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[sw04ca]

Random Jerkface wrote...

sw04ca wrote...
It would be unconventional for sure, but it's the sort of thing that shouldn't be overdone.

The N7 box that the (last two) Collector's Editions came in are a sight more attractive than the standard covers. ME2's was just hideous beyond words, and ME3's was boring and overplayed.

They were nice because they were different.  If everybody starts putting out box art that doesn't introduce you to the characters or give you a sense of what the game is about, that's going to get old in a hurry.

[shepskisaac]

Volumes wrote...

Okay, so people wanted change and it eventually happened, and yet people still aren't happy?

That's the impression I get from you.

I'm very happy it changed but that doesn't change the fact that it's obvious how marketing influenced the way default Shep looks like. Things are constantly changing but bald white marines are still dominating character design in western AAA titles. Just because FemShep got advertised in ME3 doesn't mean "yep, it's done, the industry is totally non-biased anymore!".

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 mai 2012 - 04:51 .

[Grimwick]

Nope, and this isn't really a problem. The largest gaming base is white male so I see absolutely no reason to change.

You can make your character non-white if you so wish.

[Siansonea]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Rombomm wrote...

Diversity for the sake of diversity is kind of stupid.

Wait, what?

Diversity (a good thing) for the sake of diversity (again, a good thing) is "kind of stupid"? Something tells me you're male, and white.

Something tells me your black and American.

Oh, i forgot, in our society you can only be racist and stereotypical of white males. We sure are the priveledged bunch, aren't we?

Diversity for the sake of diversity is garbage. When game makers start trying to make games to represent every niche out there, the game seizes to show any form of versimilitude. 

If we followed this path, TW2 would have a 12 year old Asian girl with mild autism and a repressed want to be a male as the protagonist. It represents many a person, but does it make any form of sense in the setting? **** no.

Actually, I am American, but I'm not black. I'm as white as it gets, my ancestry is Scottish and German. White, meet bread.

And personally, I think you're perpetrating a false analogy, and a false conclusion. You know it, and I know it, and you're just trying to rationalize your own disdain for "diversity" because you think it's a dirty word. No one is asking for stereotypes or anything like that, but it gives your argument a lot more pep to assume that we are, doesn't it? Hyperbole is fun, but you're using it to "prove" something that is patently ridiculous, that diversity in and of itself cannot be implemented well, and that attempts at diversity will always result in extremely stupid ideas.

Interestingly, there is a young autistic girl in the ME canon, and she was characterized well until bad writers (who can't read, apparently) got hold of the character. Writing is the key.

[What a Succulent Ass]

sw04ca wrote...

They were nice because they were different.  If everybody starts putting out box art that doesn't introduce you to the characters or give you a sense of what the game is about, that's going to get old in a hurry.

Well, yeah, but I meant just from the perspective of design. Minimalism goes a long way. I'm not, of course, saying that all covers should be that way, but they don't all have to be either a simple logo or an action hero splashed in teal and orange. 

[DiebytheSword]

I agree with Rombomm and Eternal Ambiguity.

Ah content of character, how much more you matter than letting the character be defined by race and skin color.

You know, calls for diversity are calls for division, cataloguing people by their "kind". I'd prefer that the character continue to be definable, and that the character be the thing of substance, not what he or she looks like. I'm willing to bet that people who complain about having not having females are the ones who complain that the females are oversexualized when they appear. Guess why? You define them as women, instead of strong characters who happen to be women.

I'm a hispanic/native american/white mix. I'm plenty diverse. Where is my representation?! I demand a character that is Mayan, Spanish, Guatemalan, French, German, Italian, Austrian, and Argentine, otherwise I feel my ethnic background is being ignored.

Seriously, that is a mindset that continues to set the movement back. When we're all humans and not a set of genitals or pigment level then we can get past this whole race/sex thing and put it in the distant past where it belongs.

[Landon7001]

This is kind of a stupid topic....YOU CAN MAKE SHEPPARD WHATEVER RACE OR ANYHTING ELSE YOU WANT

[Naughty Bear]

greghorvath wrote...

This is pathetic. Whatever difference does it make what color the protagonist is? And especially when you can change it to whatever you want?

This.

As longas the character is a decent one, i'm game.

As a mixed race male, i don't care.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 16 mai 2012 - 07:04 .

[Landon7001]

things like affirmative action among other initiatives for diversiys sake is sometimes needed and neccesary...look at the way this country was before......were finally starting to ditch the blood stained hypocrisy and live up to the phrase "liberty and justice for all"....in some cases, maybe alot, there is a lack of diversity due to bias towards the familar and prejudice, conscious or not therefore diversity for diversitys sake is a good thing.....but too much of any thing is bad and anything can go wrong

[Smugglers Luck]

Sigh...I knew someone was going to bring this up eventually.

The great thing about Mass Effect and Dragon Age is that you can make your characters whatever gender/sex/race you want. Did you not pay attention?

[Gotholhorakh]

TBH the character creatora allow almost everyone, of all colours and both sexes, to create someone who looks a bit like them, which is awesome, and BioWare are just about the most inclusive studio on the planet, which is also excellent.

As for people who go around looking for reasons to be offended or to call BioWare whateverist when they know it's a lie, stuff them.

