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[Wang Lightning]

That was a way, way more impassioned post than anything relating to FBW/G/G deserves...

[OniGanon]

If they fix it, the farmers will either learn how to play or fail repeatedly and go back to Silver where they belong. Don't see a problem here.

[Distilled Poison]

@Marshy-

Oh yeah, sure, they'll give up the 70k matches just because they can't play FBW. They'll be so destroyed they'll just go right back to 15/30k matches. Yes. Definitely.

[Distilled Poison]

"If they fix it, the farmers will either learn how to play or fail repeatedly"

You don't honestly believe FBW is the only farmable stage, do you? Really? Like I said, it's just the most popular.

[haisho]

marshalleck wrote...

or most of them **** off back to bronze and silver and leave decent people playing real gold matches

That's the ideal outcome if any changes to farming on Gold is made...but those people are far more likely to subscribe to the Jacob School of Thinking if farming ever stops being universally viable.

"Heavy risk...but the priiiiiiiize!"

Unfortunately, there are maps like Hydra or Dagger that work for farming just as well, if not better.

Modifié par haisho, 16 mai 2012 - 03:54 .

[Sdrol117]

People in this thread are filled with pure ignorance, it's funny.

[X Alastar X]

Poison understands. +1

[MissMinaethiel]

People only farm cause of the store system. Messing with spawns or enemy frequency isn't going to do anything.

[zthemutt]

to be on the safe side- if they do actually affect the migration of farmers to public gold randoms, brace for a lot of threads with "sick of playing with scrubs/noobs/etc" soon. at least until the next farming map gains the attention of the farmers. then brace for "change the spawn of x" or "fix xmap, xfaction gold plz because I can't make my own lobby"

[Johnsen1972]

OMG iTz R3PT4R wrote...

...cool story.

But seriously - what was the actual point of this thread?

to show everyone that he is L33t. Just guessing...

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I'd rather they focus on fixing bugs and making the underpowered classes better. Somebody is always going to figure out the most effective way to run a map safely.

[marshalleck]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Marshy-

Oh yeah, sure, they'll give up the 70k matches just because they can't play FBW. They'll be so destroyed they'll just go right back to 15/30k matches. Yes. Definitely.

Not that I really care either way. I'm enjoying Diablo 3 now, and since Bioware aren't interested in maintaining ME3 MP anymore, well, whatever. 

[A Wild Snorlax]

There are other maps that are retardedly easy to farm geth with decoys on too. Glacier, Giant, Condor and even hydra comes to mind.

If they ''fix'' FBW geth the farmers are just going to find a new way to farm, it's not exactly hard.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 16 mai 2012 - 03:59 .

[UEG Donkey]

I just get pissed that a random random gold search always sends me to fbwgg until I open my own lobby and wait the 20 minutes to get three Randy's heck I don't even initiate kicks anymore.

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 16 mai 2012 - 04:02 .

[D4rk50ul808]

Guess what. Half of the people who complain about farming are the ones who stink it up in my random random gold games. Who cares what people do it doesn't affect you AT ALL, except that you have an ego and seeing someone leveling/gaining weapons faster than you somehow makes you rage. Get over it and get better. The last thing I want is for all those people to start joining my games because they can't use their strategy anymore. I thought the XP increase for random was a good enough fix to the problem, but apparently when mobs of trolls get together the only acceptable outcome is fire and brimstone.

Every map is a farm fest at the current difficulty level, hell most of the better players have resorted to creating challenges to keep it interesting. If some guy wants to farm using an easy strategy so he can get a gun that he saw someone using more power to him, its his free time to waste.

EDIT: Try fixing this one trolls.

Firebase Glacier / Geth

Setup in the downstairs area with two behind the right side counter, salarian engineer on the left side L putting decoy directly in the middle of the ramp down.  One player roams back and forth.  The ammo box is situated right between you and you cannot be flanked, a million times safer than FBW.  Hack objective in lower hall just put decoy on landing pad, have someone at small counter to the opposite side to grab the incoming gethtards.  Hack at the top put decoy in main room while using small corner counter as cover, rest of team covers landing pad.

Firebase Giant / Geth/Cerberus

Hold down the landing zone area.  One person (hunter mode helps) watches the room with the ladder straight ahead of where you land, engineer in middle cover with decoy in the middle of openings, other two grab cover behind him and blast everything.   Cannot be flanked and ammo is a safe zone.

Firebase Hydra / Geth/Cerberus

Hold down the control room (blue orb) with one person watching the back, engineer decoy in the front and two people behind center console to focus fire.  Easy.

Firebase Ghost / Any

Hold down the very back area with the ammo box in the corner of the room next to a ladder.  Two people outside to the left behind the L shaped cover, decoy in middle of room between ladder/hall/stairs, engineer + 1 hold down that area.

Firebase Condor / Geth/Cerberus

From landing area have engineer go left and take cover next to ammo box placing decoy in middle of path.  One teammate remains near entrance to landing pad to shoot both directions, 2 teammates use bunker to the right as you exit landing area.  Watch the top bunker with a sniper, easy.

