missing the point that I was making ... I saying she should be weary of Shepard not REALLY  being  Shepard and being just a clever ploy.

Then again clever ploy by Vilians and Bioware don't go in the same sentence.

No, I think your point is legit.  It even gets a bit of a mention is ME3.  Is Shepard really Shepard?

Actually there is some truth in this. Not so much a doombot, or not actually being Shepard, but the fact that TIM gets Shepard to shoot Anderson at the end shows that there was some form of control. Ashley shouldn't be expected to know that Shepard would be able to overcome it. So she has a right to be suspicious about whether Cerberus is controlling him.

And when did Cerberus resurrect Anderson, whom they also controlled?

[Malanek]

hoodaticus wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
yeah thats a crappy analogue... considering that  last she saw shepard .. He was spaced and now he pops working for a know Terrorist Orginaztions...    Cause you know people come back from the dead all time ...even in Comic  Books... When the dead come back they  get the third degree until they are found not to be a clone, evil AU   copy , Skrull or Doombot.

That's true.  Another reason she's right to be wary is the probability that Shepard is a Doombot.

  
I sense scarasm but  I think ya might be missing the point that I was making ... I saying she should be weary of Shepard not REALLY  being  Shepard and being just a clever ploy.

Then again clever ploy by Vilians and Bioware don't go in the same sentence.

No, I think your point is legit.  It even gets a bit of a mention is ME3.  Is Shepard really Shepard?

Actually there is some truth in this. Not so much a doombot, or not actually being Shepard, but the fact that TIM gets Shepard to shoot Anderson at the end shows that there was some form of control. Ashley shouldn't be expected to know that Shepard would be able to overcome it. So she has a right to be suspicious about whether Cerberus is controlling him.

And when did Cerberus resurrect Anderson, whom they also controlled?

We don't know how he was being controlled. Perhaps they slipped something into his office or it was exposure to Paul Grayson.

[Generic Screen Name]

I hate this damn browser...

Modifié par Generic Screen Name, 17 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[Made Nightwing]

hoodaticus wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Generic Screen Name wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Ash... is not even a friend. Like you couldn't have used her help battling the Reapers on the one hand and in a cold war with Cerberus on the other. You were pressed on all sides and hurtling yourself through the very gates of death at Omega 4, and where was Ash in all this?

Not going AWOL on a terrorist vessel.

Good point, but she didn't need to be a big floppy donkey dick about it.

But if Ashley had joined me, she wouldn't be the first member of a military at war with Cerberus to drop everything to join up because she cared so much for me.

She didn't have to go AWOL to join up.  She didn't even have to join up.  But I could have used her trust and moral support as I'm surrounded by demons and diving headfirst into hell.

 No...you showed up AWOL on a vessel owned and operated by a terrorist organisation. Shepard has no credibility in this situation at all. If Ash had joined up she would have been court-martialled and executed for treason.

Then Shepard turns up again, and he's pointing a gun at a human councillor. Granted, the guy's a bit of a dick, but he's a consistent dick. If Shepard hasn't bothered explaining himself he doesn't deserve trust. Again, he destroyed his own credibility by working with Cerberus, regardless of what happened to the base.

Point: missing it.

Shepard is a Spectre and cannot be AWOL.  She could have asked to join, and Spectre Shepard would have gotten her.  That was the point.  There would have been no AWOL.  Tali was not AWOL when she joined.  She's in the exact same boat as Ashley - except Shepard can actually pull strings given that every Alliance mission he did since becoming a Spectre was a favor and not an order.

He has nuclear blackmail on the Alliance - if you're a war hero.

Bigger picture: you are missing it.

Working with Cerberus, a terrorist organisation is a treasonous offence, even to the Council. Considering that the Alliance generally doesn't care about Shepard's Spectre status, and only grudgingly accepts his immunity (see Mikhailovich), arrest warrants are out for Miranda and Jacob, Ken and Gabby are under investigation, Joker was under house arrest, etc.

Tali was given special permission by the Admiralty to join Shepard's crew. Ashley would never have been granted that permition. If the Alliance and the Council barely tolerated Shepard's action, Ashley would have found herself stripped of rank and in the stockade faster than I can say 'destroy Shepard's precious evidence'.

