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Will Bioware ever have a non white default lead character?


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Nyoka wrote...

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All the characters are white?:whistle:

I agree, they should stop forcing diversity just for the sake of diversity and establish uniformity, ie, make all the characters black.


Let's take it a step further. To REALLY get rid of all diversity, we should fuse all organics and synthetics, to make every organism a hybrid of both. A synthesis, if you will.

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Well, considering the vast, vast majority of Bioware's customer base is white, I seriously doubt it.

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The problem with forcing diversity is that the character may becaome a stereotype with ease.

Only if the writer is an idiot and/or is literally incapable of creating characters without resorting to racial stereotypes.

I mean, honestly. So you sit down to write a character. He has a big family, tends to sometimes be aggressively competitive, and acts rashly on occasion.You also decide to make him black.

So because he's black, should you make him have five baby mommas with three children each, a drug dealer who's constantly fighting for more turf, and a person who tends to pull a gat and shoot people without thinking? I don't think so. No one is that incompetent.

If you can write a good character, you can write a good character--regardless of what he or she looks like.

I know that that why I said they need to write based on good character first , not ethicity...Look  at the movie"The help" and you have a great example of get characters who are ethnic  but not force into a stariotype.

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Siansonea II wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
All the characters are white?:whistle:

I agree, they should stop forcing diversity just for the sake of diversity and establish uniformity, ie, make all the characters black.


Let's take it a step further. To REALLY get rid of all diversity, we should fuse all organics and synthetics, to make every organism a hybrid of both. A synthesis, if you will.

"You let them implant you....Are you insane!?"
Shepard-ME1.

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dreman9999 wrote...

"You let them implant you....Are you insane!?"
Shepard-ME1.

"...I don't know."

- Shepard, ME3.

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Siansonea II wrote...

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Diversity for the sake of diversity is kind of stupid.


Wait, what?

Diversity (a good thing) for the sake of diversity (again, a good thing) is "kind of stupid"? Something tells me you're male, and white.


Something tells me your black and American.

Oh, i forgot, in our society you can only be racist and stereotypical of white males. We sure are the priveledged bunch, aren't we?

Diversity for the sake of diversity is garbage. When game makers start trying to make games to represent every niche out there, the game seizes to show any form of versimilitude. 

If we followed this path, TW2 would have a 12 year old Asian girl with mild autism and a repressed want to be a male as the protagonist. It represents many a person, but does it make any form of sense in the setting? **** no.

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i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

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Wait a second...

Why would a non-white character not appeal to whites?

Because white people prefer white characters.

Nice simple minded thinking you have there....

The numbers don't lie, nor does the effectiveness of marketing.  You won't suceed in making me feel bad, no matter how hard you try.

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Something tells me your black and American.

Oh, i forgot, in our society you can only be racist and stereotypical of white males. We sure are the priveledged bunch, aren't we?

Diversity for the sake of diversity is garbage. When game makers start trying to make games to represent every niche out there, the game seizes to show any form of versimilitude. 

If we followed this path, TW2 would have a 12 year old Asian girl with mild autism and a repressed want to be a male as the protagonist. It represents many a person, but does it make any form of sense in the setting? **** no. 

Again, literally one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 16 mai 2012 - 04:30 .


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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Rombomm wrote...

Diversity for the sake of diversity is kind of stupid.


Wait, what?

Diversity (a good thing) for the sake of diversity (again, a good thing) is "kind of stupid"? Something tells me you're male, and white.


Something tells me your black and American.

Oh, i forgot, in our society you can only be racist and stereotypical of white males. We sure are the priveledged bunch, aren't we?

Diversity for the sake of diversity is garbage. When game makers start trying to make games to represent every niche out there, the game seizes to show any form of versimilitude. 

If we followed this path, TW2 would have a 12 year old Asian girl with mild autism and a repressed want to be a male as the protagonist. It represents many a person, but does it make any form of sense in the setting? **** no.

.....Why do you this every black person want's forces deversity?....I don't.

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Rombomm wrote...

Diversity for the sake of diversity is kind of stupid.


This.

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White guilt hasn't conquered Bioware yet

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Darth Malice113 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

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Get rid of "default" characters altogether, I say. Pick from a selection of defaults, rather than a single one. Problem solved. For marketing, make this feature a SELLING POINT. I have never seen any BioWare advertising that demonstrated the character customization, and it was a huge draw for me. When you need to show cutscenes featuring the player character, make multiple versions and put them all in rotation.

Somebody is still going to be on the box art.

Not if they not to put someone on it. They could have just put an N7 or a Reaper or something on it.

Would this be a good idea?  Maybe, maybe not.

It would be unconventional for sure, but it's the sort of thing that shouldn't be overdone.

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sw04ca wrote...