Firebase Dagger / Geth/Cerberus

One player is at ammo box opposite of the one behind the circular room, aiming down into the open area in the middle.  One player on each of the left/right halls with one in the middle windows.  Camp and win.

Firebase Reactor / Geth/Cerberus

Head to the opposite side of the map.  2 People take cover looking down the reactor core, engineer is to the left in front of the ammo box with decoy centered between ramp up and walkway to the left.  Take appropriate cover and destroy.



Did I miss any?  I can find someone to make videos so that everyone can look them up on youtube and then you can try to convince Bioware to nerf the entire game, or you can just learn to deal with it.  This isn't rage this is someone who thinks it is insane that people think they have the right to tell people how to spend their time playing a game THEY paid for.

Another Edit: I highly recommend you do what I have done, make some friends.  We don't camp, we don't farm, we do speed runs, discuss build and character team makeups, and run around like lunatics while we massacre Gold.  Before you know it you have 30+ people on your friends list and the game only accommidates 4, your friends meet each other and become friends, and everyone always has 3 competent and fun people to play with.

Modifié par D4rk50ul808, 16 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[Ares Caesar]

Honestly, I think you're overreacting. None of us really know what the change will be, but to really stop FBW:G:G you'd need to change where enemies spawn and even perhaps how Geth fight from a tactical standpoint (basically they'd have to stop acting like Terminators).

From the sound of things its just going to likely change the variety of Geth that spawn, nothing more, and while that might make objective waves more difficult its still not going to be enough to stop FBW farming.

Way too much overreacting as usual.

[Nereithr]

I enjoy FBWGG from time to time. Everyone knows what they are doing and i am not in the condition to carry three people. Two with my friend at most.

However, the farming part is retarded. Why play it a quadrillion times in a row? Hate searching for it and find it three times in a row.

Maybe you are right, and the same will happen to hydra-the map is ****** easy when it comes to kiting enemies.

[sydsyrious]

Rage is strong in this one.

[Distilled Poison]

"its still not going to be enough to stop FBW farming."

That's part of my point. Either what they're doing is a waste of time and does nothing when they should be balancing/fixing bugs, or they heavily alter FBW farming and the farmers spread.

[X Alastar X]

Yes why do something multiple times in a row? Thats all me3 mp is. Repetition. Sure you change what the enemies look like and the surroundings but its still the same thing over and over and over etc. Just sayin lol

[WaffleCrab]

They are only making changes to the geth enemies that spawn on gold, so most likely some AI change, not even a spawn spot change = nothing changes. you just might need 2 engineers instead of 1. so this thread pretty much is pointless

[WaffleCrab]

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

Guess what. Half of the people who complain about farming are the ones who stink it up in my random random gold games. Who cares what people do it doesn't affect you AT ALL, except that you have an ego and seeing someone leveling/gaining weapons faster than you somehow makes you rage. Get over it and get better. The last thing I want is for all those people to start joining my games because they can't use their strategy anymore. I thought the XP increase for random was a good enough fix to the problem, but apparently when mobs of trolls get together the only acceptable outcome is fire and brimstone.

Every map is a farm fest at the current difficulty level, hell most of the better players have resorted to creating challenges to keep it interesting. If some guy wants to farm using an easy strategy so he can get a gun that he saw someone using more power to him, its his free time to waste.

EDIT: Try fixing this one trolls.

Firebase Glacier / Geth

Setup in the downstairs area with two behind the right side counter, salarian engineer on the left side L putting decoy directly in the middle of the ramp down.  One player roams back and forth.  The ammo box is situated right between you and you cannot be flanked, a million times safer than FBW.  Hack objective in lower hall just put decoy on landing pad, have someone at small counter to the opposite side to grab the incoming gethtards.  Hack at the top put decoy in main room while using small corner counter as cover, rest of team covers landing pad.

Firebase Giant / Geth/Cerberus

Hold down the landing zone area.  One person (hunter mode helps) watches the room with the ladder straight ahead of where you land, engineer in middle cover with decoy in the middle of openings, other two grab cover behind him and blast everything.   Cannot be flanked and ammo is a safe zone.

Firebase Hydra / Geth/Cerberus

Hold down the control room (blue orb) with one person watching the back, engineer decoy in the front and two people behind center console to focus fire.  Easy.

Firebase Ghost / Any

Hold down the very back area with the ammo box in the corner of the room next to a ladder.  Two people outside to the left behind the L shaped cover, decoy in middle of room between ladder/hall/stairs, engineer + 1 hold down that area.

Firebase Condor / Geth/Cerberus

From landing area have engineer go left and take cover next to ammo box placing decoy in middle of path.  One teammate remains near entrance to landing pad to shoot both directions, 2 teammates use bunker to the right as you exit landing area.  Watch the top bunker with a sniper, easy.

Firebase Dagger / Geth/Cerberus

One player is at ammo box opposite of the one behind the circular room, aiming down into the open area in the middle.  One player on each of the left/right halls with one in the middle windows.  Camp and win.