[frylock23]

hoodaticus wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

I think that it is unfair to expect Ash to unconditionally take your side after you sign up with the lovechild of the Klan and the SS. She didn't get the Normandy Charm Offensive like you did, and it's also unfair of you to expect her to read your mind and understand that you're just playing along with TIM. She's seen how bad Cerberus is, and she helped you close them down. Now all of the sudden you show up and you're with them? Ashley's not an 'ends justify the means' fanatic like Garrus, nor is she a lovestruck child like Liara, nor is she a fool.

Really, I think that Ashley feels more hostile to Cerberus than any of the other squadmates. These people are using Ash's own ideology (that a strong humanity should look after themselves first and foremost), and using it as a justification for horrors. Instead of helping humanity, Cerberus is just pointless cruelty and murder.

All of that is completely countered by your destruction of the Collector Base and the return of the Normandy to the alliance.  She is fully aware of both of those events.  She is fully aware that I willingly handed myself in to stand trial for Arrival.

I saved the galactic council at the cost of human lives... in her very presence.  I chose her over Kaidan.  I rescued her from the Reapers - twice!

Trust and love are tested in fire.  She has been weighed in the scales, and I find her wanting.

If she had not been the love of my life, I would have expected less of her, as I did with Chief Engineer Adams.

I expect more from my love than I do from strangers.  She treated me no better than a stranger.

I've also always wondered just how long Cerberus had been circulating rumors that you were working with them before you actually start to. Part of me thinks that it was part of TIM's plan to keep you working with him instead of running off to the Alliance at the first opportunity. He had his agents start planting rumors that you were alive and actively working with Cerberus well in advance of you actually doing so. Such a move would be designed to drive off any Alliance loyal friends Shepard had and create situations that made it very difficult for Shep to find any sympathy when Shep did go looking for them.

What happens? Everyone that trusted you from before like Anderson and the VS treat you with a heavy dose of distrust. It's worse for the VS because that person thought you loved them as much as they loved you on top them having spent all that time grieving for you. And yet, here you are apparently running around happily working for terrorists and blithely not even speaking to them. What are they to think when you show up on Horizon and their worst fears and suspicions seem to be true? 1.) You are working for Cerberus, and 2.) You really must not have loved them as much as they loved you.

So, it's not just issues of trust that they're talking about on Mars, but also issues of love. And it really sucks that you can't get a proper resolution conversation about it all until the Cerberus base where the evidence of what actually happened during those two years comes out, and the VS (if you happen to have them with you) reacts in shock. They clearly had absolutely no idea what you really underwent in that time frame. 

Modifié par frylock23, 17 mai 2012 - 03:55 .

[Generic Screen Name]

Razhathael wrote...

No, not all. And I don't think it's that unreasonable in that shocking moment to see Ashley's unhesitating shooting of Wrex 4 times as spite instead of practicality. Sure they'll get it a while later, but they're not going to hate Ashley any less afterwards.

Except, they don't "get it". I've seen plenty of people try to use the number of shots fired as evidence of her supposed racism (lol).

Razhathael wrote...

What was that about seeing other's viewpoints again? There I go, do one post sort of agreeing with some of the hate for her being irrational, and someone goes ahead and picks a small pointless detail to argue about anyway.

I only skimmed through your post and that stood out, because I've seen it brought up so many times before. However, I jumped the gun and may have been overly hostile, so as penance I will kill myself in the most disgusting way imaginable. By the time you read this post I will be gone from the world.

[nitefyre410]

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
yeah thats a crappy analogue... considering that  last she saw shepard .. He was spaced and now he pops working for a know Terrorist Orginaztions...    Cause you know people come back from the dead all time ...even in Comic  Books... When the dead come back they  get the third degree until they are found not to be a clone, evil AU   copy , Skrull or Doombot.

That's true.  Another reason she's right to be wary is the probability that Shepard is a Doombot.

  
I sense scarasm but  I think ya might be missing the point that I was making ... I saying she should be weary of Shepard not REALLY  being  Shepard and being just a clever ploy.

Then again clever ploy by Vilians and Bioware don't go in the same sentence.

No, I think your point is legit.  It even gets a bit of a mention is ME3.  Is Shepard really Shepard?

  

Oh Sorry my bad..

[RockSW]

alec1898 wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

That's why I saved Kaidan. Bros before hoes man.

True dat. ^

[hoodaticus]

Generic Screen Name wrote...
I only skimmed through your post and that stood out, because I've seen it brought up so many times before. However, I jumped the gun and may have been overly hostile, so as penance I will kill myself in the most disgusting way imaginable.

If you're thinking what I'm thinking, then be careful.  You can still get pregnant that way - even after you're dead - even if you're not a woman.