Random Jerkface wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

*A point has been made*

*You're dumb*

I love people like you.

I didn't feel as if I needed to point out to you why that was ridiculous.

Hmm. I guess when someone makes a point in response to something you said, just saying "you're stupid/your post is stupid lol" is how non-ridiculous conversation rolls.

<_<

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 16 mai 2012 - 07:40 .

[AlanC9]

IsaacShep wrote...
I'm very happy it changed but that doesn't change the fact that it's obvious how marketing influenced the way default Shep looks like. 

It might be a bit more accurate to say that without marketing there wouldn't be any defalt Shep.

[Tibullus]

Tazzmission wrote...

well to be fair though i wouldnt mind being able to change the voice


instead of just meer ( who i love btw) but give us the option of additional voices to selct for our shepards

I would like this as well.  Although it would be quite an undertaking to include that option, it would be nice in future games of this style.  I think that an Imperial officer-style British accent would have suited some Shepards well, although not the default one.  Either that, or a slightly deeper voice with more gravitas.  The voice acting for  Anderson and Zaeed sounded better than that for the male Shepard, in my opinion.

On topic:
The OP's complaint is baseless.  One can change the appearance of the main character in all the ME games to whatever one desires.  Note that none of the NPCs in the game treat the main character any differently based on his/her appearance, a fact I found a little disappointing, as my Shepard looked rather different between ME2 and 3 (I changed his hair colour from black to iron grey).  The dialogue with non-LI NPCs barely varies even with Shepard's gender.  There are a few occasions in which FemShep is called 'Sir' in ME3.

The majority of the people who play these games are white, so the default character used for the marketing would be someone to whom they can relate most easily.  Better that than having a nonwhite character who is a somewhat of a caricature of his or her ethnicity, cf. Jacob Taylor, James Vega; and Khalisa bint-Sinan al-Jilani, and Emily Wong.

Modifié par Tibullus, 16 mai 2012 - 08:44 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Hmm. I guess when someone makes a point in response to something you said, just saying "you're stupid/your post is stupid lol" is how non-ridiculous conversation rolls.

<_<

And you really think that post followed logically? 

All three of us know it didn't.

[Cainne Chapel]

Diversity in and of itself is not a bad thing. Showcasing more and differing types or races/religions/creeds/colors/etc/etc is a good thing.

IF done right. thats the keyword here, TV now a days i find enjoyable because of the diversity of cast members in the shows I watch, thats always a good thing and to me, isn't necessarily devisive. after all there ARE 6 billion people in this world and none of them are necessarily going to be alike.

So what if it takes one out of his comfort zone? Big deal, diversity is a part of our everyday lives... especially if you live in an urban environment.

Personally I dont care either way, but it is nice to see more diversity in entertainment these days.

[aj2070]

RetroActiv wrote...

Whether male or female the default lead protagonist always been portrayed as white  in Bioware's games. To my knowledge this is all we've ever seen represented when it comes to advertisements and promotional trailers as well as the in game default characters.  Do you think this will ever change or that it even should? Personally I'd like for Bioware to decide one of these days to have their default lead protagonists portrayed as something other than white male/white female. It's not a huge deal to me or anything but  It's just one of those things you can't help but notice over the years. I don't expect this to be a very popular thread  topic but hopefully it will be handled maturely. Thoughts?

Tempest in a teapot anyone?  As others have said, Bioware does not expressly write "white" characters.  For starters, there is the previously mentioned "Jade Empire", an Asian game with an asian progagonist.  If I am not mistaken, both KOTOR games (yes one wasn't "BioWare") allowed you to select a skin tone for your character.  Shepard can be any race a player wants in the Mass Effect franchise.  Finally, in "The Old Republic", you can even pick alien races.  Does it really bother you that much that a caucasian is the "poster child" for the franchise?  I can think of more things to worry about.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

People who look at the color of someone's skin first are the true racist, even if it is to supposely seek equality between colors.

[The Almighty Ali]

Most of their games let you customize your own character.

[Gruntburner]

Since when did a canadian accent make you white?

[rolson00]

Random Jerkface wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

in games i like haveing a black guy as a party member and comrade but i wouldnt play as one.

Why not?

hes not being simple minded just saying as it is white people like playing as white charectar just as im sure black peeps play as balck peeps.

"Black peeps" don't often get a chance to play black characters (especially ones that aren't stereotyped bullsh*ts), so their preference is really irrelevant.

1st point im a white guy
2nd point fallout 3 and fallout new vegas mass effect 1,2&3 da1&2  all of the sim games and kingdom of amalur reckoning all of these games you can create and play as a black guy a also soul calibur 3 &4 and conflict denied ops a shooter has two playable chars 1 of which is black theres loads of games so i rather think their preference is relevant

Modifié par rolson00, 16 mai 2012 - 11:13 .

[PhillyB702]

The adventures of Black Shepard: www.youtube.com/watch

[dmonorato]

Really, Really???? All the other things about this game to complain about you have to pick that.......

[mupp3tz]

I don't think it's a Bioware problem.. it's a society problem. You don't find many non-white leads in Western mainstream media. When you do have a non-white lead, they usually act under white norms.

Also, Bioware has had a non-white lead: Jade Empire.