Firebase Reactor / Geth/Cerberus

Head to the opposite side of the map.  2 People take cover looking down the reactor core, engineer is to the left in front of the ammo box with decoy centered between ramp up and walkway to the left.  Take appropriate cover and destroy.



Did I miss any?  I can find someone to make videos so that everyone can look them up on youtube and then you can try to convince Bioware to nerf the entire game, or you can just learn to deal with it.  This isn't rage this is someone who thinks it is insane that people think they have the right to tell people how to spend their time playing a game THEY paid for.

Another Edit: I highly recommend you do what I have done, make some friends.  We don't camp, we don't farm, we do speed runs, discuss build and character team makeups, and run around like lunatics while we massacre Gold.  Before you know it you have 30+ people on your friends list and the game only accommidates 4, your friends meet each other and become friends, and everyone always has 3 competent and fun people to play with.

Firebase hydra/reapers is actually easier than vs. cerberus xD. as the cannibals are less happy about throwing nades out.

[whateverman7]

OP has a point....even though there are other ways to farm, most farmers stuck with fbw/g/g...which kept it contained for the most part, to 1 map/faction.....if bw changes that and makes it harder, all it'll do is cause those farmers to find other ways to farm on other maps/factions, which affects others.....cause now you might not know it's a farm game until you're already in it; where as you could tell from the setup (fbw/g/g) that it was a farm game and could choose to leave before starting...

[D4rk50ul808]

WaffleCrab wrote...

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

Guess what. Half of the people who complain about farming are the ones who stink it up in my random random gold games. Who cares what people do it doesn't affect you AT ALL, except that you have an ego and seeing someone leveling/gaining weapons faster than you somehow makes you rage. Get over it and get better. The last thing I want is for all those people to start joining my games because they can't use their strategy anymore. I thought the XP increase for random was a good enough fix to the problem, but apparently when mobs of trolls get together the only acceptable outcome is fire and brimstone.

Every map is a farm fest at the current difficulty level, hell most of the better players have resorted to creating challenges to keep it interesting. If some guy wants to farm using an easy strategy so he can get a gun that he saw someone using more power to him, its his free time to waste.

EDIT: Try fixing this one trolls.

Firebase Glacier / Geth

Setup in the downstairs area with two behind the right side counter, salarian engineer on the left side L putting decoy directly in the middle of the ramp down.  One player roams back and forth.  The ammo box is situated right between you and you cannot be flanked, a million times safer than FBW.  Hack objective in lower hall just put decoy on landing pad, have someone at small counter to the opposite side to grab the incoming gethtards.  Hack at the top put decoy in main room while using small corner counter as cover, rest of team covers landing pad.

Firebase Giant / Geth/Cerberus

Hold down the landing zone area.  One person (hunter mode helps) watches the room with the ladder straight ahead of where you land, engineer in middle cover with decoy in the middle of openings, other two grab cover behind him and blast everything.   Cannot be flanked and ammo is a safe zone.

Firebase Hydra / Geth/Cerberus

Hold down the control room (blue orb) with one person watching the back, engineer decoy in the front and two people behind center console to focus fire.  Easy.

Firebase Ghost / Any

Hold down the very back area with the ammo box in the corner of the room next to a ladder.  Two people outside to the left behind the L shaped cover, decoy in middle of room between ladder/hall/stairs, engineer + 1 hold down that area.

Firebase Condor / Geth/Cerberus

From landing area have engineer go left and take cover next to ammo box placing decoy in middle of path.  One teammate remains near entrance to landing pad to shoot both directions, 2 teammates use bunker to the right as you exit landing area.  Watch the top bunker with a sniper, easy.

Firebase Dagger / Geth/Cerberus

One player is at ammo box opposite of the one behind the circular room, aiming down into the open area in the middle.  One player on each of the left/right halls with one in the middle windows.  Camp and win.

Firebase Reactor / Geth/Cerberus

Head to the opposite side of the map.  2 People take cover looking down the reactor core, engineer is to the left in front of the ammo box with decoy centered between ramp up and walkway to the left.  Take appropriate cover and destroy.



Did I miss any?  I can find someone to make videos so that everyone can look them up on youtube and then you can try to convince Bioware to nerf the entire game, or you can just learn to deal with it.  This isn't rage this is someone who thinks it is insane that people think they have the right to tell people how to spend their time playing a game THEY paid for.

Another Edit: I highly recommend you do what I have done, make some friends.  We don't camp, we don't farm, we do speed runs, discuss build and character team makeups, and run around like lunatics while we massacre Gold.  Before you know it you have 30+ people on your friends list and the game only accommidates 4, your friends meet each other and become friends, and everyone always has 3 competent and fun people to play with.

Firebase hydra/reapers is actually easier than vs. cerberus xD. as the cannibals are less happy about throwing nades out.

Yeah Reapers are easier in general tbh but most people don't know how to play them if all they do is farm Geth so I wrote the instructions based on using a decoy.   You can consistantly run 16-20 minute glacier cerberus runs for farming as well if you know the setup but thats a bit more coordinated than just sitting behind a decoy.  Either way enjoy farming all the maps guys!