It would be unconventional for sure, but it's the sort of thing that shouldn't be overdone.

The N7 box that the (last two) Collector's Editions came in are a sight more attractive than the standard covers. ME2's was just hideous beyond words, and ME3's was boring and overplayed.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 16 mai 2012 - 04:37 .


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What is wrong with being caucasian? Stop persecuting white people.

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Don't know if someone already posted this, but we as a community had a chance to make default femshep non white, and the red haired white one got chosen, so... majority of femsheps are red head white girls?

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acefjom wrote...

What is wrong with being caucasian? Stop persecuting white people.

We'll stop it once you give the indians and mexicans their land back.=]

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Kungfu Nando wrote...

Don't know if someone already posted this, but we as a community had a chance to make default femshep non white, and the red haired white one got chosen, so... majority of femsheps are red head white girls?

That is so irocnic....She was also in 2nd place, too.

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Random Jerkface wrote...

Something tells me your black and American.

Oh, i forgot, in our society you can only be racist and stereotypical of white males. We sure are the priveledged bunch, aren't we?

Diversity for the sake of diversity is garbage. When game makers start trying to make games to represent every niche out there, the game seizes to show any form of versimilitude. 

If we followed this path, TW2 would have a 12 year old Asian girl with mild autism and a repressed want to be a male as the protagonist. It represents many a person, but does it make any form of sense in the setting? **** no. 

Again, literally one of the stupidest things I have ever read.


*A point has been made*

*You're dumb*

I love people like you.

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Siansonea II wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
All the characters are white?:whistle:

I agree, they should stop forcing diversity just for the sake of diversity and establish uniformity, ie, make all the characters black.


Let's take it a step further. To REALLY get rid of all diversity, we should fuse all organics and synthetics, to make every organism a hybrid of both. A synthesis, if you will.


No, cause that would be a ridiculously insane idea that no one should even attempt.

Seriously, who would be stupid enough to do that?....:bandit:

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What about ME3's marketing?

Female Shepard has become just as much the face of Mass Effect as the "white bald marine" now.

In the last part of the trilogy and after years of fans asking for her to be featured more.


Okay, so people wanted change and it eventually happened, and yet people still aren't happy?

That's the impression I get from you.

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wraithofblades wrote...

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They can and have. Jade Empire.

Regardless, I agree that diversity is a worthy goal.


This. Why does everyone forget about Jade Empire?

And let's not forget BioWare made a Sonic game.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 16 mai 2012 - 04:45 .


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sw04ca wrote...

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...
Wait a second...

Why would a non-white character not appeal to whites?

Because white people prefer white characters.

Nice simple minded thinking you have there....

The numbers don't lie, nor does the effectiveness of marketing.  You won't suceed in making me feel bad, no matter how hard you try.


You are on the wrong side of things, so why would I care if you feel bad or not...

And no one, including you, answered my question.  If you can create your Shep any way you want, then it shouldn't matter if the default was black, white, etc, or the Shepard on the box was black or white, etc.  That's the excuse being used when the OP asked his question.  But one does matter b/c it appeals to the "majority".  Why is that?

Moral relativism as it's finest...

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dreman9999 wrote...

acefjom wrote...

What is wrong with being caucasian? Stop persecuting white people.

We'll stop it once you give the indians and mexicans their land back.=]


So basically you're talking about North Americans with that attempt at trolling.

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Okay so based on the games I’ve played this is what i’ve come up with

KOTOR - Main character- Revan ; Portrayed as white guy in commercial, no in game default; canonized as a white male in swtor (Jedi exile also canonized as white female)

Mass Effect Series- Main character - Commander Shepard - Default Shepard in demos, box art, promotional trailers etc.same white guy. (Apparently default white female shepard is used in some advertisements for ME3)

Dragon Age Origins - Main Character - Grey Warden; white male warrior is the default warden used in the Sacred Ashes promotional trailer. No in game default warden

Dragon Age 2 - Main Character - Hawke ; Bearded white male used in promotional trailer and various promotional material; Default in game male and female hawke = white

So yeah “white guy” clearly seems to be the go to default for the most part but to be fair it’s not like it’s just Bioware. In game characters are customizable but it just seems like the message is “Seriously though at the end of the day this is what the character really looks like *presents white person*” This is consistent with how various characters turn out when given a canon appearance e.g. Revan, Jedi Exile, Jaden Korr. All customizable characters in game but canonically white. I guess it’s just one of those things. I wouldn’t be bothered if they decided to mix things up every once and awhile.

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*A point has been made*

*You're dumb*

I love people like you.

You didn't make a point. What you said was, "If we have non-white protagonists, then everyone would have to be autistic, trans, 12-year-old East Asian girls."

I didn't feel as if I needed to point out to you why that was ridiculous.