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[DeinonSlayer]

You can cycle through a number of default appearances, you know... Sheploo (based on that Dutch model) isn't the only one.

[darksider55]

RadioKon wrote...

They're Canadian. They work with what they know best, e.g. white people over Hispanic, Asian, or African people. I see no problem.

I'm Canadian and i'm black so what the hell are you talking about??? know best.. where the hell r you from?? because you obviously don't know Canada.

Modifié par darksider55, 17 mai 2012 - 02:57 .

[s17tabris]

Siansonea II wrote...

Get rid of "default" characters altogether, I say. Pick from a selection of defaults, rather than a single one. Problem solved. For marketing, make this feature a SELLING POINT. I have never seen any BioWare advertising that demonstrated the character customization, and it was a huge draw for me. When you need to show cutscenes featuring the player character, make multiple versions and put them all in rotation.

It's a good idea if they're gonna be marketing the game as an RPG.  In ME's case, it seems to me that Bioware was trying to appeal to the shooter crowd where generic white male space marine #309 might be the norm.

[darksider55]

Smugglers Luck wrote...

Sigh...I knew someone was going to bring this up eventually.

The great thing about Mass Effect and Dragon Age is that you can make your characters whatever gender/sex/race you want. Did you not pay attention?

Yes you can make your character what ever ethnictisty you want..but the question remains why does the the default have to be white...why can't the default be hipanic/black/asian and you change it to a white person..why can't it be that way???

[darksider55]

rolson00 wrote...

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...
Wait a second...

Why would a non-white character not appeal to whites?

Because white people prefer white characters.

Nice simple minded thinking you have there....

in games i like haveing a black guy as a party member and comrade but i wouldnt play as one.
hes not being simple minded just saying as it is white people like playing as white charectar just as im sure black peeps play as balck peeps.

the only thing that is simple minded is how you are wording your piont.. people play the character they identify with,noting wrong with that.

[Ahglock]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Hmm. I guess when someone makes a point in response to something you said, just saying "you're stupid/your post is stupid lol" is how non-ridiculous conversation rolls.

<_<

And you really think that post followed logically? 

All three of us know it didn't.

Um he repeated a racist sterotype with basically the same racist sterorype but flipped the race as an illustraion about the other posters racism, and then he used a hyperbolic illustration to illustrate that diversity should come from contextually apropriate events instead of a forced you must have X number of blacks, asians and I'd say Hispanics but they are kind of the forgotton race in popular media unless it is a story involving gangs.  I'm not exactly sure what was hard to follow about it.  You might disagree and think diversity trumps all, or that you can always find a way to insert diversity in a contexually apporpriate way but that is different than just not understaniding the point and dismissing it as foolish.  

[Ahglock]

darksider55 wrote...

Smugglers Luck wrote...

Sigh...I knew someone was going to bring this up eventually.

The great thing about Mass Effect and Dragon Age is that you can make your characters whatever gender/sex/race you want. Did you not pay attention?

Yes you can make your character what ever ethnictisty you want..but the question remains why does the the default have to be white...why can't the default be hipanic/black/asian and you change it to a white person..why can't it be that way???

I am sure it could if marketing group thought it would sell more copies, and hell in ME shep is not supposed to be white he is the generic mixed race of the future where all races have blended.  As long as I can customize my character I don't care what the default is or even if there is a default.  I'm irritated with diablo 3 becaus the most ineresting character is a palsy ridden geriatric.  I don't want to play somone in their last stages of parkinsons disease I've seen enough of that in real life to depress me for a good long time why the eff do I want to see it in a game.  

[What a Succulent Ass]

Um he repeated a racist sterotype with basically the same racist sterorype

No.

[F00lishG]

 This is just like the complaining over the female lead when they were going to make her blonde. Bioware has said many times that each person's Shep is canon. so if your Shep is black, who cares about others? who cares about the default lead? It shouldn't matter.

[Rodia Driftwood]

Oh, not the race topic..


*opens his umbrella*

[Darth Malice113]

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

Oh, not the race topic..


*opens his umbrella*

Come with me, I just got a new toaster.

We could make and eat toast while we wait out this storm.

[Tazzmission]

 how ya doing fella?


made this and its irish btw



i also made one based on rapper 2pac shakur and will post a photo soon of him

[Eromenos]

Do not wait for games that are "specifically non-white" like JE in order to cast a lead that isn't white.

ME was supposedly big on diversity, and all things considered it was often "better" at handling the race aspect than DAO was. Doesn't mean that ME gets a pass, though. BioWare could have and still needs to intentionally cast poster-protagonists for us that are not white, not male, not hetero, and not token jokes like the tween artwork for FShep was. Any combination that does break these patterns still needs to be human for it to not be just a cop-out appeasement for dudebros.

Modifié par Eromenos, 17 mai 2012 - 05:37 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

Why ...................oh why do people make threads like these........

[Asebstos]

What I'm understanding is that  'Shepard' should have been, by default, a faceless mook like the image of the guy (?) in the 'multiplayer manifest' box to the left.

Seems a little old school.

http://tvtropes.org/...lessProtagonist 

[TiminatorT2000]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I don't think it's a Bioware problem.. it's a society problem. You don't find many non-white leads in Western mainstream media. When you do have a non-white lead, they usually act under white norms.

Also, Bioware has had a non-white lead: Jade Empire.

Well that's because the west is primarily European, in Africa I'd expect most people in media to be African , in Asia I would expect most of to be Asain, And in europe and north america I would expect most people in media to be European.(due to the genocide native americans)

Although technically in ME there's no cannon shepard ,whatever shepard you make is cannon.

[Bogsnot]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...
Although technically in ME there's no cannon shepard ,whatever shepard you make is cannon.

This man speaks wisely.

Even if there wasnt a "default", and instead gave you a list of various racial looks, there would still be the whingers who would claim the devs are racist because their particular genetic strain isnt listed in position 1.
Or they would whinge about having to "waste" time picking a look and not being able to get right into the action.
Or they cant get the type of cool facial scar they want.
Or not enough hair/beard/makeup options.
Or that you cant make a tranvestite hero in womans armour.

...and so on.

[Applepie_Svk]

O maj gaad .... so they will create 10 trailers and 20 default profiles to please everyone - it is reason why we have character creator - I used creator almost everytime since ME1 for customization and I don´t care how looks default Sheps.

[Camthalon]

devSin wrote...

They can and have. Jade Empire.

Regardless, I agree that diversity is a worthy goal.

It can be, so long as it's not diversity for diversity's sake.  If there's a logical reason for it/the character is specifically designed around that concept?  Great!  If not?  It'll feel like a PC move and come out flat.

[Lucky Mame]

Wasn't there a chance for female Shep to be black as a default in ME3. They had this competition where fans could vote their favourite FemShep model to be the promotional/default one. And I believe there was at least one black one.